Join the romance revolution

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With all those gay internet dating sites and the rise of Facebook recently, we seem to be in a world where everyone knows everyone, what they like to do, where they like to go and what they do in the bedroom.

And no one could ignore that flutter of excitement which took over the gay world when the very popular phone app Grindr was launched just over three years ago.

As I adjust my prude hat, I question whether the long term effects of such devices will affect how our generation and generations to come view the concept of love and romance.

In days of old we’d notice a cute guy from across the room, or walk past him in the street and feel flushed with excitement, painting a picture of what he’s like and how amazing it would be to get to know him. Even the old cheeky smile and “g’day mate” would attract feelings of nervousness and excitement.

“When self-worth is validated by how many guys they’ve fucked, it seems like a recipe for a nasty bitchy chaotic community.”

I can’t help but to feel those days are slowly fading. When seeing a guy from across the room or walking past him in the street, my first thought is generally ‘Oh I’ve seen him on Grindr, he’s a slutty bottom looking for wired fun’ (or a variation of that).

Many times I have heard people say ‘Grindr kills romance’, and without slagging a successful phone app that has obviously made many guys happy, brought guys together and changed lives, there is a part of me that is disappointed that being part of the gay community revolves around quick convenient sex.

Are we missing the bigger picture? Some gay men may choose to sleep around and there are those who are constantly on the hunt for a quick root or hoping the land a hot guy in their local nightclub. But what will they do when they’ve slept with everyone they fancy in their town – is this when they’ll come to the realisation that they really have no idea how to form an emotional relationship?

When a guy’s self-worth is validated by how many guys they’ve fucked, it seems like a recipe for a nasty bitchy chaotic community. And that’s not a community I want to be part of.

Many would say that finding love on electronic apps such as this is like finding a needle in a haystack, and that it’s merely a device for sex. Well, an old-fashioned soul like me doesn’t want to be presented with a cock pic after a ‘hi how are you?’

So why don’t I just delete the app? I guess because I am that guy looking for the needle in the haystack and have faith that I will discover some lovely guys, whether it is for friendships or a potential relationship.

Things that are easy seem to have no value, and to me this doesn’t change when it comes to men. If you’re trying to charm me by spreading your legs or showing me your penis, your shallow approach has already erased any value I may have seen in you.

Being a cheerleader for love, my view on the gay community and how it all works can be quite disturbing at times and to march in a pride parade honestly doesn’t appeal to me, because although I am proud of myself and the people I associate with, there are parts of the gay community I don’t agree with and may never understand.

So in a roundabout way, as I step down from my soap box, the point I am trying to make is: don’t lose sight of your morals and values and keep yourself special so you can be treated with the value you have engrained in yourself. Bring back romance and don’t be consumed by the modern day soul draining apps.

I believe in love, I believe in respect and I believe we shouldn’t lose touch with what matters most. Love.

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MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 23rd Aug, 2012

I feel the need to have input in this. Yes I do use the Grindr App. No I do not hook up for a shag on it. And I do beleive that people are kidding themselves when they say that there are friendly people on there, They are only friendly so they can give you a shag. I do however beleive that a few people go on there to make themselves noticed, to tell the gay community that "I am gay" because peeps like me go on to see who I have seen that is gay. Grindr is aweful for finding friendships or relationships, the reason why is that the profiles I see have "descrete" "straight acting" "NSA" ect. which I beleive alot of them are closeted and arent ready to face the facts of being gay and being comfortable with themselves.

I have come to the terms that I will not be happy hiding myself in public, I got the courage from a few friends I had my hair done, wore the best clothes and was taught a way that allowed me not to care and be myself..... to my surprise it worked! I had never been happier with myself, I actully got hit on at the pub. It felt alot better then scrolling down my phone and waiting, instead I put myself out there and got more action from guys who want to be in a relationship and who arent that scared to be themselves.

