Police Harrasment

[datkindagal]

even though this isnt a transphobic incident its worth mentioning. I will be contacting the NSW Police Ombudsman on Monday.

I can't tell this story without exposing my weekness so go easy on me.

I have been suffering from clinical depression for a good part of my life, I have now been diagnosed as "maybe" being Bi Polar however I have to spend a day at the Blackdog Bi Polar clinic to confirm this diagnosis.

I am currently homeless and have been living in hotels on TA Temporary Accomodation through DOH now Human Services (<-1984?).

I have spent a few days sleeping in my car, I have been accepted into a new housing program and should be housed in the next few weeks.

yesterday I was struggling with suicidal thoughts which is a coomon theme for me, I have had several attempts and have self harmed.

I have done some psychology and understand and have some insight into my issues. So I do have an idea on what I should being doing to help myselff.

Anyway after a bad day yesterday i decided to call Lifeline as thats what I do when i get these awful thoughts. I had no credit on my phone and was not getting any saticfaction on the hotel phone so I called tripple 000 to see they could connect me to lifeline. This is where my trouble started. instead of linking me with life line they got some info from me and sent the police.

Actually the police were knocking at my door whilst i was on the phone. Anyway it was to young female cops (babies) there said they would take me to the kilo centre in randwick to talk to a psych there. I agreed. I sat in the back of the pig sedan for 5 minutes and asked them why we havent gone yet. The 2 children police persons informed me they had a paddy wagon on the way.

From that moment they lost me, I wont be picked up in public like that and treated like a criminal when i've done nothing wrong. I got out of the vehicle and said I'v had enough I'm just going to go to bed and sleep it all off.

From that moment on the paddy wagon turned up and they started physically restraining me and trying to put hand cuffs on me. 4 cops then led me out to the paddy wagon and slammed me up against the side of the van. I was holding on to my bag and they bent my wrist backwards until I let go. mind you there's 4 of them and they are all trying to restrain me but were hurting me physically. They had my arm behind my back and again tried to put cuffs on me, again a refused and reminded them that I'm not a criminal.

I spent like 20 minutes with a psych and she informed me that police do this all the time. They traumatise people. They are supposed to call the acute care team, I actually dont think they have one. After working in Welfare I saw them once. Its usually always the police.

Young, and I mean under 25 year old cops are so fucking brainless and punch happy.

All they did is scare me from calling anyone else again in fear of police assault.

Maroubra Police Constable Hayward I am coming for your badge you little shit.

sorry i needed to vent

[marky markywicz]

An appalling account.
Cindi I am so very sorry to read this.
I am both devastated for you and sorry I am not closer to be able to reach out to you.

Whilst I have the utmost respect for our police forces there is always room for additional training in areas such as this.
I am certain out of this negative experience you will bring attention to this deficiency within the force via the ombudsmen's office.

[Martha Stewart]

An appalling account.
Cindi I am so very sorry to read this.
I am both devastated for you and sorry I am not closer to be able to reach out to you.

Whilst I have the utmost respect for our police forces there is always room for additional training in areas such as this.
I am certain out of this negative experience you will bring attention to this deficiency within the force via the ombudsmen's office.

It shits me to say it as a tax payer, but, more than likely not.

Big hug. It all means shit here though.

We need a '74 again, but a realistic one that is about TOTAL, total honesty and diversity

NSWPF can learn a few things from their counterparts overseas.

I just don't know how long it is going to take for them to lose that boys club culture amongst themselves.

Yeah even with the women.

[datkindagal]

The NSW Police Farce

The Duty Commander from Maroubrah is coming out to speak to me personally. I told him i will be reporting this to the ombudsman on monday and will use facebook, youtube and the media if i have to.

I'm not going to let this go

dog with bone

[mark_]

My housemate was having a hissyfit and barricaded me in the laundry room.

The room happens not to have openable windows.

I was there for 5 minutes and realised I had my mobile and I rang Newtown Police Station.

