[SS Weekly] Brave Faces.

[Christian Taylor]

Hello again Same Samers,

Late last month Australia collectively clutched its pearls when they heard that a 14 year old girl had been strapped to a lie detector test and quizzed about her sex life on the Kyle and Jackie O breakfast show. What's worse, the mother organised the whole thing, knowing full well that her daughter had been raped at the age of 12. And not only that, but when Kyle realised what they were dealing with, he simply pushed on with the questions, asking if this was the only sexual experience she'd had. No wonder they've been dubbed 'Vile and Tacky O'.

Kyle claimed that his initial response was out of shock. However, we're not entirely convinced.

A number of years ago Kyle outed a nineteen year-old member of his staff on live radio. He dragged him into the studio, demanded to know if he was gay and outed him on air before he'd had a chance to think about what that meant to him or his loved ones. During a 2007 interview with Andrew Denton, Kyle was asked "Couldn't that have gone terribly wrong?"

"It could have... This kid was hugely dedicated to the show, really wanted to be a bigger part of the show and one day it just came up on air about homosexuals and I said 'oh you know everyone thinks you know you're gay. Are you or aren't you? Like let's get it out.'

When Kyle was asked if he'd considered the ethics of his actions, his simple response was 'No'.

"I just didn't even think about that," said Kyle. "Back in those days I would only think about what I thought was funny and entertaining and it wasn't until reflection once it had gone to air [that] everyone flipped out and everyone started saying 'you know ... this could have gone horribly wrong'. Luckily, it went quite well. He's a happy gay man to this day."

It went "quite well"? For Kyle perhaps. But who really knows what lay behind that young man's brave face that day? At least for now Kyle is off the air, and the brave face is his own.

Until next week,

Christian Taylor
National Editor

[Asherbella]

I hope Kyle will never be able to work on TV or radio again.
Interesting, the motto underneath his company logo ('King Kyle' ---King of what exactly? Nothing, that's what) reads 'TV, film, radio, multimedia' Film? What Australian film has Kyle ever appeared in? Who does he think he is - Eric Bana? Wanker.

[skiwi]

Kyle was a complete A-HOLE and im pleased what goes around comes a round good rid of the arogant jerk off

[Sonsie]

It is great to have fun and be different........but not at the expense of others.

We as a community dare to be different.........but always at the expense of ourselves!

Cheers

[johnvonahlen]

As a Registered Nurse I see enough tragedy on a daily basis, but to have some uneducated slob like Kyle Sandilands use teenage rape/homosexual outings as entertainment fodder is just disgraceful!

Shame on Kyle for broadcasting, and shame on everyone else for listening (except me because I don't listen to him! ;)

I love black humour as much as the next person (Nighty Night, anyone??) but some subjects are just off limits, or at least be framed in the right context so that the humour is not at the expense, or suffering, of a group/individual.

If I behaved the same way at my workplace I'm sure I would be dismissed immediately.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[DanM82]

To be honest, I think we forget that the mother is the key factor of this whole debacle. She knew what had happened but she asked the question anyways.

While Kyle kept on going with the question, I think that's more to his credit. Rather than dwell on the revelation, he picked up and moved forwards and didn't make a big deal out of it which could have affected the young woman more than it did. There have been two psychologists that I'm aware of who said similar things.

[Asherbella]

To be honest, I think we forget that the mother is the key factor of this whole debacle. She knew what had happened but she asked the question anyways.

While Kyle kept on going with the question, I think that's more to his credit. Rather than dwell on the revelation, he picked up and moved forwards and didn't make a big deal out of it which could have affected the young woman more than it did. There have been two psychologists that I'm aware of who said similar things.
Bullshit. The mother, her story, the emotional state of her daughter should have been assessed before they put the two in front of a microphone: then after researching the facts the radio station should have declined their participation in the segment altogether. They should've said 'A 14 year-old girl? Ask her about her sex life? No way'. Full stop.

[DanM82]

So much easier to point a finger at a prominent figure who didn't know the full situation than at a mother who was aware of the situation isn't it.

[Asherbella]

So much easier to point a finger at a prominent figure who didn't know the full situation than at a mother who was aware of the situation isn't it.
No self-respecting, responsible adult would even think of asking a minor about their sexual experiences live on-air - mother or no mother. The mother of this girl is not the programming director, is she?

