Sydney: Is The Party Over?

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This week an article in the Daily Telegraph proclaimed that ‘Oxford Street is straight’, that ‘straight’ venues now outnumber the gay ones, and that The Gaff is hosting the ‘straightest’ ritual of them all – a wet t-shirt competition. Few would dispute that the strip, and gay Sydney for that matter, has changed radically in recent years. So as a scene and a community, where are we at? Is the party almost over?

It’s the morning after Sydney Leather Pride’s annual fundraiser Inquisition and many have continued on to the official after party at Phoenix Rising. It was the first year that Inquisition had ventured away from the glamorous, gentrified Entertainment Quarter – a brave move in a new direction that many supported. But while the party tickets sold out, the comments floating around the dancefloor tell a different story.

“The cops came with dogs and stayed for hours, people were getting arrested.” “The venue refused to turn the lights down.” “For a leather party it was sexless.” “I didn’t like the music.” “There were too many straight people.”

A leather clad woman furiously sips on her drink.

“I am tired of going out and having men put their hands up my skirt,” she tells me, introducing herself as Jen. “I know I have long hair, but hello – I’m a lesbian! I’m not interested! I’m tired of putting up with this every time I go out. Is this just a place for the straights to come and experiment? This used to be ours!”

True, it used to be. But so much has changed in such a short amount of time. The internet came and took a chunk of the scene away, and through their sponsorship of Mardi Gras online sex sites like Gaydar were handed to gay Sydney on a silver platter. The scene, particularly Mardi Gras, became increasingly commercial, which meant money came first and politics second. The scene, awash with straight girls, in turn attracted all the straight boys, and as homophobic violence and aggression on Oxford Street rose, along with police numbers, the strip became an increasingly unpleasant place to be.

“I don’t think Oxford Street caters well to anyone,” says Damien Eames, head of Marketing at New Mardi Gras. “I rarely go there anymore… Sydney’s mix of planning controls and liquor licensing restrictions means there are very few high intensity night life districts. There are only so many venues that can be crammed into Kings Cross, Oxford Street and George Street. The market isn’t really that competitive and as a result venues can treat their customers as cattle.”

Eames grew up in Belfast and says that when he went back home last Christmas, he couldn’t believe how many cute little gay venues had popped up there. “This conservative provincial city of 300,000 compares favourably with Sydney, but there’s no comparison when you look at London, Paris, Berlin or Madrid. I don’t think my friends in London are quite so addicted to Gaydar and Manhunt as people are here. It’s not a great city for meeting new people.”

“It feels gay people are outnumbered on the strip,” says promoter and DJ Dan Murphy. “Often the bulk of the people who aren’t there to go gay clubbing are rough and intimidating. They definitely have an overwhelming presence on Oxford St.”

“I have travelled extensively and always visit the gay areas and clubs,” says Glenn Hansen, Promotions and Marketing Manager at Stonewall. “A lot of clubs in America and London have become mixed. The hardest thing is the law because when it comes to who we let in our clubs, we cannot discriminate. I think this is where the problems started to occur. Straight guys hated going to gay clubs – now they enjoy it.”

Kooky promoter and DJ Seymour Butz is much more optimistic. “We have safe streets, great weather, lovely beaches, hot men and good health care. There are gay ghettos with drunk gawking straights everywhere in the world!”

While he cites Phoenix, The Flinders and Kens On Kensington as his favourite places to go in the East, he believes that there’s been a geographic shift back to the inner-west.

“[The pubs in Erskineville] are way friendlier and cheaper than Stonewall and last weekend saw Inquisition, Kooky and Manacle have the most vibrant and eclectic gay events all happen in the inner west,” says Butz. “Walk down any street and we gays are ubiquitous in Sydney. Come weekends the beaches, parks, restaurants, bars and backrooms are always full. The fact that we have no ‘official’ gay bar in Newtown has more to do with a golden opportunity waiting than lack of clientele or community. The most dynamic ‘alterna’ gay events like BadDog, Kooky or Scooter all happen in the inner-west. The Red Rattler is an amazing venue with a queer focus. Here’s to more and more!”

