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Jack & Chris debate: Shouldmen wear makeup?

Some of the most fabulous fellas we know can’t leave the house without a bit of foundation and maybe some guyliner.

We all get a confidence boost from looking the best we can be, but is makeup on men really necessary?

You guessed it. Male makeup is another thing gay workmates Jack Arthur Smith and Christopher Carroll disagree on…


Jack prefers a natural look for men. Why buy into the cosmetic industry when we don’t have to?

Like suits, tighty whitey undies or my bed, there are certain things men look fabulous in. Makeup, like wispy pubic moustaches (unless of course it’s for Movember) and high wasted Simon Cowell pants up to your armpits, does not make that list.

Don’t get me wrong, slopping on some slap can be useful. A huge puss-ridden spot or cold sore come morning is never a pretty sight and a subtle coating to replenish and revitalise a dull visage is acceptable if your hungover face really will scare children. But unless you’re a drag performer or suffer from an embarrassing skin disease, covering yourself in concealer, bathing in fake tan or plucking your eyebrows like a Christmas turkey ain’t pretty.

What happened to natural beauty? What happened to embracing the way we were born and learning to love that person no matter what instead of burying him under layer upon layer of BB cream? Which, by the way, has got to be some of the most pornographic marketing I have ever laid eyes on (haven’t these people ever used Google before?). And, what makes matters worse is that most of the guys who can be seen batting their fakies or flaunting their perfectly illustrated eyebrows are the lucky ones graced with good looks.

I’m all for individualism, and would never judge anyone who simply wants to throw on some glitter and be extra fabulous for the night, but there are far too many men and boys who think they need a fake face because theirs is ugly. No, what’s ugly is that in their lives, something or someone has made them feel that they need to hide beneath makeup to look beautiful.

No way. Men, looking like the men they were meant to be, are beautiful. Not to mention bonder-inducingly mouthwatering.


Like a little makeup? Do whatever it takes to make you feel flawless, advises Chris.

If we start buying into the mindset that men have to behave in a certain way (we can’t show emotion, we can’t appear effeminate and we can’t show a passion for the arts) then we’ve pretty much become our own Miranda Devine. And believe me, even on her best day Miranda Devine doesn’t enjoy being Miranda Devine (allegedly).

The best part about being gay is avoiding the ridiculous gender roles the straight community has trapped itself in. Not that we’re free from the nonsense completely (if I hear of one more gay guy seeking a mate who is ‘straight acting’ I will puke glitter everywhere), but we are afforded the luxury to be who we are wholly and unapologetically. And if that means we want to wear makeup – for whatever reason – so be it.

I was slapping on the foundation in my early club days, layer upon layer like a Sarah Lee cake. Now, a dose of tinted moisturiser is the extent of my beauty routine. But I salute any man who wants to improve the way they look – gay or straight – and if makeup is what makes you feel great, wear it.

As a gay community we need to stop with this masculinity obsession. So many of us seem to be battling so hard to hide our mannerisms and real self that one has to wonder if there is any point coming out of the closet if you’re emerging from it half-arsed with a feigned interest in footy.

Be you. If you’re fem, embrace it. If you love makeup, wear it with pride. And if you’re masculine, don’t begrudge a guy who chooses to walk out the door everyday embracing his love of aesthetic enhancement.

After all, it’s just makeup; it’s not going to cause a London riot now, is it?


The jury’s out – it’s time for you to decide. Who do you agree with? Jack or Chris? Or a bit with both? Let us know your thoughts on man-makeup below.

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Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

I knew the guy with the drag queen eyebrows would say that

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

This is article is an improvement on this duos last couple of attempts. I have to agree with Chris since his put his case well. As for jack, he just wants to be a lad and that's alright. Yet I do sense he could have a tad bit of internalised homophobia,

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

Why did it take two people to write an article this short.

Young kids these days.

christianbaines82

christianbaines82 said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

Hey, if it takes eight lyricists to write a Beyonce track with five words...

andrewc

andrewc said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

MrAsh you must be so tired from inferring things that aren't there? Internalised Homophobia... FFS!

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

Jeez Louise.

What is it about these two that make the homos hysterical

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

I want Jack and Chris to record an album of ABBA covers.

That would be sick

melsby

melsby said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

I think it is because they both express the extreme views of either side of the topic that they are discussing. People who agree with one will see the other in a negative light.
Personally I like to choose the third option where everyone is unique in their own way and the differences should be celebrated.
Not that I dont have my own preferences mind you, I just try to see from others peoples point of views too, and if it challanges my own views so much the better
In regards to this article I believe in the natural look, for men and women.
Though there is nothing wrong with accenuating their natural features with makeup, but to do it lightly to bring out what is already there rather than mask your natural looks

Platypus

Platypus said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

They both wear make-up from what I read just to various extents, just think it's what they want in someone else from this article states sounds to me one of them wants a straight acting man and the other fine with whatever he sees as decent.