[DanM82]

I don't believe it was anyone BUT the mother who asked the question. The MOTHER chose the questions and the MOTHER asked the questions. All well and good to say that the radio station should have asked the background, why would the MOTHER ask the question when she already knows the answer. She bares just as much fault as the radio station. It's unfair to just blame the hosts.

[TheOldie]

To be honest, I think we forget that the mother is the key factor of this whole debacle. She knew what had happened but she asked the question anyways.

While Kyle kept on going with the question, I think that's more to his credit. Rather than dwell on the revelation, he picked up and moved forwards and didn't make a big deal out of it which could have affected the young woman more than it did. There have been two psychologists that I'm aware of who said similar things.

I've gotta agree with you.

Kyle is a twat and deserves what has happened to him

But what of Jackie O ? and the mother ?

Kyle and Jackie O should not have had a 14 yr old on the show asking questions like that but the mother knew she had a sexual history and wanted to bring it out on air ???????????????? she should be charged with something as well.

[TheOldie]

I don't believe it was anyone BUT the mother who asked the question. The MOTHER chose the questions and the MOTHER asked the questions. All well and good to say that the radio station should have asked the background, why would the MOTHER ask the question when she already knows the answer. She bares just as much fault as the radio station. It's unfair to just blame the hosts.



The teenager’s mother brought her onto the 2DayFM segment to be questioned about her drug use and whether she had been having sex after she ran away from home.

When asked if she had ever had sex, the girl said: "I've already told you the story about this ... and don't look at me and smile because it's not funny."

She then raised her voice, saying: "Oh okay ... I got raped when I was 12 years old."

[naughtylion]

So much easier to point a finger at a prominent figure who didn't know the full situation than at a mother who was aware of the situation isn't it.

There are so many facets to this issue. Yes the mum shouldn't have let her daughter be involved. I don't know the mother, I can't comment on her ability to parent. She could be a prostitute. Yes that arrogant stupid fuck kyle should have handled it better, or at least ditch his pride and agree to work with a 10 second kill switch. Ultimately though, the blame has to sit with Austereo. They are the ones ultimately responsible for it. The should have pulled the plug. They should be able to control their staff. They should have overseen the segment instead of being 'yes' men. They are the ones that put this to air.

It isn't entirely fair to blame Kyle, but meh. He's a cunt. He chose to be famous for being a shit stirrer, and when you choose to walk that route, ur walking a very fine line. On one side you have no earning power and public indifference, and on the other you have public outrage. When you're walking in a shoestring in between the two, ur bound to fall off at one stage or another. It isn't an intelligent outlook or goal to be famous for pissing people off. Karma's a bitch. And when the media hates you, Australia will crucify you.

Its all a little hypocritical too, all the sponsors pulling their funding. They pay for Kyle because of his 'edge'. He makes them money. But then when he fucks it up, they all pull out. But such is show business lovey... ur not a person. Ur a cartoon, a brand... You belong to the people, and when the people think you've lost your flavour of the month appeal, they'll enjoy watching you burn.

I know I do.

And I mean c'mon... the guy drives a phantom on credit... speaks true to his arrogance and ultra ego. Douche.

[Asherbella]

I don't believe it was anyone BUT the mother who asked the question. The MOTHER chose the questions and the MOTHER asked the questions. All well and good to say that the radio station should have asked the background, why would the MOTHER ask the question when she already knows the answer. She bares just as much fault as the radio station. It's unfair to just blame the hosts.
Had the 'lie detector' segment not existed this would not have happened in the first place. Kyle & Jacki O (and their management) exploited a stupid mother & a damaged child. Full stop.

[lipstick]

Hello again Same Samers,

Late last month Australia collectively clutched its pearls when they heard that a 14 year old girl had been strapped to a lie detector test and quizzed about her sex life on the Kyle and Jackie O breakfast show. What's worse, the mother organised the whole thing, knowing full well that her daughter had been raped at the age of 12. And not only that, but when Kyle realised what they were dealing with, he simply pushed on with the questions, asking if this was the only sexual experience she'd had. No wonder they've been dubbed 'Vile and Tacky O'.

Kyle claimed that his initial response was out of shock. However, we're not entirely convinced.