“Sydney has the potential to be a world leader when it comes to gay culture,” says Murphy. “But without some effort our title of being a gay destination could easily be lost. As it is, Sydney is a great holiday destination whether you’re gay or not, but to make it a must-go gay holiday destination is going to take some work. There has been a lot of speculation as to why gay spaces have dwindled, with no conclusive answer. What we do know for sure is that there are a huge number of us living here, but just not so many going out anymore.”

So what’s the missing ingredient?

“It’s not so much that gay Sydney is missing something, it’s that it has too much,” says Daniel, 40. “There are too many events competing, too much media for its size, too many sex websites and far too many men hooked up to them. There’s so much that there is nothing at all. There’s no longer a sense of courage and active exploration in defining what, who, and most importantly why we are the way we are. I believe that’s what the gay movement should be about, not the pursuit of middle class comfort and jacking off on Gaydar.”

Eames thinks that something has to give, and that Sydney needs a new gay village. “That’s what happens elsewhere. The gays move on to somewhere new and make it cool. Unfortunately Sydney makes this hard, with far too much emphasis placed on residents and not enough on the positives of having multiple centres of nightlife activity. Newtown practically closes down at midnight. Glebe could be a fun place if you could open a late bar there, but these possibilities just aren’t there. We may need to be creative and inhabit some quite industrial areas if we want spaces where we can make some noise and not have to deal with drunken straight kids.”

But is gay Sydney ready to move away from our gentrified inner-city neighbourhoods? Stuart Fraser co-owns The Clarence Hotel in Petersham, which houses Manacle, Sydney’s only leather bar. They made the decision to move away from the strip back in 2007, and he said the resounding negative that they hear is that Petersham is too far away. However, it’s the same distance from the Sydney CBD as Melbourne’s leather bar The Laird is from their CBD.

“When [we moved] there were a number of factors to consider. The changing feel of Oxford St was a very small part of our decision, in spite of what many people believe. The larger part of the Oxford St equation was the abundance of venues but more so that from Sunday night through to Thursday night the majority of venues in the area were so quiet, as was the street. Real estate prices were also a consideration. One venue we considered was a leasehold hotel – the purchase price was over $2.5 million…”

Fraser said that if people want gay venues then they have to remember that those venues have massive overheads and enormous rents or mortgages. He puts it quite simply – “use it or lose it.”

Leanne Lincoln, spokesperson from the City of Sydney said that Clover Moore’s Small Bars Bill is just one part of an overall strategy to help encourage a vibrant, boutique bar scene in Sydney.

“With serious problems of alcohol-related violence and anti-social behaviour, particularly on George Street, Oxford Street and Darlinghurst Road in the inner city, the new laws also create vital new powers to stop rogue venue operators creating problems for others. The new liquor licensing regime helps to protect residential amenity, build a more civilised drinking culture and provide more opportunities for the young musicians, artists and entrepreneurs to find a niche in our city.”

Lincoln says that as of June 25 there were 6 small bars operating in the City and another 13 waiting in the wings. Pocket Bar is a hot new addition to Darlinghurst, and the Council said that they haven’t refused any DAs for small bars to date, however they do place conditions on them to minimise impact on residential amenity and protect patron safety.

But is it just about laws and location, or does it run deeper than that? When was the last time gay Sydney made a bold political statement, like marching up Oxford Street with Fred Nile’s head on a platter? Do we all just want to be entertained? Has Sydney itself become politically apathetic and conservative?

“Gay Sydney just rolled over sold out – it’s that simple,” says Daniel. “It’s all about ‘the sell’ with the emphasis on publicity spin that never, ever delivers. And despite all the exhausting efforts it’s all ‘form’ without a speck of essence, which of course is the hard edge of the bargain when you sell your soul. When New Mardi Gras announce proudly about how much money they’ve made for the state and how pleased the government is, I find that extremely devaluing. Our worth is purely about the money we generate.”

Daniel thinks that when Sleaze Ball failed in 2005, New Mardi Gras should have fallen. “It would have meant no more big showground parties or a flagship event on the Events NSW master calendar, but it was a real opportunity to have the mainstream spotlight and expectations taken off of us, and we could have really grown again. What happened instead? We sold out to Gaydar, which has eroded the scene, Mardi Gras became a brand and it’s been hollow ever since.”

“It’s all about the headliners and the DJs these days,” says Jen. “I don’t give a fuck about the headliners. All the money that it raises and barely any of it goes back to the community, it all just gets poured into making the next one bigger and better! I’d love to see it all taken back to the streets.”