The guy was pleasant and offered to send a patrol car down. I dithered and said no but yes but no and after about 4 sentences he offered to hand the phone over to the Station's GLBT officer. Like I say, he was pleasant and reassuring.

[Martha Stewart]

The NSW Police Farce

End quote.

Good luck. Don't be afraid to contact right wing media either!

cc all!

[Martha Stewart]

My housemate was having a hissyfit and barricaded me in the laundry room.

The room happens not to have openable windows.

I was there for 5 minutes and realised I had my mobile and I rang Newtown Police Station.

The guy was pleasant and offered to send a patrol car down. I dithered and said no but yes but no and after about 4 sentences he offered to hand the phone over to the Station's GLBT officer. Like I say, he was pleasant and reassuring.

Depends on your LAP and also their culture.

Somtimes you are lucky.

Sometimes you are not.

Lets all think back to the Wood Royal commission...

[datkindagal]

fmd if your call for a Dr and they send a plumber then the system is fucked.

I will never reach out like that again in fear of police assault.

[datkindagal]

these are bra cops, not much different from bra boys. Licensed thugs.

[Martha Stewart]

these are bra cops, not much different from bra boys. Licensed thugs.

I think that the younger they are the cockier they are.

And the older they are the lazier they are.

Either way it's a no win situation.

[rudeboy86]

Nah from my experience with them, the older cops know how far they can push the envelope but the younger ones are just arseholes...quite funny when we were being asked questions at an incident and one of them was resting his hand on his pistol, must get his cock hard. Bloody VicPol.

[mark_]

… one of them was resting his hand on his pistol, must get his cock hard. …

It's comfortable, the same way that obese people rest their hands on their fat stomach

[rudeboy86]

It's comfortable, the same way that obese people rest their hands on their fat stomach

Ye remind me to rest my hands on my mate's shotty next time I go clay-pigeon shooting (it's been a while)...I will get back to you on that.

[InternetExplorer]

Police, pfft yeah they are always the same.
Most probably they had an acute care team but funding got cut and the job just fell on whom ever was available.

I have to say that the introduction of a paddy wagon to transprt you to Randwick is absolutely sickening. Paddy wagons are torturously uncomfortable, rattly fucking metal boxes, not to mention degrading and humiliating (fuck I should know I have been in the back of enough of them)...

You have a good case for complaint, mind you I wouldn't stress over it.

[mark_]

… (f*ck I should know I have been in the back of enough of them)...
of IE, tell us about your experiences on those torturously uncomfortable wagons

[rudeboy86]

Paddy wagons are torturously uncomfortable, rattly fucking metal boxes, not to mention degrading and humiliating (fuck I should know I have been in the back of enough of them)...

Can't say I have been in them before but I can safely say that crowd control batons hurt like fuck.

[InternetExplorer]

of IE, tell us about your experiences on those torturously uncomfortable wagons

I was a lot younger and got in trouble a few times.
They are very uncomfortable. and it is humiliating.
Not the way you would transport somone who was not arrested.

[Tosca]

why paddy wagon for...blaeghhhhhh retorical question

[crazzymikey]

dont get me started on the shitty police farce!

I hope you are ok Cindy :(

I was mugged a few years back off oxford st. I had my car nearby when it happened so I was able to run to it and get to surry hills police station in a few minutes from where I was.

Anyways as I was explaining to the rude cop what had happened he looked at me like I was an idiot and said bluntly why did you give them your phone/wallet for? I said because there were three huge guys who were going to punch me towering over me. still lookign at me in disgust He took liek 10mins to go in the back and 2 other police woman came out and walked slower than my grandmother to their car. The time we got back to the area and they drove around looking for the bastards who robbed me, they were gone.
They were so apathetic and rude and slow to respond. Then I was supposed to give a report to them which meant an hour or so of questions. I said forget it and left.
People wonder why no one bothers to report crimes when you are faced with these morons. Despite the fact they were so slow to respond, they also were rude and made me feel liek it was my fault. I was already traumatised from being mugged.

I am glad your complaining! Not enough people do!