A number of years ago Kyle outed a nineteen year-old member of his staff on live radio. He dragged him into the studio, demanded to know if he was gay and outed him on air before he'd had a chance to think about what that meant to him or his loved ones. During a 2007 interview with Andrew Denton, Kyle was asked "Couldn't that have gone terribly wrong?"

"It could have... This kid was hugely dedicated to the show, really wanted to be a bigger part of the show and one day it just came up on air about homosexuals and I said 'oh you know everyone thinks you know you're gay. Are you or aren't you? Like let's get it out.'

When Kyle was asked if he'd considered the ethics of his actions, his simple response was 'No'.

"I just didn't even think about that," said Kyle. "Back in those days I would only think about what I thought was funny and entertaining and it wasn't until reflection once it had gone to air [that] everyone flipped out and everyone started saying 'you know ... this could have gone horribly wrong'. Luckily, it went quite well. He's a happy gay man to this day."

It went "quite well"? For Kyle perhaps. But who really knows what lay behind that young man's brave face that day? At least for now Kyle is off the air, and the brave face is his own.

Until next week,

Christian Taylor
National Editor
Ok I just have to say that what hapenned on the Kyle and Jackie o show was horrific. But let's not confuse Kyles uncomfortable shock with being homo-phobic. As a lesbian and knowing the man himself, he is no different to a drag-queen, an actor or a performer. Whether we like it or not, he has created a business by being a personality. Unfortunatly for him, he mixed the threads that day between his normal self and the actor he plays that earns him a living by asking that silly follow on question. This man has made a living by being by being a charachter, which to some extent may have dulled the real Kyle. But let me assure you, he is no homophobe nor a monster.... Merely a man who made a very stupid business decision....which in the world of dealing with human beings is everything. That's the differance between a salesman and a celebrity peronality

[DanM82]

From the replies on here it's nice to see that life is so black and white and clear cut. It's all the fault of Kyle and Jackie O. No, no... it's alright people. No one else needs to put up there hand and accept any sort of blame. Just like the religious right don't need to acknowledge their part in persecution and America didn't train Osama Bin Laden. It's fine people, please sit back in your seats, we have this covered.

[Asherbella]

From the replies on here it's nice to see that life is so black and white and clear cut. It's all the fault of Kyle and Jackie O. No, no... it's alright people. No one else needs to put up there hand and accept any sort of blame. Just like the religious right don't need to acknowledge their part in persecution and America didn't train Osama Bin Laden. It's fine people, please sit back in your seats, we have this covered.
The segment was devised, conducted & directed by Kyle & Jacki O.
They didn't screen their participants.
No 7 second delay button was pushed when the allegation of rape was disclosed.
On top of this, Kyle, in his infinite insensitivity & stupidity, thoughtlessly said 'Was that your first (sexual) experience?'
The only redeeming feature of the segment was Jacki's clumsy comment about arranging counselling services. They didn't cut to a commercial, no apology, just business as usual with innane, dumb radio banter....

[Sonsie]

To be honest, I think we forget that the mother is the key factor of this whole debacle. She knew what had happened but she asked the question anyways.

While Kyle kept on going with the question, I think that's more to his credit. Rather than dwell on the revelation, he picked up and moved forwards and didn't make a big deal out of it which could have affected the young woman more than it did. There have been two psychologists that I'm aware of who said similar things.

I think before continuing with our comments, did anyone see Mediawatch the night before?

Here is the link that you may have to copy to your brower.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2644599.htm

Cheers

[marktee]

I hate Kyle as much as the next decent human being but he is far from the only bigot in radio. Sure he stepped way over the line with this poor raped girl and my hate runs much more deeply after hearing this outing story, but the fact of the matter is, our radio airwaves are full of ignorance and hate.

Alan Jones, John Laws, Brian Wilshire and Adelaide's Steve Price are just some of the big offenders. We a better and more enforcable code of conduct to reduce the spread of hatred and discriminatory views.

Mark
http://hiremarks.com

[peterg]

This issue's outrage factor is commensurate with the oxygen it is given - and the listeners the show attracts which are pretty much at the lower end of 74% of the population with below average intelligence - you get what u wish for.

[naughtylion]

Alan Jones, John Laws, Brian Wilshire and Adelaide's Steve Price are just some of the big offenders.