Karin, 40, agrees. “You know what I’d love to see for Mardi Gras one year? A silent march along Oxford Street. No glitter, no floats, no music – just the community walking together. But it’ll never happen.”

“Yes, I think Sydney is becoming more conservative and we are very much becoming a police state. I hope this will change!” says Hansen. “But the more we fight for equality the more we have to accept these changes to our venues. To be totally equal and not discriminate comes at a price. I believe the gay scene will stay strong and hopefully gay shops and restaurants will move in to all the empty shops in Oxford Street.”

“For years the gay movement pushed for acceptance – at our workplaces, by our family and friends and in everyday life in general,” says Murphy. “For a lot of people this goal has been achieved enough for them to enjoy their lives. Perhaps the goal-posts need to be moved and new goals set? Is it fair that what was once a safe street we could call our own is now full of aggression and we often don’t feel welcome there? Is it fair that we don’t have equal rights under Australian law? Is it fair to say gay people aren’t going out to gay venues anymore because they don’t feel there’s anything that exciting drawing them there? Is it fair to say that as a community on the whole, we’re not really doing that much about it? That sounds pretty conservative and non-political to me.”

“Our cowardly Labor government has been a huge let down to us as a community and we have a police commissioner from Hillsong,” says Butz. “Still, we don’t get killed for being gay. One day we’ll be allowed to get married or drink a beer and get a head-job simultaneously.”

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TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 24th Aug, 2009

the way i look at it, if the concept of gay only space is nauseating, then you don't need to go there. however, there is a portion of the community who want this kind of space, and they should be allowed to have that without being judged.

just like the other day when i went to the gay marriage rally - the thought of it makes my skin crawl, but i went to support the rest of the community who DO want it.

well I didnt mean for anything to come across like that ?

Cause we need our gay only spaces but I could also understand JimJazz post and
see Eurolads side.

It was also a different story 20-30 years ago as gays lived in and around the Oxford St and there was only Oxford St.

Fastforward to now and gays live all over Sydney. I was in King St, Newtown on
Friday night for dinner and it felf way safer/more comfortable than Oxford St.
The restaurant had tables of straights/gays/lesbians and no hint of any trouble.
Dont know what its like later in the night/early in the morning though.

Everything has just spread out. When I first arrived in Sydney if you wanted to go to David Jones or go see a movie just as it was released you had to come into the City.
Not now.

Seems some gays just dont need to be in a gay area anymore ( or cant afford it ) and
with that you get less patronage at the venues.

Would be great to say this place is gay so support it but put on a bad DJ or or bad night/music style or let some straights in and the venue cops the flack. They have bills to pay and if gay only clientele cant support them then they have to appeal to whoever they can get in the door.

thedevilwithin

thedevilwithin said on the 26th Aug, 2009

Hi, reading your comments got me thinking. I am 20 yrs old and have been going out to Oxford St for the last two years and have myself noticed the difference. I am speaking as a Gen Y who thinks it is essential for us to integrate, yet keep the culture.

Think of the gay community as Asians.
Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese/Thai people established their culture in Sydney, as ChinaTown down in Haymarket. Along with it came all the things we associate with that area, be it the Markets, the Yum-Cha restaurants, the Asian food, shops selling Anime and J-Pop, etc.

Asian people have spread across the suburbs and formed their own sorts of establishments there, whether it be an Asian supermarket or a trendy Japanese restaurant. This allowed the Asian community to expand and not feel like outcasts. They are mingling with the local community, and their kids are being accepted and making friends at school. Now these days, your Asian friend will probably invite you out to a Japanese restaurant and a drink at EasyWay, just the same as I invite my straight friends out to the Oxford St and a drink and dance at Stonewall. I want to share my culture with my open-minded friends.

Asian people still need a ChinaTown, where they can speak Chinese to the person opposite the counter, but just because I'm not Chinese, doesn't mean I should be treated with hostility when I go to ChinaTown of a day out, or am stocking up with ingredients I can't find at my local supermarket.