[shazzboy]

Yep, NSW cops are the most violent and uneducated pigs in the country. Even worse then QLD!

The big problem is pure cowardice in cops. I have seen them harass a teenage boy playing a flute near central station, and then 15min later there was a bunch of Lebs causing aggro and what did the cops say to them?

'Please be mindful' 'no need to be upset' blah blah blah. They were talking all tough to a harmless schoolboy, but acted like they were at a country fair with a Leb gang. Sheer cowardice.

Dont even get me started on their lack of education and inability to speak the English language to a satisfactory level.

Also many of them are linked to criminal organisations themselves.

[Tosca]

the nimbin raids last year were so badly done. it take 1/2 an hour to get from lismore to nimbin, and they came in big black SUVs, or something, in convoy, very recognisable. by the time they to go nimbin, everyone had been called or otherwise notified by friends that had seen them coming so anyone important was long gone, and the whole thing was pointless

[datkindagal]

just got back from the rally in Sydney, warm fuzzies allover.

[rudeboy86]

Also many of them are linked to criminal organisations themselves.

Yeah, it's called the state.

[TheOldie]

Big hugs.

Tell the Commander about the rough treatment etc but hold back on telling him anything personal about his young cops ie name calling etc. Will just get his back up.

Touch wood when I got broken into years ago the Police were really nice. The a taxi backed into my car last year and the officer at local Station was nice and the Officer
who got me for you know what 2 weeks ago was really nice/sense of humour. He was from Redfern Station. Even his mate was friendly/talkative when we walked back to my car.

Good luck !

[rudeboy86]

Feeling for the Edge of your Imagination: finding ways not to call the police

http://imaginealternatives.tumblr.com/

[Dsquare]

Police, pfft yeah they are always the same.
Most probably they had an acute care team but funding got cut and the job just fell on whom ever was available.

I have to say that the introduction of a paddy wagon to transprt you to Randwick is absolutely sickening. Paddy wagons are torturously uncomfortable, rattly fucking metal boxes, not to mention degrading and humiliating (fuck I should know I have been in the back of enough of them)...

You have a good case for complaint, mind you I wouldn't stress over it.

I suspect they use the paddy wagon because they don't know if somone who's having some sort of mental crisis is going to flip out completely. They probably reckon it's safer to put the person in the back of the wagon than have them suddenly decide to start attacking the driver or throwing themselves out of the moving car or something.


Also many of them are linked to criminal organisations themselves.

Yeah, and all gays are pedophiles and all lesbians are built like Mack trucks :rolleyes:

[TheOldie]

Actually thats what I thought Dsquare ie they dont know if the person in the
back is suddenly going to launch at the driver etc but the paddy wagon would
have been hideous Dat.

When my "incident" happened they offered to drive me around to back of showgrounds where I had parked my car at a friends so they could check my licence. I asked do I have a choice ? he looked at me and said the windows are tinted :) I asked do I have a choice ? and he said OK we will walk. Phew !

[Barrin]

Sad to read about this. I hope you get some results.
On a side note, this week the Director of Public Prosecutions had to stand down having been stabbed in the back by the government (see link) and the Chief Justice announced he will he retiring in a few months. That means whoever forms government after next weekend will be appointing new people to the two most influencial legal positions in the state. Maybe, hopefully some improvement will filter down through the whole system.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/last-act-for-hatzistergos-before-axe-falls-20110317-1byvz.html

[faeriegoddess]

huge hugs to you Dat. So sorry that happened.

[TheOldie]

Sad to read about this. I hope you get some results.
On a side note, this week the Director of Public Prosecutions had to stand down having been stabbed in the back by the government (see link) and the Chief Justice announced he will he retiring in a few months. That means whoever forms government after next weekend will be appointing new people to the two most influencial legal positions in the state. Maybe, hopefully some improvement will filter down through the whole system.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/last-act-for-hatzistergos-before-axe-falls-20110317-1byvz.html

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Cowdery said on 02 Mar 2011 that personal use of you know what should be treated as a social problem not through the Courts :(

[mark_]

EDIT: I'm not sure why we should be asked to sympathise for him. I always got the impression that he was politicking over gaol statistics in his office while victims of crime have to cope with so many criminals avoiding gaol on suspended sentences.