While they are bigots also, they are educated people.

Kyle is an idiot that grew up on the streets. I'm seen him make a dick of himself too many times.

[DanM82]

The segment was devised, conducted & directed by Kyle & Jacki O.
They didn't screen their participants.
No 7 second delay button was pushed when the allegation of rape was disclosed.
On top of this, Kyle, in his infinite insensitivity & stupidity, thoughtlessly said 'Was that your first (sexual) experience?'
The only redeeming feature of the segment was Jacki's clumsy comment about arranging counselling services. They didn't cut to a commercial, no apology, just business as usual with innane, dumb radio banter....

So, how's the high horse travelling now considering the interview on ACA last night where the family solely lay blame on the mother for asking the question and actually cast doubt on the fact that it was a rape. As the aunts said, there was a girl on the top bunk, the alleged victim was drunk and the alleged perpetrator had time to stop on put on a condom. I see a lot of apologies being owed to Kyle and Jackie.

[Asherbella]

So, how's the high horse travelling now considering the interview on ACA last night where the family solely lay blame on the mother for asking the question and actually cast doubt on the fact that it was a rape. As the aunts said, there was a girl on the top bunk, the alleged victim was drunk and the alleged perpetrator had time to stop on put on a condom. I see a lot of apologies being owed to Kyle and Jackie.
A Current Affair is now the community's collective moral compass?
They took the angle they did for RATINGS not REALITY.:rolleyes:

[Asherbella]

Kyle needs to disappear from TV and radio in Australia for a year if he wants longevity, credibility in the industry. Before he does he needs to apologize to the girl & to his listeners. Kyle needs to leave Australia, move to New Zealand or the USA for a while. Jacki O needs to lay low, too, until the end of the year. Both need to be seen fundraising for children's charities upon their return & only then, I reckon, the slate will be clean. Kyle needs to re-vamp his image, lose weight (those tuck shop arms of his ain't pretty) hire a stylist, shave off the beard, educate himself on ethical broadcasting outlines & develop a new persona, drop the arrogance & start again. They've both hit rock bottom & it's a great opportunity for them to re-invent themselves.

[DanM82]

Kyle needs to disappear from TV and radio in Australia for a year if he wants longevity, credibility in the industry. Before he does he needs to apologize to the girl & to his listeners. Kyle needs to leave Australia, move to New Zealand or the USA for a while. Jacki O needs to lay low, too, until the end of the year. Both need to be seen fundraising for children's charities upon their return & only then, I reckon, the slate will be clean. Kyle needs to re-vamp his image, lose weight (those tuck shop arms of his ain't pretty) hire a stylist, shave off the beard, educate himself on ethical broadcasting outlines & develop a new persona, drop the arrogance & start again. They've both hit rock bottom & it's a great opportunity for them to re-invent themselves.

You're no oil paining yourself y'know.

[Asherbella]

You're no oil paining yourself y'know.
I think for the sake of starting a fresh, the public would respond favourably if Kyle looked different/healthier/more pleasing to the eye so as to cast off old perceptions. Not so much about Kyle being 'ugly' but visually speaking the public need to see a change in him if he's going to have a chance at making a successful comeback.

[DanM82]

I think for the sake of starting a fresh, the public would respond favourably if Kyle looked different/healthier/more pleasing to the eye so as to cast off old perceptions. Not so much about Kyle being 'ugly' but visually speaking the public need to see a change in him if he's going to have a chance at making a successful comeback.

Where do you get this shit? Dr Phil or Oprah?

What was that thing about accepting people as they are? :confused:

[Asherbella]

Where do you get this shit? Dr Phil or Oprah?

What was that thing about accepting people as they are? :confused:
The reality is the public have unanimously rejected Kyle as he is right now. You can't deny or escape that fact. His radio show is in 'recess'. He's lost the Australian Idol gig. Optus have revoked their advertising from the Austereo network because of the association of Kyle & his handling of a stupid radio skit that centred around a raped child in trauma being hooked up to a lie detector. Kyle needs to make a change. That's the reality.

[DanM82]

No, there has been a mass knee jerk reaction. As was pointed out previously... there is doubt within the family that the rape actually occurred. The seem to make out that it was more consensual than rape.