I'm not sure how good I am with my metaphors, but tell me why can't gay guys accept we're the new Chinese/Japanese (along with the broader bi/les/trans under the label Asians)?

queersmurf

queersmurf said on the 26th Aug, 2009

The abundance of negative reporting surrounding Oxford st is enough to make us gay house bound, using our pc's as security blanket to hook up on chat sites. Throw in some drugs and latest podcast music mixed by djs working in the clubs, and presto , the comfort of gay living. Whilst house bound, we continue to publicly voice opinion on how much the strip has changed , blah, blah.
In the meantime, the remaining gay venues are stuggling to compete to get the ever shrinking pink dollars of the few gays that "dared" to venture out in what some people on this forum calls the "toilet" and ghettos".
These gay venues are working harder and harder to provide exciting and new themes & entertainmnet while at the same time these house bound gay community continues to voice such words in this forum as non exciting, boring ,more of the same offering.
Pick up a copy of SSO/SX and look atthe variety of events\theme that venues offer. The more people goes into these venues, the more budget is put in for your entertainment pleasure, more work is given out to the industry, more $ is given back to charity.
There is no longer a sense of loyalty to gay venues that very much existed during the Albury days. Its a whole new generation of gay culture.
Starting a new "gay steet" is not a solution. Its a proclamation of defeat. This so called "toitet" is our street. Lets make it work.
I dont have an answer but Iknow for sure that the comfort of the house bound alternative needs to change, especially people working on our community need to at least make that effort instead of saying "I rarely go there (Oxford st)anymore.... venues treat their customers as cattle " DAMIEN EAMES - Head of marketing New MG. Which gay venues are you referring Damien?
The party is not over. Its still going and you are all invited.

queersmurf

queersmurf said on the 26th Aug, 2009

The abundance of negative reporting surrounding Oxford st is enough to make us gay house bound, using our pc's as security blanket to hook up on chat sites. Throw in some drugs and latest podcast music mixed by djs working in the clubs, and presto , the comfort of gay living. Whilst house bound, we continue to publicly voice opinion on how much the strip has changed , blah, blah.
In the meantime, the remaining gay venues are stuggling to compete to get the ever shrinking pink dollars of the few gays that "dared" to venture out in what some people on this forum calls the "toilet" and ghettos".
These gay venues are working harder and harder to provide exciting and new themes & entertainmnet while at the same time these house bound gay community continues to voice such words in this forum as non exciting, boring ,more of the same offering.
Pick up a copy of SSO/SX and look atthe variety of events\theme that venues offer. The more people goes into these venues, the more budget is put in for your entertainment pleasure, more work is given out to the industry, more $ is given back to charity.
There is no longer a sense of loyalty to gay venues that very much existed during the Albury days. Its a whole new generation of gay culture.
Starting a new "gay steet" is not a solution. Its a proclamation of defeat. This so called "toitet" is our street. Lets make it work.
I dont have an answer but Iknow for sure that the comfort of the house bound alternative needs to change, especially people working on our community need to at least make that effort instead of saying "I rarely go there (Oxford st)anymore.... venues treat their customers as cattle " DAMIEN EAMES - Head of marketing New MG. Which gay venues are you referring Damien?
The party is not over. Its still going and you are all invited!

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 26th Aug, 2009

Hi, reading your comments got me thinking. I am 20 yrs old and have been going out to Oxford St for the last two years and have myself noticed the difference. I am speaking as a Gen Y who thinks it is essential for us to integrate, yet keep the culture.

Think of the gay community as Asians.
Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese/Thai people established their culture in Sydney, as ChinaTown down in Haymarket. Along with it came all the things we associate with that area, be it the Markets, the Yum-Cha restaurants, the Asian food, shops selling Anime and J-Pop, etc.

Asian people have spread across the suburbs and formed their own sorts of establishments there, whether it be an Asian supermarket or a trendy Japanese restaurant. This allowed the Asian community to expand and not feel like outcasts. They are mingling with the local community, and their kids are being accepted and making friends at school. Now these days, your Asian friend will probably invite you out to a Japanese restaurant and a drink at EasyWay, just the same as I invite my straight friends out to the Oxford St and a drink and dance at Stonewall. I want to share my culture with my open-minded friends.

Asian people still need a ChinaTown, where they can speak Chinese to the person opposite the counter, but just because I'm not Chinese, doesn't mean I should be treated with hostility when I go to ChinaTown of a day out, or am stocking up with ingredients I can't find at my local supermarket.

