Dan Matthews - Beast Of Burden

[rapple]

It's Mathews with one T not two!
Us poor people with only one T have to make a stand!

[Christian Taylor]

thanks rapple! i love it. long live "single T pride".

[rheiner]

"Having a pair of Prada shoes is not self defence." Love it. Cool article too... nice to see someone trying to open out the concept of respect more broadly instead of everyone sticking to their own little issue.

[etbmfa]

7 Things You Didn't Know About PeTA

1. PeTA has stated repeatedly that their goal is "total animal liberation." This means no pets, no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no fishing, no hunting, no farming, no leather, and no animal testing for lifesaving medicines.
2. PeTA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals.
3. PeTA funds the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine an animal-rights organization that presents itself as an unbiased source for nutritional information and has links to violent animal-rights groups called SHAC and ALF.
4. PeTA has used their contributors tax-exempt donations to fund the North American Earth Liberation front and the Animal Liberation Front, FBI-certified domestic terrorist groups responsible for fire bombs and death threats.
5. PeTA regularly targets kids as early as elementary school with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda. They are totally opposed to traditional farming methods.
6. PeTA spends less than one percent of its $13 million budget actually caring for animals. PeTA kills animals.
7. PeTA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases.
source: www.consumerfreedom.com

[etbmfa]

7 Things You Didn't Know About PeTA

1. PeTA has stated repeatedly that their goal is "total animal liberation." This means no pets, no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no fishing, no hunting, no farming, no leather, and no animal testing for lifesaving medicines.
2. PeTA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals.
3. PeTA funds the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine an animal-rights organization that presents itself as an unbiased source for nutritional information and has links to violent animal-rights groups called SHAC and ALF.
4. PeTA has used their contributors tax-exempt donations to fund the North American Earth Liberation front and the Animal Liberation Front, FBI-certified domestic terrorist groups responsible for fire bombs and death threats.
5. PeTA regularly targets kids as early as elementary school with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda. They are totally opposed to traditional farming methods.
6. PeTA spends less than one percent of its $13 million budget actually caring for animals. PeTA kills animals.
7. PeTA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases.
source: www.consumerfreedom.com

[etbmfa]

7 Things You Didn't Know About PeTA

1. PeTA has stated repeatedly that their goal is "total animal liberation." This means no pets, no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no fishing, no hunting, no farming, no leather, and no animal testing for lifesaving medicines.
2. PeTA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals.
3. PeTA funds the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine an animal-rights organization that presents itself as an unbiased source for nutritional information and has links to violent animal-rights groups called SHAC and ALF.
4. PeTA has used their contributors tax-exempt donations to fund the North American Earth Liberation front and the Animal Liberation Front, FBI-certified domestic terrorist groups responsible for fire bombs and death threats.
5. PeTA regularly targets kids as early as elementary school with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda. They are totally opposed to traditional farming methods.
6. PeTA spends less than one percent of its $13 million budget actually caring for animals. PeTA kills animals.
7. PeTA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases.
source: www.consumerfreedom.com

[etbmfa]

7 Things You Didn't Know About PeTA

1. PeTA has stated repeatedly that their goal is "total animal liberation." This means no pets, no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no fishing, no hunting, no farming, no leather, and no animal testing for lifesaving medicines.
2. PeTA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals.
3. PeTA funds the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine an animal-rights organization that presents itself as an unbiased source for nutritional information and has links to violent animal-rights groups called SHAC and ALF.
4. PeTA has used their contributors tax-exempt donations to fund the North American Earth Liberation front and the Animal Liberation Front, FBI-certified domestic terrorist groups responsible for fire bombs and death threats.
5. PeTA regularly targets kids as early as elementary school with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda. They are totally opposed to traditional farming methods.
6. PeTA spends less than one percent of its $13 million budget actually caring for animals. PeTA kills animals.
7. PeTA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases.
source: www.consumerfreedom.com

[rheiner]

I always find it a bit oddly hysterical the way people in the west baulk at concepts like "no meat" and "no milk" when a signficant proportion of the global population goes without these things on a daily basis.

And no circuses? Sounds like a step forward to me...

[dreadcircus]

Deff good points.. I've been a supporter of Peta for over a year and would gladly involve my band in anything they were doing.. In fact I'm thinking this weekend I'm going to hit the clubs in a nice jacket made from bigoted humans.. ohh I can just hear the comments "Phew not only is that white jacket vulgar but it smells like offal or john howards attitude.. gross!

[shaynesydney]

PETA also started the war in Iraq, etbmfa, and eat Kraft Kitten Paste on toast for breakfast every morning. Don't be such a nobhead. :rolleyes:

[Thephotomaker]

Does Dan Matthews really support Pink's stance on mulesing?

