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Jack & Chris debate: Youngeror older men?

Are you getting a reputation as a twink-chaser? Or do you enjoy the company of someone a little more antique?

Most guys tend to go for someone their own age, but gay workmates Jack Arthur Smith and Christopher Carroll both say they’ve had some great times with gentlemen born a few years outside their demographic. Can you relate?


Chris likes them young, fun and full of… well you get the idea.

I won’t lie, I used to think older was better. But then I saw that episode of Sex and the City, where Samantha was going to pork that elderly dude until she saw his wrinkly arse cheeks flapping in the wind. It was at that moment I realised that the only old guy I wanted to be getting it from was Santa.

There are numerous benefits to dating down the age scale. The first, of course, is sex. If you can nab a spritely twink who is eager to please and in his sexual peak, you’re going to get flogged harder than a filly on Derby Day. And should you encounter the Holy Grail – a virgin – then you’re pretty much going to reinact a scene from True Blood, where the very scent of their unexplored and angelic nooks and crannies feels like rapture for your hungry vampire senses.

Another huge bonus of scoring someone who thinks MASH is just a style of potato they’re meant to avoid approaching the Glitterball weekend, is that they know about technology. They know gadgets, they know acronyms for online chat and whenever I get the colourful wheel of death on my Mac screen, my boyfriend – three and a bit years my junior – knows just what to do. I would totally send him an emoji of gratitude if only I knew how.

Young guys know the hot new clubs too and their youthful zest for life will rub off on you when you fear your two crows’ feet framed eyes can no longer handle the lasers on the dance floor. Better still, score yourself a gay hipster and all the things you loved in your heyday are cool again. It’s just like reliving your childhood – but with a shitload more booze and bonking!

Leave dating older men to the Girls of the Playboy Mansion.


On the other hand, Jack reckons if they’re old and bold, they win the gold…

I’ve always been a big fan of the older gentlemen ever since I realised I was a flaming homosexual.

Whether it was an early infatuation with my PE teacher Mr Price and his free-balling bouncing bulge, or the fact the first piece of hardcore porn I laid eyes on where two hairy guys in their late 30s porking a lucky lady from all angles, I’m not too sure how it all began.

Of course, sex plays a large part in my favouritism to the more travelled fellow – even Mr Price’s kind brown eyes would have looked a lot nicer from knee’s eye view – and it goes without saying; older dudes really do have more experience. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like I’ve never straddled a younger stallion, I have and it’s been good, but a seasoned racer knows every corner, every jump and all the right times to apply the horsepower.

Then there’s dating. Oh the romance, the charm, the relaxed comfort of ordering a glass of the good stuff and at least attempting to do the swill, sniff and sip. Not that arty farty dining decorum should ever rule your judgement, far from it, but most mature chaps tend to frequent nicer places than Stonewall or Arq and don’t think eating out is just a film by Q. Allan Brocka.

But sweeping statements aside, one thing I love about the sexy salt and peppered silver foxes is they seem to appreciate life a little more. They understand the importance of listening, they know the joys of receiving impromptu gifts and they will, when they know it’s right, put your problems before their own. My boyfriend, seven years my senior, is particularly good at this.

And of course, put him in a suit and I’m all over him like a cash-strapped toy boy at DILF.


Who do you agree with? Jack or Chris? Or a bit with both? Let us know below.

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Suriag

Suriag said on the 21st Oct, 2012

Chris carrying on about a three year age gap as some sort of relevant generational divide is greatly amusing.~

trina2004

trina2004 said on the 21st Oct, 2012

'porking'. what a lovely word.

I agree that both Jack and Chris are addicted to terrible analogies.

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 21st Oct, 2012

Once again Chris and JackArthurSmith are generalising to the outer limits of space.

I really disagree with Jack's comment that older men are well experienced. I've been with a few who have been complete duds and I've been with young guys who would know more sexual positions than Hugh Hefner. Ultimately it's the individual which makes the difference and not what socio-demographic they come from.