I'm not sure how good I am with my metaphors, but tell me why can't gay guys accept we're the new Chinese/Japanese (along with the broader bi/les/trans under the label Asians)?

Well I wouldnt use the metaphors thedevilwithin but its along the lines of what I was saying and I think Asherbella pointed out ie when I arrived on the Sydney scene late 70's the majority of gays lived in around Oxford St area and the only venues were in Oxford St or the side streets and a few at the Cross.

I mentioned how to see a new release movie you had to come into the City or to go to David Jones you had to move into the City.

But now we have venues outside Oxford St and gays who live in all suburbs with no real need to come to Oxford St anymore so I think thats one of the reasons its declining as the numbers are not there to support so many clubs.

Plus this generation just want to get shit faced with binge drinking or newer drugs to the scene causing all the agrro etc and the straight clubs that have opened on Oxford St and we see the way they behave.

Plus again the internet means people can hook up online instead of going to a bar to cruise.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 26th Aug, 2009

This is so depressing! I recently went on holiday in North America and Europe and let me tell you there are many gay scenes that are alive and well. Some of these countries have real gay areas that are nice both during the day and night. Cute cafes and shops during the day and funky bars and clubs and restaurants at night - all with a clearly gay and friendly vibe. If it was true what some people say that there is no need for gay areas anymore then why are so many gay holiday destinations around the world still thriving? The fact is that people like to be around other similar people.

You can't blame excessive regulation for the problems on Oxford Street. If anything it is the flexible planning laws which helped lead to this mess. Too many massive nightclubs and straight pubs (all with unlimited hours), too many fast food outlets open all night catering to the masses and too many bottle shops

Yes other countries can have great gay areas but do we have the population to support that ? as in just in the one area ?

We have Oxford St and to a point King St but with the population expanding out into the suburbs I dont know if we have the numbers to have just the one gay ghetto anymore ? And as you say Stevie all those other places opening up but its about the
$ and where the night crowd goes so do all the fast food outlets/bottle shops etc go.

I did like the feel of King St last Friday night down around the Bank Hotel area. I was waiting on friends so took a walk and seem way gay'er than Oxford St now and I liked the look of some of the cozy cafe's so will be going back to check them out when friends want to hook up for coffee.

eurolad

eurolad said on the 26th Aug, 2009

Hi, reading your comments got me thinking. I am 20 yrs old and have been going out to Oxford St for the last two years and have myself noticed the difference. I am speaking as a Gen Y who thinks it is essential for us to integrate, yet keep the culture.

Think of the gay community as Asians.
Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese/Thai people established their culture in Sydney, as ChinaTown down in Haymarket. Along with it came all the things we associate with that area, be it the Markets, the Yum-Cha restaurants, the Asian food, shops selling Anime and J-Pop, etc.

Asian people have spread across the suburbs and formed their own sorts of establishments there, whether it be an Asian supermarket or a trendy Japanese restaurant. This allowed the Asian community to expand and not feel like outcasts. They are mingling with the local community, and their kids are being accepted and making friends at school. Now these days, your Asian friend will probably invite you out to a Japanese restaurant and a drink at EasyWay, just the same as I invite my straight friends out to the Oxford St and a drink and dance at Stonewall. I want to share my culture with my open-minded friends.

Asian people still need a ChinaTown, where they can speak Chinese to the person opposite the counter, but just because I'm not Chinese, doesn't mean I should be treated with hostility when I go to ChinaTown of a day out, or am stocking up with ingredients I can't find at my local supermarket.

I'm not sure how good I am with my metaphors, but tell me why can't gay guys accept we're the new Chinese/Japanese (along with the broader bi/les/trans under the label Asians)?

I totally agree with everything you said :)

blaah

blaah said on the 27th Aug, 2009

Exactly! We are about the only community left in Sydney that no longer has their own area or space (or at least not much left!).

I was looking over Sydney Council's website today and I noticed that the Kinselas Hotel has put in a Development Application to take over the old Lure restaurant next door and turn it into a gaming and smoking lounge... basically an expansion to Kinsellas. In my opinion it is these sort of developments which have taken away all of the previous character of Oxford Street. There are at least 5 0r 6 shops on Oxford Street which were previously restaurants, cafes and clothes shops that have been taken over in recent years for pub expansions and gaming/smoking lounges. It totally ruins the feel of the area and makes daytime trade non existent

The news about Kinsellas expansion is just dreadful! This sort of change is what's stuffed Oxford street. Not only is there a lack of variety and violence typified by the spread of these sort of drinking/ gambling barns, but the because these sort of businesse are more profotable, they inevitably help to drive up rents and sqeeze out less profitable ,but more interesting businesses.