Evil Kyle, Nasty Kyle, Horrible Kyle... again, you have Kyle in your crosshairs without putting any responsibility on anyone else. Open your mind a little bit and share blame around where blame is due. He's not without blame but there is responsibility on the producers part, Jackie's part, the mother's part... what do you really have against Kyle? This is more than an opinion ... it's bordering on obsession. Did he refuse to give you an autograph or something?

[Asherbella]

No, there has been a mass knee jerk reaction. As was pointed out previously... there is doubt within the family that the rape actually occurred. The seem to make out that it was more consensual than rape.

Evil Kyle, Nasty Kyle, Horrible Kyle... again, you have Kyle in your crosshairs without putting any responsibility on anyone else. Open your mind a little bit and share blame around where blame is due. He's not without blame but there is responsibility on the producers part, Jackie's part, the mother's part... what do you really have against Kyle? This is more than an opinion ... it's bordering on obsession. Did he refuse to give you an autograph or something?
Yes, and 'mass knee jerk reactions' (in this instance absolutely appropriate) have the power to destroy celebrity careers. What media publicist or agent in their right mind would touch Kyle right now? Hello???
Regardless of the nature or circumstances of the rape, no adult should roll a condom on their dick and f*ck a 12 year-old girl. That's disgusting & even more disgusting is your rationale trying to justify the abuse of a 12 year-old girl, regardless of whether the bloke was drunk or not.
The segment should not have involved under-aged persons to interrogate (especially given the nature of questioning), a 14 year-old girl under NSW law can not give their consent to be interviewed and her mother should have been rejected by 2DayFM management as a participant in the program for being emotionally exploitative of her daughter. Again, if the lie detector test skit was not in place, there would have been no appearance by the mother & daughter.

[DanM82]

I never made comment about the male being drunk, it was signified that the girl was drunk, nor have I seen anywhere the age of the perpetrator or have I said the age. Don't try and call me disgusting when your own attitude over the entire scenario is questionable. Your high horse is only on stilts.

The segment could have been amusing if it had been a husband and wife etc. Are you related to this family or something because you are hellbent on exonerating the family and only laying claim that Kyle is 100% at fault, only Kyle is 100% at fault. What is your grudge against the man? There is fault that can be laid on multiple people in reality but not in yours apparently. Wait, wait... you auditioned for Australian Idol and he told you that you were terrible?

[Asherbella]

I never made comment about the male being drunk, it was signified that the girl was drunk, nor have I seen anywhere the age of the perpetrator or have I said the age. Don't try and call me disgusting when your own attitude over the entire scenario is questionable. Your high horse is only on stilts.

The segment could have been amusing if it had been a husband and wife etc. Are you related to this family or something because you are hellbent on exonerating the family and only laying claim that Kyle is 100% at fault, only Kyle is 100% at fault. What is your grudge against the man? There is fault that can be laid on multiple people in reality but not in yours apparently. Wait, wait... you auditioned for Australian Idol and he told you that you were terrible?
I've heard the segment. Five times. The girl said she was scared. The girl said she was raped. Then Kyle asks 'Was that your first experience?' The girl's first sexual experience was rape & Kyle pushes forward, no emotion in his voice, and makes the girl cry, re-living the experience of being raped.......

[DanM82]

He pushed forwards, he didn't dwell on it, he asked about other experiences. That is what should have been done. He acknowledged it. Mental health professionals have said that is the right thing to do. As for no emotion in his voice, I have heard the segment too - he sounded uncertain with how to proceed. When have you ever heard Kyle Sandilands uncertain?

The MOTHER had PRIOR knowledge of the incident, yet she asked the question. She admitted she knew about the incident on air. Why did she ask the question? Please justify it to me. You're willing to crucify Kyle over hosting the segment, crucify the mother as well for dragging the daughter through that memory with her question as well.

From reports today, Kyle is willing to apologise but he has been gagged by the radio station.

[Asherbella]

He pushed forwards, he didn't dwell on it, he asked about other experiences. That is what should have been done. He acknowledged it. Mental health professionals have said that is the right thing to do. As for no emotion in his voice, I have heard the segment too - he sounded uncertain with how to proceed. When have you ever heard Kyle Sandilands uncertain?