I am still single, but I have friends who I am myself with now, and I chucked grindr away, if people want to meet me, they are going to have to get off their phone and be out and brave in public to ask me :)

Bobby you've come such a long way since you first started posting on SameSame. I'm really proud of how you've grown buddy! :)

NATEE

NATEE said on the 23rd Aug, 2012

I completely agree with this article. Staying true to your morals and values is very important. I just downloaded Grindr recently for the very first time and let me say it is honestly a waste of time. Boring, slow, non responsive, non personal just down right crap. If I wanted too, I could probably find a quicker sexual encounter in a club then Grindr. The restrictions that Grindr have on that app is hilarious. I would say Manhunt is much better if you want to go down the virtual path of hooking up.

The first few words of a conversation being 'Hi, What you after? , Top or bottom? How HUNG are you? Has to be the stupidest first few sentences I have ever and will ever hear. Where is the excitement, where is the passion, the actual getting to know each other on a comfortable level where you can truly have great sex. No wonder gay guys are not bothering in relationships these days . They are continuously looking for the next best thing, not realizing that the best thing could be in front of them. It looks like were are going to have an older gay generation, who are going to be single and alone in their old age preying on the younger dudes for a quick root. Now that is not fair !!

Keep it real guys and stop looking at your sexual partners like a shopping list. For example how hung they are. Who cares a penis is a penis its what you do with it and how you use it. Don't you think its time to start being a grown up?

That is my two cents worth once again :P

Marc

Marc said on the 23rd Aug, 2012

As has previously been written about Manhunt and it's sole purpose is to emphasise your dilemma...how do I find someone "acceptable" with the minimum of effort? With the advent of online cruising and iPhone apps that increase the perception of getting "what I want, when I want it", yes the art of human interaction that does not solely depend on a transaction (a fuck) is well ant truly lost. "Those days" are not slowly fading, they are already gone! I would hasten to say that gay men in general are appalling at establishing friendships and relationships in the more mainstream format, i.e. long term and monogamous. I have lots of thoughts on why this is so, but not for this post. Consequently, with the rapid growth in technology, the web, and now smart phones, gay men inevitably will adopt and exploit these innovations to fill a void they have struggled with. We all get caught up in the intensity derived from online cruising and Grindr hookups. It's like a endorphin rush. It satisfies, but temporarily; when that's done we get online or swipe the screen and you're onto the next...too easy. I agree something is tragically lost. Intimacy is lost; or the ability to develop intimacy with another human being. To use an old analogy, everyone prefers a decent roast dinner compared to the Light and Easy microwave portion that are done for immediate consumption in 6 minutes. Problem is no one can be bothered with the prep, cooking time, and clean up for a full on roast!

NATEE

NATEE said on the 24th Aug, 2012

So Drag Queens, muscle mary's, twinks and bears didn't exist before Grindr? Oh wait a second the hanky code and these generalisations have been around for some time!

Fair point on the non-verbal!

However I still fundamentally disagree that grindr/internet has killed romance! Its just sped things up a bit. A slut was a slut in the 90's early 2000's the same way there were nice boi's looking for the one! Don't blame an dating tool for you not getting the tool you want!

No no, the types have always been there, its how we associate with that dating tool for example Grindr. The rudeness the arrogance, the inability to spark up a decent conversation before licking that persons spleen or penis.

The point is Andrew, yes we know that dating tools like Grindr has sped things up giving gay guys more freedom to move sexually, however it has become extremely superficial by judging a book by its cover or by the first few sentences in that persons 'profile'.

There has to be a balance, young gay guys need to learn to socialize, to experience genuine connections with guys wanting that of the same sex. Gay guys will honestly fall behind their heterosexual counterpart if they constantly resort to a screen and keyboard to actually attract a sexual/non sexual partner.

Here is an experiment for you, find a boy who continuously uses Grindr for sexual picks up, put them in a real life situation to pick up a sexual partner and see how timid or shy they are. Their screen and keyboard will not be there to protect them when they are conversing with the other person.