Gay visitors (together with Darlo locals) have to be prepared to fight hard against this sort of change or they might as well abandon Oxford st and find a happier enviroment to be in.

A major reason why gays left Kings' Cross in the '70's was just this sort of change and the inevitable violence that goes with it.

Brolga Blue

Brolga Blue said on the 28th Aug, 2009

There are a number of possible contributing factors.

In 2002 the footpaths along Oxford Street were repaved. This took a long time with high wire fencing etc limiting access to shopfronts resulting in the demise of several key queer and queer friendly cafe's and businesses - allowing dodgy stores and $2 shops to proliferate. Oxford Street was no longer the cultural or shopping experience that it once was - and people stayed away in droves.

Poker machine laws changed around this time allowing pubs to install these evil money stealing hypnotising machines in increasingly large numbers. Spaces previously devoted to entertainment (shows, dance, cruising, pool playing etc) were developed into gaudy vegas style 'VIP Lounges'. Opportunities for meeting and being entertained diminished.

Smoking laws changed with few venues making adequate preparations. The venues that did build smoking areas now attract day long drinking unemployed theiving drug dealers - who make the most of these facilities. Venues make money from these denisons and are reluctant to move them on. Venues are seen as profit opportunities and not pillars of the community - and are mostly heterosexually owned. The venues that built quality entertainment facilities now attract a mostly straight crowd to their shows - that they charge for.

Online hook-up sites were born providing a more attractive option for those seeking rooting activities than did chlorinated sauna's with their floors worn by the pacing of lines of men too intimidated to speak to one another.

Such sites also offered cruising without the need to hit the now diminished strip and navigate the breeders and dollygirls. Inclusion and tolerance are important but some spaces need to remain sacred and inviolate - like cemetaries, public toilets and gay bars. Sydney provides many venues that cater well for mixed crowds, but only half a dozen (if that) truely gay venues - so f..k off.

DCM closed following public outcry about the level of violence and other unmentionables festering out of this previously gay venue... and what did the backpackers and homophobes do?....... crawled up the street to the Gaff (ick!) and HAVANA - right bang next door to Stonewall - brilliant piece of council approval.

The solution? Get rid of that which attracts those that spoil the strip, like poker machines, meth dealers and idiot attracting dolly girls practicing how to wear high heels and make up. Lobby our leaders to shut down appauling venues and lobby your venues to clean up their acts....... and what about supporting the strip with shopping or going to a quality queer cafe or restaurant - oops - none left.

Brolga Blue

Brolga Blue said on the 28th Aug, 2009

Originally Posted by Stevie Boy
Exactly! We are about the only community left in Sydney that no longer has their own area or space (or at least not much left!).

I was looking over Sydney Council's website today and I noticed that the Kinselas Hotel has put in a Development Application to take over the old Lure restaurant next door and turn it into a gaming and smoking lounge... basically an expansion to Kinsellas. In my opinion it is these sort of developments which have taken away all of the previous character of Oxford Street. There are at least 5 0r 6 shops on Oxford Street which were previously restaurants, cafes and clothes shops that have been taken over in recent years for pub expansions and gaming/smoking lounges. It totally ruins the feel of the area and makes daytime trade non existent

C'mon girls - it's time for action.

Kinsella's has an application before council to expand their poker machine hypnotising franchise by taking over a cafe space next door. Link to application - http://cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Development/DAsOnExhibition/details.asp?tpk=927690

Council advises that this plan was advertised, but not in the gay press (shame). The time period for comments close today (friday 28th August 2009) and need to be send to Council Officer Philip Jamieson at - pjamieson@cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au

Failing that you could express your concerns to City of Sydney Mayor Clover Moore via - cmoore@cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au

Clover has publicly committed to do everything in her power to address issues affecting the culture of Oxford Street, so would welcome comments.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 28th Aug, 2009

Good grief!