Cowdery… turns 65 tomorrow and to keep the full extent of his pension benefits he has to go right now…
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...317-1byvz.html

.

[Dsquare]

From what I read (and didn't fully understand) he could have stayed on in a temporary capacity and it wouldn't have impacted on his pension. It was the outgoing Labor stooge that said no to this.

The reality is that Cowdery was perfectly entitled and eligible to be appointed for a term as acting director. It would have been the most efficient and cost-effective thing to do but under this regime memories are long and unforgiving.

EDIT: mark_ why did you completely change your post so that mine now seems to be apropo of nothing? If you want to post a new idea it might be better to have a completely new post than make other people look silly.

[Totka]

No good comes from an armed police force. I have never heard of any positive reults from being in contact with the police. Oldie they may have been nice, but, Id be surprised if they fixed the problem. Sorry Dat. I'm glad the rally helped with how're feeling.

[JayTee]

No good comes from an armed police force. I have never heard of any positive reults from being in contact with the police.

WTF?????

i know this is an unpleasant situation but to say that there is no good in the police force at all is just ludicrous!

if you really believe this then make sure you DONT call them when some thug attacks you, or some desperado breaks into your house to steal your DVD player or any of the other multitude of misfortunes that might happen to anyone in their life time.

[ammonite]

I don't understand; why would 000 send a police car and not an ambulance?

[Totka]

WTF?????

i know this is an unpleasant situation but to say that there is no good in the police force at all is just ludicrous!

if you really believe this then make sure you DONT call them when some thug attacks you, or some desperado breaks into your house to steal your DVD player or any of the other multitude of misfortunes that might happen to anyone in their life time.

I don't call the police. In the past when I have at best it's been an exercise in futility.

[TheOldie]

No good comes from an armed police force. I have never heard of any positive reults from being in contact with the police. Oldie they may have been nice, but, Id be surprised if they fixed the problem. Sorry Dat. I'm glad the rally helped with how're feeling.

Oh of course they didnt fix the problem. Its not them that makes the laws and they have the unfortunate job to do.

Was just pointing out my experience and how they were very nice to me so that the whole situation was not distressing like Dats ended up being.

[peter888]

Dat - always ask them for a refreshing drink.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3528/3751473330_f4a450a255.jpg

[peter888]

And if you ask nicely, they'll sit on your face!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/313686385_cdce8ae4f0.jpg

[JayTee]

I don't understand; why would 000 send a police car and not an ambulance?

ambulance officers aren't allowed to turn up to a scene where there might be weapons/danger involved without the police being present.

whenever an operator hears "self harm" in any part of the conversation they automatically send out the police.

i've had the police sent out over a dozen times to my workplace because a client keeps on threatening self harm. and they always take him to the hospital in the back of a paddy wagon.

ironically the ambulance will actually bill you for the ride to the hospital (over $300.00 a pop) whilst the police will take you for free.

i guess that's the bright side of the situation.

[ernesto_1]

jaytee are u working at a psycho ward now? have u changed jobs?

[Grumpy]

Walking to the gym the other day noticed posters stuck to the awning of Alta building under construction (opposite Police Headquarters) seeking witnesses to a police assault that occured on 3 March at 10.30am outside Crown Street Primary school. Apparently what happened is this guy saw 4 police officers manhandling a woman on a pushbike for not having a helmet on. He went to assist her but was told by police to move on and as he did muttered, "fucking police state". To which they then arrested him and apparently got stuck into him. He states he has the physical injures to prove his case and was wanting anyone who may have seen or filmed it to contact him.

Now if this isn't over the top policing what is it? It takes four cops to tell a woman she shouldn't be riding a bike without a helmet? Soft targeting somewhat......