The MOTHER had PRIOR knowledge of the incident, yet she asked the question. She admitted she knew about the incident on air. Why did she ask the question? Please justify it to me. You're willing to crucify Kyle over hosting the segment, crucify the mother as well for dragging the daughter through that memory with her question as well.

From reports today, Kyle is willing to apologise but he has been gagged by the radio station.
Who came up with the idea 'Let's interview a 14 year-old girl about her sex life, hook her up to a lie detector polygraph machine, make her squirm, chuck in a few snippets of *nudge, nudge, wink, wink* humour for our listeners & pretend we're the Department of Community services for 5 minutes, while being totally ignorant of her past experiences? The mother seems stupidly willing to do it, so let's just do it! Yeah, that's a great idea! :rolleyes:
....and while we're at it....a lie detector machine....where did they get it from???

[DanM82]

Who came up with the idea 'Let's interview a 14 year-old girl about her sex life, hook her up to a lie detector polygraph machine, make her squirm, chuck in a few snippets of *nudge, nudge, wink, wink* humour for our listeners & pretend we're the Department of Community services for 5 minutes, while being totally ignorant of her past experiences? The mother seems stupidly willing to do it, so let's just do it! Yeah, that's a great idea! :rolleyes:
....and while we're at it....a lie detector machine....where did they get it from???

I don't know ... who did come up with the idea? You're the one telling this story. I haven't actually heard who thought it would be a good segment.

[Asherbella]

I don't know ... who did come up with the idea? You're the one telling this story. I haven't actually heard who thought it would be a good segment.
Exactly. Thank you. Had 2DayFM been ethically-minded in the first place to NOT devise a *comedy* skit that involved the systematic questioning of a vulnerable kid, no interview of an under-age girl would've taken place, no disclosure of rape, no tears, so stupid mother to blame...
Austereo are investigating their 'protocols & procedures'. They've gagged Kyle & Jacki O. Why? Because Kyle has a track record of saying unpredictable, inflammatory things. Jacki O has been gagged too only because they wanted Kyle to shut up, so in the name of equality, Jacki can't say a word, either.

[DanM82]

My original meaning was I haven't heard who came up with the idea. I have never said anything about the segment being a good idea when including a minor.

By your own words 2DayFM are the culpable party. Stop levelling the crosshairs at Kyle.

[Asherbella]

My original meaning was I haven't heard who came up with the idea. I have never said anything about the segment being a good idea when including a minor.

By your own words 2DayFM are the culpable party. Stop levelling the crosshairs at Kyle.

I'm sure given his ratings record, Kyle was given a huge say in on-air content, his ego big enough to direct the style/substance of *his* show. Remember, it's the KYLE and Jacki O show, not the JACKI O & Kyle Show.
And being the strong personality he is, Kyle could've had the chutzpah to say to management 'No, I refuse to do this segment'. But he didn't. Since when has Kyle been known for doing something he doesn't want to do?

[DanM82]

Again, all you seem to be able to do is point the finger solely at Kyle and it shows minimal ability to focus on more than one thing at once. There are other culpable parties whether you want to admit it or not. Mostly not in your case.

[Asherbella]

Again, all you seem to be able to do is point the finger solely at Kyle and it shows minimal ability to focus on more than one thing at once. There are other culpable parties whether you want to admit it or not. Mostly not in your case.
Yes, but Kyle put them to air, conducted the majority of the skit, it probably was his idea (and even if it wasn't he could've said no) & upon the rape issue surfacing refused to go to ad break and pushed ahead with all the tact & compassion of bull in a china shop. The popularity of Kyle's work has laid squarely in his ability to ruffle feathers & get people upset. If that's your signature meal ticket for radio success, fine, but just don't cry foul if your brand of *entertainment* backfires. No research into the history of the child was explored, the mother was not screened for her mental capacity (why would ANY sane, respectable person put their child at the mercy of two untrained shock jocks for entertainment purposes...) & Kyle initially tried to shift blame without having taken any responsibility for the development/execution of the skit.

[DanM82]

You're dodging the truth again. "Yes, but..." that's the sole basis of your argument. You refuse to share the blame, you want to crucify one person. We're back to biblical times here where the Jewish people cried out for Barabas and offered Christ for crucifixion.

The mother asked the question she knew the answer to and dragged up the pain for the daughter, but you're crying for her freedom (that and all other culpable parties) while condemning Kyle. Amazing how history repeats.