Re. 1 -3 of yr comment. Are you a member of Fred Nile's Christian Democrats or John Howards nephew? You are part of the reason why Sydney has become such a boring, conservative place filled with hetero drunk males on the rampage and cops that want to tell people how to run their social and sex lives rather than deal with street attacks against GLBTI people.
Time for you to crawl back in yr cave!
It's all about diversity of choice & the expectation one has upon entering a club.
We all go for different reasons/motivations (dance, pick up, drink, socialize) but the common ground being we all want to have fun & expect to have fun in a safe/comfortable place.
The only way a police officer can impede upon on one's fun is if that fun is marred by drugs being squirreled into a club, violence happens, drunks become rowdy to the point of lessening the fun factor for others. Hetero drunk males are present in our clubs because their girlfriends wanna go there, they love 'our' drugs & no gay boy is going to spike their girlfriends drink. They can grope their girlfriends ass on the dance floor just as we can do the same. When drunken straight males get abusive they're venting, usually out of a need to impress their girlfriends, be the 'hero' & get an audience while being one. No-one can ruin your 'sex life' in a nightclub. They can ruin your Dolce & Gabbana tank top if they accidently (or purposefully) spill their beer on it but my main point is we live with the choices we make in the presence of wanting the same thing while doing different things to get to the same place: fun. Sometimes, for some, fun can be had without drugs or getting off ya face.

andrew m potts

andrew m potts said on the 4th Sep, 2009

There are a number of possible contributing factors.

In 2002 the footpaths along Oxford Street were repaved. This took a long time with high wire fencing etc limiting access to shopfronts resulting in the demise of several key queer and queer friendly cafe's and businesses - allowing dodgy stores and $2 shops to proliferate. Oxford Street was no longer the cultural or shopping experience that it once was - and people stayed away in droves.

Poker machine laws changed around this time allowing pubs to install these evil money stealing hypnotising machines in increasingly large numbers. Spaces previously devoted to entertainment (shows, dance, cruising, pool playing etc) were developed into gaudy vegas style 'VIP Lounges'. Opportunities for meeting and being entertained diminished.

Smoking laws changed with few venues making adequate preparations. The venues that did build smoking areas now attract day long drinking unemployed theiving drug dealers - who make the most of these facilities. Venues make money from these denisons and are reluctant to move them on. Venues are seen as profit opportunities and not pillars of the community - and are mostly heterosexually owned. The venues that built quality entertainment facilities now attract a mostly straight crowd to their shows - that they charge for.

Online hook-up sites were born providing a more attractive option for those seeking rooting activities than did chlorinated sauna's with their floors worn by the pacing of lines of men too intimidated to speak to one another.

Such sites also offered cruising without the need to hit the now diminished strip and navigate the breeders and dollygirls. Inclusion and tolerance are important but some spaces need to remain sacred and inviolate - like cemetaries, public toilets and gay bars. Sydney provides many venues that cater well for mixed crowds, but only half a dozen (if that) truely gay venues - so f..k off.

DCM closed following public outcry about the level of violence and other unmentionables festering out of this previously gay venue... and what did the backpackers and homophobes do?....... crawled up the street to the Gaff (ick!) and HAVANA - right bang next door to Stonewall - brilliant piece of council approval.

The solution? Get rid of that which attracts those that spoil the strip, like poker machines, meth dealers and idiot attracting dolly girls practicing how to wear high heels and make up. Lobby our leaders to shut down appauling venues and lobby your venues to clean up their acts....... and what about supporting the strip with shopping or going to a quality queer cafe or restaurant - oops - none left.

Another factor that doesn't get talked about much is the failure of the gay scene to adapt to cater to a wider variety of tastes and interests- particularly for those younger gays and lesbians who when coming out, kept all their friends and never had to reinvent themselves to fit into the gay ghetto.

I work in the community but rarely set foot inside gay venues other than for work functions- not because they're overcrowded and overpriced (which they are), but because there isn't a single gay venue in Sydney that plays the sort of music I like.

The reason why there are far less gay venues on Oxford Street (and in Sydney in general) today than twenty years ago is because a lot of us have voted with their feet, and if they're not looking to pick up (which as mentioned, they can do online), would rather hang out with their straight friends in straight and mixed venues who's decor and tunes don't actively appall them.