[shazzboy]

Walking to the gym the other day noticed posters stuck to the awning of Alta building under construction (opposite Police Headquarters) seeking witnesses to a police assault that occured on 3 March at 10.30am outside Crown Street Primary school. Apparently what happened is this guy saw 4 police officers manhandling a woman on a pushbike for not having a helmet on. He went to assist her but was told by police to move on and as he did muttered, "fucking police state". To which they then arrested him and apparently got stuck into him. He states he has the physical injures to prove his case and was wanting anyone who may have seen or filmed it to contact him.

Now if this isn't over the top policing what is it? It takes four cops to tell a woman she shouldn't be riding a bike without a helmet? Soft targeting somewhat......

PRECISELY! THEY ARE COWARDS!

Just like I have seen large groups threaten harmless people - but play 'nice' cop when they are confronted by large gangs.

They act all tough against people who are doing trivial things like performing in a public space, jaywalking, littering ect, but when people are being aggressive the cops are cowards and back down. COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS.

[nickdisco]

I don't understand; why would 000 send a police car and not an ambulance?

Duty of care.

000 is a TELSTRA operator, they are basically a switchboard for the service you reqire.

Police Fire or Ambulance.


When dat tried to get lifeline they connected her to the default which is Police.

She then told a Police emergency operator that she was feeling suicidal.

That becomes a Self Harm job & they are duty bound to send police.

Given Dat's dare I say colourful police & MHA history, I would imagine that SOPS in this case would dictate that she be conveyed via caged truck.

I don't want to speculate on either the level of force used, nor the level of resistance dat would have mustered, however if she really feels (and for that matter if anyone feels) she has been mistreated by police contact the Customer Assistance Unit (1800 622 571)
this is external to the LAC and has very stringent guidelines on dealing with complaints.


(please note I was careful to not put in opinions, so please don't give me yours)

[datkindagal]

dare?

[JayTee]

Walking to the gym the other day noticed posters stuck to the awning of Alta building under construction (opposite Police Headquarters) seeking witnesses to a police assault that occured on 3 March at 10.30am outside Crown Street Primary school. Apparently what happened is this guy saw 4 police officers manhandling a woman on a pushbike for not having a helmet on. He went to assist her but was told by police to move on and as he did muttered, "fucking police state". To which they then arrested him and apparently got stuck into him. He states he has the physical injures to prove his case and was wanting anyone who may have seen or filmed it to contact him.

Now if this isn't over the top policing what is it? It takes four cops to tell a woman she shouldn't be riding a bike without a helmet? Soft targeting somewhat......

This is all still "allegedly".

you only have one side of the story. That's why witnesses are being sought - in order to verify his story. it's to the courts to work out what actually happened - not for us to think we know it all because one guy told us.

i've dealt with a lot of cops - and a lot of teenagers who said "i didn't do anything" - and I'm inclined to believe the cops 99% of the time as the "victims of police brutality" normally did more than just "nothing".

you have to understand the situation from the police's point of view.

every single incident that they respond to could easily wind up with them being assaulted, maimed or killed. no joke. There are plenty of people who hate the cops so much (just look at this thread) that cops are a target and even a "routine license check" can wind up with them being seriously hurt because there are plenty of morons in this world who think it's ok to harm police officers.

every single incident they respond to is potentially lethal - is it any wonder they respond with caution??

[JayTee]

I have to say that the introduction of a paddy wagon to transprt you to Randwick is absolutely sickening. Paddy wagons are torturously uncomfortable, rattly fucking metal boxes, not to mention degrading and humiliating (fuck I should know I have been in the back of enough of them)...


did you expect a limo service?

it's the Po-leeece!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWaeoUtIYY

[datkindagal]

after posting my statement on FB <-NSW Police Farce

a lawer/barrister contacted me and I now have representation.


I have been advised to defer the meeting with the the area inspector until I have spoken to my legal rep.

[InternetExplorer]

did you expect a limo service?

it's the Po-leeece!


to tell the truth I think you are too outspoken on the subject.

Please do us all a service and pull your head in as you have never experienced much on the opposite side of the law other than petty misdemeanors.