No wonder why gay men are accused of being shallow and superficial, ever thing seems to revolve around types and catergories when it comes to people, we never focus or look at the individual themselves and this article has just contributed another bit of bandwith to that stereotype.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 21st Oct, 2012

My emotional intelligence is very mature, I'm 36 and often get along with men socially who accept people as they are and who appreciate honesty - these men are in their early 30's to their late 70's in age. I agree with Mr. Ash. There are older men who have lived sheltered lives who are naive, there are younger men who are much more aware of themselves and what they're all about. The world is a diverse place and we are all different.
Labels don't help. Stigmatising peoples' worth in regards to age is being ageist. You can't live your life thinking,"Oh, all mature aged men are wise, younger guys are all young, dumb and full of cum". It's limiting and it's unfair.
The gay community is so competitive when it comes to seduction. Why? Because like Mr. Ash said - guys are judged for what sub-culture they 'belong' to or what 'type' they are. I'm not much of a club joiner because I'm not a conformist and I don't subscribe to stereotypes.

mark_

mark_ said on the 21st Oct, 2012

I appreciate your provocative article, Jack and Christopher.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 21st Oct, 2012

what a pile of shit generalisations.

And agree Trina - porking ? WTF ?

and yep have been with older guys who were absolute duds and younger who are mind blowing. Works both ways.

Doesnt sound like they did too much research. How many porkings are they basing this on ?

jesseonthebrink

jesseonthebrink said on the 21st Oct, 2012

Too hilarious. You guys are killing me. Thanks for the smile this morning :)

Zepol23

Zepol23 said on the 21st Oct, 2012

whats with this cross armed bullshit?

ernesto_1

ernesto_1 said on the 21st Oct, 2012

older guys are just hot 36-42 that's my range nothing over or under thanks!!

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 22nd Oct, 2012



Mark are you provocatively trolling to gain attention?

mark_

mark_ said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

^ Ash, I appreciate the work done by any unpaid contributor to SS.

I know you've done one article but I haven't done any.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

I can't answer this question. I'm too busy looking at the writers and one of them has severe drag queen eyebrows.

Sexycoffeeguy

Sexycoffeeguy said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

I think it's up to us to scope out how experienced or inexperienced they are during the get to know you period (However you choose do it) And it is up to us to decide if we are ready to take on that level.
I have been and done a wide range of boys from all different age brackets... 16 up to 58 (The latter was funny as we had to stop halfway through so somebody could catch their breath... good times)
It's is all personal decision and there have been times when I have wanted to be in the company of younger men and times when I have wanted to be with older guys... I personally prefer a man with more life skills and the ability to laugh at themselves, not at the expense of others.
Age is just a number... I look older than the person I am seeing even though I am 27 and he is 32 which causes quite a few lols when we go out and ussumptions start being made by various parties :D

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

Saying age is " just a number" is like saying prison is "just another room"

andrewc

andrewc said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

I still don't understand why people get so upset with generalisations on here... Gays used to be fun, people seem so concerned with being politically correct that simple generalising from a persons point of view becomes overly inflammatory! I know there is a line, but jebus be a little flexible people!

andrewc

andrewc said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

ps Old men are hot... except when they are overly touchy in a bar and grab your crotch whilst telling you they are straight! Ahhh Good times!

Zepol23

Zepol23 said on the 22nd Oct, 2012



people do that? i wish i got touched once in a while. cunts.

andrewc

andrewc said on the 22nd Oct, 2012



They do, repeatedly. All whilst buying you aniseed flavoured alcohol! Classy!

ernesto_1

ernesto_1 said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

I'm chatting to a sexy older guy on grinder with a hot muscle bod n a handsome fuck face

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 22nd Oct, 2012



You always do though! :rolleyes:

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

^ Ash, I appreciate the work done by any unpaid contributor to SS.

I know you've done one article but I haven't done any.

You're being facetious Mark. :cool:

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 22nd Oct, 2012



People get upset with generalisations on here because they know how oppressive and stigmatising generalisations and stereotypes are.

If GLBTIQ people don't want people to be stereotyped, we have to stop stereotyping and making generalisations about others in GLBTIQ culture. We have to set the example.

Zepol23

Zepol23 said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

People get upset with generalisations on here because they know how oppressive and stigmatising generalisations and stereotypes are.

If GLBTIQ people don't want people to be stereotyped, we have to stop stereotyping and making generalisations about others in GLBTIQ culture. We have to set the example.

but ash its so much fun sometimes :(

andrewc

andrewc said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

So we can't generalise anything then? Because saying you prefer older/younger men equals oppression?

Kaleb

Kaleb said on the 22nd Oct, 2012



Instead of being presented with stereotypes by age, sex, color, class, or religion, children must have the opportunity to learn that within each range, some people are loathsome and some are delightful. 'Margaret Mead' :eek::D

andrewc

andrewc said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

Eh! All I'm saying is - lighten up a little!