OctoberTenth

OctoberTenth said on the 15th Sep, 2009



Definetely agree. I am actually a native San Franciscan and I was just there a month ago. But you have to understand the American culture is way different than Australian. Straight men will never go to straight bar because they think it is simply stupid to venture out to gay bars and look at gay men and be surrounded by gay men (which I agree whole-heartedly). And the straight girls would simply think and believe it is dumb to go to a bar where no-one will take notice (smart, don't you think?). So there is definetely a degree of separation between straights and gays (which I think it's great). Hence the Castro and West Hollywood are somewhat reserved for the gays.

This is my theory:

Those straight men who venture out to gay bars (in Syd) are really gay men who are homophobic and possess internalised homophobia. They really are gay men in the closet and try anything possible to cover that by hitting on girls. That is why there is so many violence coz they hate themselves and keep all that hatred inside. Think about this, if you are straight, have it all going for you (good job, good looking, good bank account), why would you go to gay bars? There are women everywhere! Think about it!

And those straight girls who go to gay bars are dumb. They think that they really can have fun and let themselves go in gay bars - dumb! Gays are outmost critical to how people look and whilst we might be good friends with fag-hags, deep inside we just don't want them to get married and take care of us when we are old and be as miserable as we are....... just kidding!

Ok.. I am exaggerating a bit but... is there some degree of truth to this?

AJ

naughtylion

naughtylion said on the 29th Sep, 2009

Someone pass me a hat to eat...

Went out on my birthday a couple of weekends ago, and yeah, I pretty shocked. Although my behavior on my birthday was utterly shameful (I've heard), not being able to remember most of it, what I remember were all the straight boys in the clubs. I dunno if it was the Tuesday blues or what, but to say the least I wasn't my usual fulfilled self after a grope, dance, and shitloads of drugs. I called a birthday rematch. Went out the following weekend, and although it rocked compared to the last one, I was still shocked to see the seemingly consistent ratio of 8:2 gays on the strip. And that really isn't an exaggeration although it sounds like one. I underestimated that figure the next morning accounting for how off my face I was, asking if fellow party goers thought the venues were quite straight - around the 50/50 mark. This was scoffed at and a few people corrected me and said it was honestly more like 90%. It didn't bother me that there were straight boys in the Shift of all places so much, but more that the general vibe, kinda sucked. It felt like a kind of tug-o-war in the venues, between being gay and straight, not being able to make up it's mind which way to swing. Apparently I was heard to suggest we migrate to Home (my old stomping ground in my teens) because at least that way we'd be able to tell if the venue was straight or the other. I haven't been out to a 'messy' venue on the strip since October last year, and had no idea the place could have changed so much in what I thought was such a short period of time. We passed through the shift and my sister was cracked onto. Many times. Which she would have loved if it was a twink commenting on her red sequined peep-toe stilettos. But they were sleazy straight boys wanting to make a mess of her vagina. It was a turn off. And a little surreal.

On top of that coincidently, I get into work yesterday after being on leave, and the guy that relieves me at 11pm was telling me how he went out to columbian and palms with his missus, his brother (who plays for parra) and 3 of his brother's mates. WHAT?! This guy can't fathom people hooking up through the net, let alone going to a gay bar.

I've totally changed my mind on this issue from the couple of slices of scene cake I've had over the past few weeks. The straights are fucking it. And what's worse is I don't know why. There was no heckling or violence of any kind so it wasn't that, it was just the vibe wasn't what it was... or something. It just felt odd. Considering the two weekends out cost me in excess of a grand, new outfits and fabulous hair, I'm a little more than disappointed, and not really wanting to spend my cash on that street again anytime soon.

As defeatist as it is, I simply can't afford to throw my money away in a scene that provides an overall pretty 'bleh' experience, and don't have the energy or time to do anything about something I use so infrequently. I don't know who's responsibility it is to improve the situation, whether it's the club owners or the patrons or fucking Kevin Rudd, but I'm sticking with my local. Its straight, but fuck at least I know what it is, and I wake up although scat, fulfilled by the experience of having a good night with mates and the occasional random straight shire boy that isn't petrified to come back to a fag's place to kick on.

Boo Oxford Street. Ur bronzer's worn off and ur pubes are a mess sweetheart. Grab some clippers and sort urself out... before it's too late!!

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