I support the police in as much as they are not all bad and may save our sorry asses one day and many do have quite a nice attitude.
However this would not cause me to make judement other than I think Datto has a right of compliant as I have previously mentioned.

I think Barrin was right in critisising your outright brownie point scoring on moral issues.

[xxxVioletxxx]

Firstly, datkindagal, I am sorry you had to experience such a bad situation, and I encourage you to report your mistreatment and experience in writing or with representation to the Police Ombudsman. I wish you the best and hope you are feeling a lot better now.

From some of the posts here and other comments I've heard recently, it really concerns me that members of our community do not trust police. Most police I have found or know are very helpful, and I would encourage those in our GLBTI/Queer community to contact their Gay and Lesbian Liaison Officer (GLLO) if they have any concerns when dealing with the police. Sometimes it can be hard to get in contact with one (as they may not be on shift or called out on other duties), but it is worth it.

I can't comment on the NSW Police Service, but have found that some police in other states/territories are trained (or encouraged) to have an attitude of "if you aren't a Police Officer or a known other government agency ally of the police, then you are a potential criminal". This is an attitude I'd love to see changed for the better. Education is important, for the public on their rights and what exactly are the laws and what they entail, and for the police to be more understanding and accepting of our community, and to know who to contact when faced with issues with our community and mental health instances (and for them to have the resources and training to call on in the first place).

Apologies in advance if this does not flow nicely. My moronic neighbours have kept me awake for most of the night last night. Bloody full moon.

[Barrin]

EDIT: I'm not sure why we should be asked to sympathise for him. I always got the impression that he was politicking over gaol statistics in his office while victims of crime have to cope with so many criminals avoiding gaol on suspended sentences.


It's the courts that hand down the sentences, not the DPP. Cowdery has to decide what matters to prosecute or when to appeal if he disagrees with a decision or the sentencing is considered poor. That's where he's made some unpopular decisions. He's not there to make the government look tough on crime and he can only work within the budget they give him. Not an easy job but Cowdery is very highly regarded within the profession.

Ran into a friend last night who works for one of the Supreme Court judges - there's some trepidation amongst them that the next Chief Justice will be Bret Walker. :eek:

[trina2004]

Dat, that's terrible and I feel very sorry and angry that something like that happened to you.
Don't give up on calling the police if you need help though, there are bad eggs in every industry!

I'm disturbed by all of the anti-police rhetoric in this thread.
They do a hard and dangerous job for low pay.



Walking to the gym the other day noticed posters stuck to the awning of Alta building under construction (opposite Police Headquarters) seeking witnesses to a police assault that occured on 3 March at 10.30am outside Crown Street Primary school. Apparently what happened is this guy saw 4 police officers manhandling a woman on a pushbike for not having a helmet on. He went to assist her but was told by police to move on and as he did muttered, "fucking police state". To which they then arrested him and apparently got stuck into him. He states he has the physical injures to prove his case and was wanting anyone who may have seen or filmed it to contact him.

Now if this isn't over the top policing what is it? It takes four cops to tell a woman she shouldn't be riding a bike without a helmet? Soft targeting somewhat......

More likely the police were all patrolling together and that's why all 4 approached her.
And I have no doubt that the reason they patrol all together is because being a copper is very dangerous!
Why this guy interfered in police business I don't understand- the woman was in the wrong from the story you've told, and no doubt the coppers dont appreciate smart mouth bystanders making their job more difficult.

I followed the link rudeboy about having a police free world.
I must admit it made me laugh. An organisation dedicated to closing their eyes to reality.
If I got mugged, would I hesitate to point my attacker out in a line up becuase they might have kids at home? Heck no. Maybe they should have thought of that before doing the crime.

[datkindagal]

I don't trust the police enought to ever call them again (not that i wanted to call them anyway). If you had experienced this sort of brutality I am sure you'd feel the same.

This proticol puts people in danger in that people dont trust the police to do the right thing.

[JayTee]

to tell the truth I think you are too outspoken on the subject.