Trust me I am still shy when I want to approach some one in a club because I starting looking at guys through internet dating. I think it was Manhunt to be correct.

andrewc

andrewc said on the 24th Aug, 2012

No no, the types have always been there, its how we associate with that dating tool for example Grindr. The rudeness the arrogance, the inability to spark up a decent conversation before licking that persons spleen or penis.

The point is Andrew, yes we know that dating tools like Grindr has sped things up giving gay guys more freedom to move sexually, however it has become extremely superficial by judging a book by its cover or by the first few sentences in that persons 'profile'.

The same arrogance exists in real life - I'm not sue what utopian world you live in... but in real life you sum up a person within seconds of meeting them, I believe its called first impressions. I'm pretty sure there was an article on here not so long ago about someone being called a cheap twink or something coz they had no cash on them at Arq...

You judge everything about another person in a split second, and this is just from a glance across the beer garden. Yes in person there is a lot more data to process, this is the knack of online communication, you need to think how it will be percieved, not what you percieve it to be.

A persons ability to converse with other humans is not determined when at the age of 18 (or whatever it is you have to be on Grindr/dating sites), they decide to start online dating. If at this point they are in-ept then to be frank there is little difference it will make... if at this point they are afraid of human conversation, then there are bigger issues at stake and wider action they need to take then simply deleting a few profiles. I should knonw I was shy to the point of being almost mute at 18... now I work and socialise in many different situations with little issue.

In terms of your experiment... I actually doubt they would have issue. They will still be judgemental, but we all are, some of us have just learnt to hide this better. But will they pick up, I think yes, the fundamentals are the same!

Again don't blame a tool for peoples ineptidue.

NATEE

NATEE said on the 24th Aug, 2012

The same arrogance exists in real life - I'm not sue what utopian world you live in... but in real life you sum up a person within seconds of meeting them, I believe its called first impressions. I'm pretty sure there was an article on here not so long ago about someone being called a cheap twink or something coz they had no cash on them at Arq...

You judge everything about another person in a split second, and this is just from a glance across the beer garden. Yes in person there is a lot more data to process, this is the knack of online communication, you need to think how it will be percieved, not what you percieve it to be.

A persons ability to converse with other humans is not determined when at the age of 18 (or whatever it is you have to be on Grindr/dating sites), they decide to start online dating. If at this point they are in-ept then to be frank there is little difference it will make... if at this point they are afraid of human conversation, then there are bigger issues at stake and wider action they need to take then simply deleting a few profiles. I should knonw I was shy to the point of being almost mute at 18... now I work and socialise in many different situations with little issue.

In terms of your experiment... I actually doubt they would have issue. They will still be judgemental, but we all are, some of us have just learnt to hide this better. But will they pick up, I think yes, the fundamentals are the same!

Again don't blame a tool for peoples ineptidue.

Only time will tell, when young gay guys are consumed with apps like Grindr for a quick root. I do not think many gay guys will socialize or be friends with each other. They are continuously looking at guys like a concept map or a shopping list for their own personal pleasure without taking a leap of faith and expecting the unexpected. Lets see if in 10 years majority of the gay guys using the app will still be single and will still be looking for hooks up on end. Just look at manhunt I swear 60% of guys on there were on there 5 years ago still trying to find the next best thing.

As I said there needs to be a balance (an equilibrium) of virtual dating which can lead to your quick hook up without much emotion, once your done, you hop back on your band wagon and look for your next conquest as per usual. Or realistic dating where you can explore and have human contact which is vital for overall building of self confidence/self efficacy and even self emancipation before you actually get in bed with that other person. There are other things besides sex that gay men (humans beings in general) should be developing throughout their young adult hood years (As human beings we are always growing and developing to gain higher levels of maturity) . Apps like Grindr don't give you that.

I am not blaming the tool, I just want young fellas like myself to understand that the dating scene is much larger then Grindr, which can (not saying it will) but can categorize a person in a box.

Yes people will judge either way but it is actually being at the fore front and confronting that judgement head on without hiding behind a screen all the time. (Keyword Andrew 'all the time')

I guess we are just going to agree to disagree mate.