[Asherbella]

You're dodging the truth again. "Yes, but..." that's the sole basis of your argument. You refuse to share the blame, you want to crucify one person. We're back to biblical times here where the Jewish people cried out for Barabas and offered Christ for crucifixion.

The mother asked the question she knew the answer to and dragged up the pain for the daughter, but you're crying for her freedom (that and all other culpable parties) while condemning Kyle. Amazing how history repeats.
Red herring stuff.
Kyle's show.
His guests.
His responsibility.
The mother & daughter were clearly unfit to be put to air.
They were anyway.
Why?

[DanM82]

You're a master of smoke screens. You've missed the point of the argument... why did the mother ask a question she already knew the answer to?

[Asherbella]

You're a master of smoke screens. You've missed the point of the argument... why did the mother ask a question she already knew the answer to?
Why did Kyle & his team NOT research the history of the child before going to air?
Why would ANY respectable person think it a good idea to interrogate a CHILD about their sex life on live radio and then think that to be quality entertainment for an early morning listening audience? Hello????

[hazyinseptember]

I've certainly pissed off a lot of journos over the years but I'm sad that they're using the rape of a 12-year-old girl to have a go at me.


:rolleyes:

[Asherbella]

I've just tried to look for 'Kyle Sandiland' in the Same Same search engine as a member name & got nothing...which thread did you paste that quote from, Hazy?

[hazyinseptember]

its not.. its from

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2644599.htm

[DanM82]

Why did Kyle & his team NOT research the history of the child before going to air?
Why would ANY respectable person think it a good idea to interrogate a CHILD about their sex life on live radio and then think that to be quality entertainment for an early morning listening audience? Hello????


Why did the mother ask it? Share the blame! I'm not trying to absolve the blame from Kyle but it needs to be shared. It's not that really harder concept to understand.

[Asherbella]

Why did the mother ask it? Share the blame! I'm not trying to absolve the blame from Kyle but it needs to be shared. It's not that really harder concept to understand.
The mother 'asked it' because the bloody segment that lead to the scandal was devised & recorded & broadcast in the bloody first place! Jesus wept! I can't break it down for you simpler than that. Answer my questions. Why wasn't the research done before the broadcast to ascertain the nature of the girls' past sexual experience AND why would a commercial radio station find it acceptable to even THINK about questioning a CHILD about her sex life LIVE ON-AIR while being IGNORANT of her history AND then EXPECT that concept to be entertaining for an early morning listening audience. ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS!

[DanM82]

The mother 'asked it' because the bloody segment that lead to the scandal was devised & recorded & broadcast in the bloody first place! Jesus wept! I can't break it down for you simpler than that. Answer my questions. Why wasn't the research done before the broadcast to ascertain the nature of the girls' past sexual experience AND why would a commercial radio station find it acceptable to even THINK about questioning a CHILD about her sex life LIVE ON-AIR while being IGNORANT of her history AND then EXPECT that concept to be entertaining for an early morning listening audience. ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS!

Because the whole concept was to have no idea of what would be announced on air so that it would be 'edgy'. That's why no research was done. It would be live and unrehearsed.

Now you answer the question... Why did the mother WHO KNEW ABOUT THE RAPE ask the question when she could have vetoed it?

[Sonsie]

again.....

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2644599.htm

[Asherbella]

Because the whole concept was to have no idea of what would be announced on air so that it would be 'edgy'. That's why no research was done. It would be live and unrehearsed.

Now you answer the question... Why did the mother WHO KNEW ABOUT THE RAPE ask the question when she could have vetoed it?
2DAYFM should have have the intellectual, ethical, emotional & logical common sense to forsee that such a morally unjustifiable interview involving a child given the extremely private & potentially traumatic issue would backfire. That's why radio stations have MANAGERS. Sheesh! The manager would have been AWARE of the day's schedule & the names/ages of all participants involved for the shift that morning. They allowed Kyle & Jacki O do to whatever they f*ck they liked without a safety net. Why?

[DanM82]

2DAYFM should have have the intellectual, ethical, emotional & logical common sense to forsee that such a morally unjustifiable interview involving a child given the extremely private & potentially traumatic issue would backfire. That's why radio stations have MANAGERS. Sheesh! The manager would have been AWARE of the day's schedule & the names/ages of all participants involved for the shift that morning. They allowed Kyle & Jacki O do to whatever they f*ck they liked without a safety net. Why?