Please do us all a service and pull your head in


or what?

this is a discussion board. (I'm not sure you understand the concept of what discussion boards are about).

I'm discussing the topic at hand.

just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean i should shut up.

I don't like lots of opinions on here. i don't tell them to shut the fuck up. I post my opinion and give a counter argument to theirs.

it's called playing the ball not the man


as you have never experienced much on the opposite side of the law other than petty misdemeanors.


nope. wrong.

i haven't even had any misdemeanors.

the police have never come to my door to "ask me some questions".

i have never been in the back of a paddy wagon.

I have never had cuffs put on me.

I have never given cause for a police officer to ask me to quieten down or move on.

police love me because i OBEY THE LAW! (ie. i listened when my mum said "I wouldn't do that shit if i were you!")

i havent even had a even a suspension or afternoon detention at school.

forgive me for being a law abiding citizen and productive member of society.


I support the police in as much as they are not all bad and may save our sorry asses one day and many do have quite a nice attitude.
However this would not cause me to make judement other than I think Datto has a right of compliant as I have previously mentioned.


the conversation moved on from the initial post in this thread and became a cop bashing exercise. i was giving my opinion on that not on the initial posters post.



I think Barrin was right in critisising your outright brownie point scoring on moral issues.

i think barrin doesn't know what he is talking about.

but that's ok. because this is a discussion board and we are all here to discuss.

[InternetExplorer]

nope. wrong.

i haven't even had any misdemeanors.

the police have never come to my door to "ask me some questions".

i have never been in the back of a paddy wagon.

I have never had cuffs put on me.

I have never given cause for a police officer to ask me to quieten down or move on.

police love me because i OBEY THE LAW! (ie. i listened when my mum said "I wouldn't do that shit if i were you!")

i havent even had a even a suspension or afternoon detention at school.

forgive me for being a law abiding citizen and productive member of society.


just as I suspected, a goody two shoes throwing his holier than thou opinions out there that are not worth a cracker really because you have little world experience of what you are commenting on.

[InternetExplorer]

forgive me for being a law abiding citizen and productive member of society.


So anyone who causes a misdemeanor or travels in the back of a paddy wagon is not a productive person in society....

hmmm interesting theory :rolleyes:

Oh for the perfect world you must live in. :D

[JayTee]

So anyone who causes a misdemeanor or travels in the back of a paddy wagon is not a productive person in society....

hmmm interesting theory :rolleyes:

Oh for the perfect world you must live in. :D

no.

it's about everything i mentioned.

no police visits to my house

no rides in the back of paddy wagons.

no cuffs on me.

no cause to be asked to move on or quieten down.

my world isn't perfect. i just obey the law even when times are tough.

there are plenty of people who do that you know.

plenty of people who have very difficult time in life but dont impose themselves on others.

it's not a perfect world we live in. but most of us try to make the best of it.

that's what makes us decent human beings.

[JayTee]

just as I suspected, a goody two shoes throwing his holier than thou opinions out there that are not worth a cracker really because you have little world experience of what you are commenting on.

you have no idea what my world experience is.

all you know is that i don't resort to breaking the law or giving police reason to give me grief.

[InternetExplorer]

that's what makes us decent human beings.

oh I see, and the rest of us are not decent human beings.

what a load of bollocks.

[datkindagal]

niether do I

[trina2004]

oh I see, and the rest of us are not decent human beings.

what a load of bollocks.

Errm its kind of pointless taking JayT's words out of context like that when anyone can just scroll up and read the rest of the post.



it's not a perfect world we live in. but most of us try to make the best of it.

that's what makes us decent human beings.



Nobody's saying you're not a decent human being.

[ernesto_1]

jaytee is a lovely guy. his voice is so soothing. he could be a phone sex operator. i'd pay $3.95 a minute

[crazzymikey]

I have seen over the years groups of police walking up oxford st and thugs would scream homophobic abuse to gays and drags walking past and they would do nothing. There have been bashings right under their noses at tailor square that they haven't noticed but they are the first to be around for petty crimes.