Tosca

Tosca said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

boys in makeup are cute.
like little kids.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

You can't live someone else's lives for them. They either wear make-up or don't. You can't tell an adult what to do.
I can't help but think, though, that make-up looks artificial on men, as if they're trying to usurp the feminine to be more 'womanly' than women. Maybe guys who wear make-up want to impress the people around them. For attention. They're being vain. I don't know.
It doesn't matter. I don't wear make-up. Not that anyone actually cares. That's my point. Everyone lives their own lives and at the end of the day nobody care whether you wear make-up or not.

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

If you look at the history of make up and cosmetics, men have been wearing make up and using cosmetics in various cultures for centuries. It's nothing new.

In fact men's cosmetics have been increasing in popularity over the last decade.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/fashion/02skin.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0"]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/fashion/02skin.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

mark_

mark_ said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

Jack & Chris's debate needs more pictures.

ernesto_1

ernesto_1 said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

I wouldn't want a high maintenance bf like that!!

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 2nd Nov, 2012



http://i.cdn.cnngo.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/200x200/2011/03/22/author_bio_headshot_0.JPG


Jack Arthur Smith (don't call him Jack Smith 'too common') also writes for CNN!

http://www.cnngo.com/author/jack-arthur-smith

The_Freak

The_Freak said on the 2nd Nov, 2012

I had a friend, who back in my clubbing days in the 80s (that's 1980s not 1880s) use to stay at my place (then in Potts Point).

Poor thing had scarring from acne as a teen that he use to wear so much foundation and powder to try and hide the "pock marks".

Let's just say the pillow covers in the spare room ended up looking like "The Shroud of Turin" and leave it at that! :eek::eek::D

biflab

biflab said on the 3rd Nov, 2012

Unless you are an actor or work in television I'd give make up a wide miss.

mark_

mark_ said on the 3rd Nov, 2012

Special make-up for the wedding day! 'Marriage Equality' :rolleyes:

Zepol23

Zepol23 said on the 3rd Nov, 2012

im far too lazy to delve into make up...however on special occasions like mardi gras... avatar moment :/

crazzymikey

crazzymikey said on the 3rd Nov, 2012

I dont think guys in make up are hot however each to their own. I agree the occasional small amount of well placed foundation to cover acne on a bad day is ok for what I like.

I find guys who start using make up relaly over do it. I like adam lamberts music but he aint hot to me however some like that androgenous look.

The_Freak

The_Freak said on the 4th Nov, 2012



And such a bold move using glitter, you Lebanese minx, you!

Glitter was all the rage in the 80s ........ and retro is sooo "in"

Well ....... most things retro ....... except maybe us old "dudes" ..... and then that's just plain scary! :eek::eek::D

http://www.acrstudio.com/ideas/dacorte_alex/activity21.jpg
too much?? .....too little??

Zepol23

Zepol23 said on the 4th Nov, 2012

And such a bold move using glitter, you Lebanese minx, you!

Glitter was all the rage in the 80s ........ and retro is sooo "in"

Well ....... most things retro ....... except maybe us old "dudes" ..... and then that's just plain scary! :eek::eek::D

http://www.acrstudio.com/ideas/dacorte_alex/activity21.jpg
too much?? .....too little??

not enough he needs some dripping from his mouth.

one aus man

one aus man said on the 4th Nov, 2012



or a clown! :D :D :eek: :eek:

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 4th Nov, 2012

Jeez Louise.

What is it about these two that make the homos hysterical

Jack and Chris take a contrived topic and put forward their views as if they're in a high school debate. Their topic choice is obscure, they argue as if writing an essay for their English teacher to grade and then expect a deep and meaningful exchange on here about the virtues of gay men wearing make-up versus the stigma that comes with putting on a bit of mascara to impress the guys that are into looking femme.

I want real topics to be 'debated'. Stuff that effects me, my life and what it means to be a gay man in 2012.

Doolander

Doolander said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Sara Lee*

MrAsh: He's
Oh and how can you sense the internalised homophobia... Fark... I'm sick to death of that freakin' statement. People are who they are. The next person to mention internalised homophobia has a hard case of IFS (Internalised Fuckwit Syndrome)

dougster

dougster said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Sara Lee*

MrAsh: He's
Oh and how can you sense the internalised homophobia... Fark... I'm sick to death of that freakin' statement. People are who they are. The next person to mention internalised homophobia has a hard case of IFS (Internalised Fuckwit Syndrome)

u sure ur not internalising something there, doolster? lol.