You demanded that I answer your question yet you can't do the same back when challenged. You're not will to consider anything other than your way and opinion so it's a waste of time and internet download trying to get you to see reason. The attempt to get you to be fair to ALL PARTIES in the laying of blame has been incredibly futile and taken what probably adds up to half a day of my life that I will never get back. Thank you so much. I pity when someone blames you wholly and solely for something that is shared blame. Good luck with that yeah?

[Asherbella]

You demanded that I answer your question yet you can't do the same back when challenged. You're not will to consider anything other than your way and opinion so it's a waste of time and internet download trying to get you to see reason. The attempt to get you to be fair to ALL PARTIES in the laying of blame has been incredibly futile and taken what probably adds up to half a day of my life that I will never get back. Thank you so much. I pity when someone blames you wholly and solely for something that is shared blame. Good luck with that yeah?
Are you Kyle's secret fuck buddy or something? Has he paid you to be his sock puppet on Same Same? OMG! I'm saying that even the CONCEPT of interviewing a CHILD about her SEX LIFE on live breakfast radio (or any other public forum) is UNJUSTIFIABLE & should not have even been considered....what is your opinion on that? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[DanM82]

Are you Kyle's secret fuck buddy or something? Has he paid you to be his sock puppet on Same Same? OMG! I'm saying that even the CONCEPT of interviewing a CHILD about her SEX LIFE on live breakfast radio (or any other public forum) is UNJUSTIFIABLE & should not have even been considered....what is your opinion on that? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

I knew I shouldn't have wasted the download checking this reply. No, I'm not Kyle's fuck buddy or any such thing and find it somewhat appalling that the intonation, no matter how in jest it is, be made. Especially considering the speculation that would cast on his new marriage.

I don't think it was a good idea to discuss what would be illegal activities with a minor on radio (statutory rape). I also have the common sense to attribute blame to more than one person - a quality you are sadly lacking.

You can't see an entire argument or any other point of view. Please tell me where I have once said that Kyle is completely without blame? Well? Where? I have attributed blame across several persons including Kyle.

Now next time you need to discuss an opinion try and keep your mind as open as your closet door. Or at least make sure your head is on straight so the shit dribbles out evenly on both sides. As of now, I remove myself from this thread any further less I have to lower my IQ further to be able to use simpler concepts for others to understand.

[Asherbella]

I knew I shouldn't have wasted the download checking this reply. No, I'm not Kyle's fuck buddy or any such thing and find it somewhat appalling that the intonation, no matter how in jest it is, be made.

I don't think it was a good idea to discuss what would be illegal activities with a minor on radio (statutory rape). I also have the common sense to attribute blame to more than one person - a quality you are sadly lacking.

You can't see an entire argument or any other point of view. Please tell me where I have once said that Kyle is completely without blame? Well? Where? I have attributed blame across several persons including Kyle.

Now next time you need to discuss an opinion try and keep your mind as open as your closet door. Or at least make sure your head is on straight so the shit dribbles out evenly on both sides. As of now, I remove myself from this thread any further less I have to lower my IQ further to be able to use simpler concepts for others to understand.
OK. Point 1
I believe that the mother was unfit to give her consent for her child to be interviewed on radio. No sane, responsible mother would do that to her child, especially given her knowledge of her child having been raped 2 years prior. Right? Are you with me? The fact no 2DAY FM employee attempted to research the family history is tantamount to professional misconduct, especially given Kyle & Jacki O are not qualified as child psychologists.

Point 2
I believe that what would've been the glaring & obviously tacky, potentially damaging & morally unjustifable CONCEPT of conducting a polygraph inquisition on a child (you conduct a polygraph test on an arrested CRIMINAL not an innocent child) & quiz her about her sex life is UNACCEPTABLE and should have been dismissed the first time it was mentioned, let alone conducted & broadcast.
Point 3
Kyle & Jacki O were LAUGHING upon hearing that the CHILD was SCARED.
Upon hearing about the rape, Kyle asked the poor girl the question 'Right....(3 second pause to digest, think & respond) Was that your first experience?' WTF???