Maybe we could introduce the other side of the story....http://www.woolisbest.com/animal_welfare/mulesing/

[shaynesydney]

Photodude, there is no cred in posting arguments by the Australian Wool Industry. I mean, like they don't have an agenda. You can google evidence of anything you want. The kangaroo slaughter industry also has sites full of rationales. However, regarding mulesing, a group called 'Australian Wool Innovation' has been trialling a clip and an injection system, which removes wool from the breach and tails of lambs. Lambs with the clips grew to 26 kilos, while the mulesed lambs grew to 24 kilos. I also believe the CSIRO is experiment with genetic techniques. While the clips are still in the research and development phase, but it sure sounds a whole better avenue to follow, than the cruel methods advocated on the site you recommended.

[hazyinseptember]

1 thing we knew about etbmfa

1) has to spam to get his/her point across..

[shaynesydney]

Well golly, the whole point is that we have a choice to cause harm or not in our lives. No one is judging your choices. The PETA campaigns simply try to make people aware of the suffering they might be causing in their lifestyle choices. I think it's good to know we can live with a little loving compassion for all things that breathe, and that we can easily do without those things that mean a life of hell for many of our four footed/finned friends.

[taylor-dayne]

hey shayne - i am with you. i've seen mulesing first hand and it's disgusting. imagine having skin hacked off of you downstairs without pain relief. so cruel... sure, PETA's methods can be heavy handed at times, but no more heavy handed than slaughter houses or ivory poachers. this is a really good article becuase at the core of it, it's saying - lets be kinder to one another.

[Thephotomaker]

Photodude, there is no cred in posting arguments by the Australian Wool Industry. I mean, like they don't have an agenda. You can google evidence of anything you want. The kangaroo slaughter industry also has sites full of rationales. However, regarding mulesing, a group called 'Australian Wool Innovation' has been trialling a clip and an injection system, which removes wool from the breach and tails of lambs. Lambs with the clips grew to 26 kilos, while the mulesed lambs grew to 24 kilos. I also believe the CSIRO is experiment with genetic techniques. While the clips are still in the research and development phase, but it sure sounds a whole better avenue to follow, than the cruel methods advocated on the site you recommended.

I'm all for the cause of respect towards our fellow inhabitants of this earth. BdyHLL, I gawk at even using pesticides for kitchen cockroaches. I get it. And I really do want to make sure we do our best by those around us, but Shayne I think its really important not to give just one side of every story. There are yes, a many ways to improve every systems care of animals. And I think everything should be done into pressuring every industry to ship-shape. The squeaky wheel gets the oil right?

However, nothing beats understanding the story from both sides, that way when anyone of us is confronted with someone who knows a great deal of what they are talking about, we can understand their argument and turn it on it's pretty little bum.

I guess it just scares me when I see an article that is so incredibly onesided (even if ironically enough I do agree with its side) It scares me because people can walk away from this kind of article in some sense whitewashed by its messages, passively accepting its ideas rather than actively engaging with the topic. Yes, this is primarily an article about the interesting link of respect between gay rights and animal rights .... but it also touches on so many other issues without being brave enough to look at the issue from the whole way around.

Isn't that something that should be important to us?
Shouldn't we seek to inform and enquire?
Rather than just advertise the ideas of who ever we are interviewing?


Lemme know :D

[shaynesydney]

I'm not sure what you are asking me, Thephotomaker. Would you like me to tell you that rabbits enjoy having their eyes propped open so cosmetic manufacturers can drip their product into them until they are blind? Or that minks like having their heads stuffed into jars to suffocate them without damaging the pelt. And kid goats loive the bath in boiling water to make their pelt soft? Or that kangaroos that end up being skinned alive because of imprecise killing methods are happy about it? And their orphaned joeys skip for joy? Or that the millions of cats and dogs kept in horrendous conditions for the faux fur trade across Asia like the lifestyle? Or that pigs that we keep in metal cages too small for them to even turn around are contented? There are 1000's of instances where animals suffer horrendously to feed our endless need for gratification. Before you tuck into your bacon and eggs, you might like to consider the suffering of animals in battery farms. Dan Matthews is a man who has made it his mission to educate consumers so that they can make informed choices about what harm they contribute to the animal world. In each instance of cruelty there is an alternative choice we can make. I think that is a good thing to know. I think that in choosing to cause little harm, we feel better about ourselves, and that can only make the world a better place.

[alison87]

Mmmm. Bacon.

[shaynesydney]

Mmmmm...good karma. Sign here: http://www.liveexport-indefensible.com/vote_against_animal_cruelty/

[Thephotomaker]

sorry shayne. i didn't want to give you the idea i supported any of that.. or that i even eat meat. Just was trying to generate some debate on the topic.



(edited for bad spelling :))