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Sara Lee*

MrAsh: He's
Oh and how can you sense the internalised homophobia... Fark... I'm sick to death of that freakin' statement. People are who they are. The next person to mention internalised homophobia has a hard case of IFS (Internalised Fuckwit Syndrome)

It seems if you're a gay man and against any part of gay culture in my neck of the woods it's automatic internalised homophobia. I'm just being politically correct.

Tigerland

Tigerland said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Sara Lee*

MrAsh: He's
Oh and how can you sense the internalised homophobia... Fark... I'm sick to death of that freakin' statement. People are who they are. The next person to mention internalised homophobia has a hard case of IFS (Internalised Fuckwit Syndrome)

What has frozen Cheesecakes got to do with any of it? :D

Doolander

Doolander said on the 5th Nov, 2012



I am a gay man, I am not against ANY part of gay culture. What I am against, is people saying 'you must be this, because you don't like/do this' and 'you must be this because you say/do/like this'

Ash, I am against people doing the reverse of what you're doing, make no mistake. But can't everyone just deal with the fact that gay does not define us, some enjoy the culture more than others. Just because I like to be active, go camping, and whatever else I do does not make those things exclusively hetero which is what your 'internalised homophobia' bullshit implies.

Political Correctness is choking modern day life...



One of the fella's in the article referred to Sarah Lee, it's Sara Lee.

Tigerland

Tigerland said on the 5th Nov, 2012

I am a gay man, I am not against ANY part of gay culture. What I am against, is people saying 'you must be this, because you don't like/do this' and 'you must be this because you say/do/like this'

Ash, I am against people doing the reverse of what you're doing, make no mistake. But can't everyone just deal with the fact that gay does not define us, some enjoy the culture more than others. Just because I like to be active, go camping, and whatever else I do does not make those things exclusively hetero which is what your 'internalised homophobia' bullshit implies.

Political Correctness is choking modern day life...



One of the fella's in the article referred to Sarah Lee, it's Sara Lee.

Ah ok, I didn't really read the article properly just skimmed over it.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Jack and Chris take a contrived topic and put forward their views as if they're in a high school debate. Their topic choice is obscure, they argue as if writing an essay for their English teacher to grade and then expect a deep and meaningful exchange on here about the virtues of gay men wearing make-up versus the stigma that comes with putting on a bit of mascara to impress the guys that are into looking femme.

I want real topics to be 'debated'. Stuff that effects me, my life and what it means to be a gay man in 2012.

How very dare they.

Let's kill them.


I'm trying not to be so angry of late.

But I still hate the pap that Jesse Matheson writes. It's like reading balls being scraped on a blunt and rusty grater

Phazz

Phazz said on the 5th Nov, 2012

I wouldn't, but each to their own.

Mama Catastrophe

Mama Catastrophe said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Should men wear makeup? Certainly not - its an abomination. Most of them cant blend to save their lives and even fewer can produce a perfect lip liner

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 5th Nov, 2012



hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa soooooooooooo true Mama

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 5th Nov, 2012

I'm lucky to be wearing pants half the time.
Let alone make up

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Like women wearing makeup the key is to be looking like your not wearing it ,unless your an emo or goph.Examples such as tammy faye baker show why makeup is bad.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Can lip gloss be considered make-up? I want Jack and Chris to debate that one.

meezon04

meezon04 said on the 5th Nov, 2012

Love it. Guys who aren't afraid to wear make-up that is. If it makes them look better and feel better by doing so, then good on them!
I've had twink housemates pile on the make-up before heading out clubbing, and I have to admit they looked flawless :)

eddie

eddie said on the 8th Nov, 2012

Each to their own, if you want to use makeup use it, if you need to use makeup because of an issue with your skin why not use it.

Keeping your skin clean and supple by using the right products should be more of a priority than caking on makeup.

Brightside05

Brightside05 said on the 9th Nov, 2012

These two guys are literally the face of the argument. If you're good looking like Jacky boy then make up is not necessary for him, and because of these good looks he is able to attract a man who is also good looking and does not need make up. While Chris is not as good looking so he feels he needs make up to secure his self confidence.

EggsBenedict

EggsBenedict said on the 12th Nov, 2012

Each to their own, if you want to use makeup use it, if you need to use makeup because of an issue with your skin why not use it.

Keeping your skin clean and supple by using the right products should be more of a priority than caking on makeup.

Agreed. And remember that some young dude with a bit of make-up might look kind of cute to some, that same queen's going to get older and older. And then it looks fucking tragic.

mark_

mark_ said on the 21st Nov, 2012

It's screening on TV this sunday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8JL78Pf8Ok