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

Are they stereotypes or just a description of like minded individuals?

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 22nd Oct, 2012



What Jack and Chris have written is blatant ageist stereotyping. Definitely not a description of like minded individuals.

The_Freak

The_Freak said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

As an older "hot" man *coughs & looks around to make sure no-one is laughing .... too much*

I can honestly say this is the closest I've come to someone finding me attractive in the past couple of days ....................... :eek::eek::D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-64N6q6W3Tc4/Ta_RSUvejpI/AAAAAAAAAFE/2kT0v3_Jw6g/s1600/herpesSniffer.jpg

mark_

mark_ said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

I agree with Andrew.

Jack and Chris do racy and fun journalistm.

They're a bit like Miranda Devine and the Murdochs and they're not aiming to write the Ten Commandments or papal bulls.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_bull

mark_

mark_ said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

@ #30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IwybxS4xNs

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

I agree with Andrew.

Jack and Chris do racy and fun journalistm.

They're a bit like Miranda Devine and the Murdochs and they're not aiming to write the Ten Commandments or papal bulls.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_bull

They're not racy and fun, they're juvenile and ridiculous.


I do agree with you that they are like Miranda Devine and the Murdochs since they don't check the facts about what they write and they seem to enjoy propagating baseless stereotypes and generalisations to a wide audience for attention.

And for the record, no I don't like Hamish and Andy, Merrick and Rosso or Kyle and Jackie 'O' which I have to say that these guys are like also.

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 22nd Oct, 2012

Should try strokin

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNz6YNqacjw&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNz6YNqacjw&feature=related

andrewc

andrewc said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

The difference is these are two gay guys commenting on THEIR experience. Not the whole bloody human race! This is hardly comparable to comments made by M Devine!

The gay community used to be able to take a little butt of tongue and cheek. I don't recall any drag queen in the early noughties taking themselves too seriously! Its nice to see a couple of guys trying to write something light and fun. We have enough seriousness in the world around us, a bit of humour goes a long way!

My opinion on this stuff has probably changed due to some recent experiences that has put the world in a little more perspective than that I had living in inner city Australia!

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Calm down you hysterical homosexuals

It's a light hearted article NOT a psych journal

andrewc

andrewc said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Who are you calling a Hysterical Homo??? I prefer the label Screaming Queen!

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

How do you scream with that snorkel on

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

The difference is these are two gay guys commenting on THEIR experience. Not the whole bloody human race! This is hardly comparable to comments made by M Devine!

The gay community used to be able to take a little butt of tongue and cheek. I don't recall any drag queen in the early noughties taking themselves too seriously! Its nice to see a couple of guys trying to write something light and fun. We have enough seriousness in the world around us, a bit of humour goes a long way!

My opinion on this stuff has probably changed due to some recent experiences that has put the world in a little more perspective than that I had living in inner city Australia!

This isn't a light hearted opinion piece, it's typical stereotypical predjudice which is rampant in gay/bi culture and it shouldn't be tolerated on a GLBTIQ site which considers itself the gateway to GLBTIQ Australia and prides itself on being inclusive.

If you think ridiculing people is light hearted fun I really pity you.

andrewc

andrewc said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

You really think they are ridiculing people! Who have they ridiculed by suggesting younger guys tend to be more "happening" and up with technology and older guys know about wine and don't have as much concern about finances? Its a generalisation not an attack!

andrewc

andrewc said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

I've just noticed that Chris and Jack have recycled the photo shoot from their previous article! Wardrobe change boys!

Tigerland

Tigerland said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Is glasses guy the same person who got his knickers in a knot over some comment an older bloke said to him at Arq one night? There was an article on here a couple months back he wrote.

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Mr ash ever watched Kenny Everett?(look up you tube)
As generalisation when did us gays lose our sense of humor and become so anal?
Laughter is the only way to heal the world.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

I re read this article incase I was missing something.

It's not rocket science. It's just two young guys giving their opinions on who they like to fuck and why.

Young people always generalise. They don't know enough about the world yet and are trying to work it out.

Old people such as me- generalise too. I just did it.

local_warming

local_warming said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

I agree with Andrew.

Jack and Chris do racy and fun journalistm.

They're a bit like Miranda Devine and the Murdochs and they're not aiming to write the Ten Commandments

its not like that rocky pile of rubbish was some never-before-thought-of master stroke

Tigerland

Tigerland said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Mr ash ever watched Kenny Everett?(look up you tube)
As generalisation when did us gays lose our sense of humor and become so anal?
Laughter is the only way to heal the world.

THIS Kenny Everett? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLBW8L198GQ

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Mr ash ever watched Kenny Everett?(look up you tube)
As generalisation when did us gays lose our sense of humor and become so anal?
Laughter is the only way to heal the world.

The whole notion that gays lost their humour and became so anal is perceived by those adolescent enough to think ridicule and mockery is funny. Kenny Everett was a sexist pig, like most British male comedians regardless of their sexuality in the era he performed.

Humour is a subjective thing and not everyone shares the same taste in it. Laughter out of love is what brings the world together, not laughter generated out of sarcasm or demeaning ridicule and mockery by comedians.

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Watch this interview to the end with Kenny Everett and Sinead O'Connor and tell me if you still feel the same way

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3dm9J2miMs&feature=related"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3dm9J2miMs&feature=related

what about the two ronnies in their segment "The worm that turned"

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

Watch this interview to the end with Kenny Everett and Sinead O'Connor and tell me if you still feel the same way

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3dm9J2miMs&feature=related"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3dm9J2miMs&feature=related

It confirmed my thoughts on him.

mark_

mark_ said on the 23rd Oct, 2012



I agree with you but I'm trying really hard to think of a comedian who does do humour based on love.

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

I re read this article incase I was missing something.

It's not rocket science. It's just two young guys giving their opinions on who they like to fuck and why.

Young people always generalise. They don't know enough about the world yet and are trying to work it out.

Old people such as me- generalise too. I just did it.

Just because their generalising is considered a part of life discovery attributed with youth doesn't make it right, nor should it be published on a site like this. It just condones the negative behaviour.

JackArthurSmith got upset and complained in an article when he was dismissed at ARQ for being 'just a twink' yet it's ok for him and his pal Chris to be predjudice towards people based on age. Hypocrisy.

No doubt we'll have more of these puerile debates by these two in the future and again any offense be dismissed as 'humour'.

I really question now the journalistic ethics with the editorial of SameSame especially considering there is so much ageist discrimination in the GLBTIQ community and an article like this just treats the issue of ageism as trivial.

I would like to add that older GLBTIQ people face double discrimination in life since they have to endure negativity about their age in GLBTIQ culture, especially gay and bi men, and then discrimination from mainstream heteronormative society.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

But you must admit- that when you compare it to the pap written by Jesse Matheson.
This article is nearly genius

mark_

mark_ said on the 23rd Oct, 2012



But Jesse is exquisitely beautiful!

That excuses everything.

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 23rd Oct, 2012

I'm always amused when older gay men say things like "Leave dating older men to the Girls of the Playboy Mansion". Does he not realise that for him to be able to date younger men (3 years? What an age gap!) the younger man has to be dating an older man?

Or is he dating a Playboy Mansion bunny?

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 24th Oct, 2012

Twinks say stupid things all the time


It's why they should always have a dick in their mouth

DavoJimbo

DavoJimbo said on the 24th Oct, 2012

oh to be young and silly and have it all figured out... :-)

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 24th Oct, 2012

Its in our DNA to hypocrites....
What do you laugh at Mr ash?

fjmac

fjmac said on the 24th Oct, 2012

At the end of the day, if they can keep you happy and make you feel safe and more importantly love you; age isn't an issue unless you're under legal age or stretched out in a coffin

The_Freak

The_Freak said on the 24th Oct, 2012

Twinks say stupid things all the time


It's why they should always have a dick in their mouth



I'm guessing it's too late for me to be classified a twink? ........ just asking! :D:D



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CN6owebFEpY/TkclHFzBt8I/AAAAAAAACBU/Xh1ZdUo27DM/s1600/bachmann+corndog.jpg

Sep77

Sep77 said on the 24th Oct, 2012

I like them a few years either side of my age. I don't want to be someone's trainer, nor someone's boy toy.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 24th Oct, 2012

I'm guessing it's too late for me to be classified a twink? ........ just asking! :D:D



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CN6owebFEpY/TkclHFzBt8I/AAAAAAAACBU/Xh1ZdUo27DM/s1600/bachmann+corndog.jpg

Is that Charlotte Dawson

Tigerland

Tigerland said on the 24th Oct, 2012



Is he chatting back?

Did you Guys meet up? ;)