[InternetExplorer]

I have seen over the years groups of police walking up oxford st and thugs would scream homophobic abuse to gays and drags walking past and they would do nothing. There have been bashings right under their noses at tailor square that they haven't noticed but they are the first to be around for petty crimes.

No offense Mikey but I am suprised that Oxford street is still popular, I remember visiting it in the 90's a few times and thinking how droll it was.
The place has always been full of thugs, drunks, addicts and hardcore criminals.
Strange how the gay community seems to be oblivious to this, same with the valley in Brisbane.

If you want to get abused by drunks and thugs that would be a good place to start.

[shazzboy]

Next time the Pigs mess with ya, b sure to get your posse..........


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[crazzymikey]

No offense Mikey but I am suprised that Oxford street is still popular, I remember visiting it in the 90's a few times and thinking how droll it was.
The place has always been full of thugs, drunks, addicts and hardcore criminals.
Strange how the gay community seems to be oblivious to this, same with the valley in Brisbane.

If you want to get abused by drunks and thugs that would be a good place to start.

I dont bother going there much, but I am speaking of the past

[rudeboy86]

As far as I am concerned there are times when breaking the law needs to be done in order to change it.

[Totka]

You really only need to look at the process of becoming a cop. Who chooses to join the force? What sort of life experience do they have. What is there goal in becoming a police officer? They are usually very young people with not a lot of life experience who like the idea of wearing a uniform and carrying weapons with eithere a conscious or unconscious desire to impose their will on others. NOT the sort of person I would run to for help. Power corrupts.

[datkindagal]

I wonder how this would of gone down if I was a suburben house wife. Would they put me in a paddy wagon?

[datkindagal]

lol, first thing you've ever posted that I liked. Maybe there's hope.

Next time the Pigs mess with ya, b sure to get your posse..........


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[VladTheImpaler]

Obviously police aren't all bad. However, the widespread antipathy towards them is founded. Police across the world over are known for corruption, brutality, racism, and rape. The force attracts the kind of people that want to make a positive impact on society, and it also attracts those who wish to exert power over others.

I have a work friend who is adorable who used to be a beat cop. I wish there were more people like him in the force, however I find it difficult to trust the police when I have witnessed police racism; when a 16-year-old girl I knew was raped by two police-men in the back of their car after they picked her up for under-age drinking; and when I have witnessed police deliberately targeting certain groups of people and antagonising them in the bar where I used to work.

I will still call the police when I need to. For instance, when a stabbing was taking place up from my street. I am just very wary of them and their unsolicited interference.

Jaytee, maybe if you weren't a privileged white middle-class male that wasn't "loved by the police" you'd be able to see the other side of the coin and understand how others are not so trustful of the institution.

[datkindagal]

well everyone knows what i think of the NSW police Farce

thats not going to change anytime soon.

[AniVader]

Crikey where do u start with this mess of yours

Firstly triple zero is an emergency number for emergencies. They aren't directory assistance and they don't transfer calls to non emergency numbers

Next u go ape shit at police for putting u in a place where u can't hurt them. Â*I bet they were thinking lucky we didn't put her in the car with us, imagine the damage she could do to us. Â*If u don't care what happens to u, y would u worry what happens to them? They were right to isolate u. Â*Next time don't go ape shit on police and they might treat u nicer.

Lastly the commissioner or whoever u r meeting with is just going thru the motions. Â*As someone who clearly has mental health issues, ur perceptions of the events aren't as reliable as level headed professional police officers so ur complaints will be easily dismissed.

Next time just ask a passerby for 50 cents for a telephone call and save yourself the hassle of dealing with police whom u obviously have such a problem with

even though this isnt a transphobic incident its worth mentioning. I will be contacting the NSW Police Ombudsman on Monday.

I can't tell this story without exposing my weekness so go easy on me.

I have been suffering from clinical depression for a good part of my life, I have now been diagnosed as "maybe" being Bi Polar however I have to spend a day at the Blackdog Bi Polar clinic to confirm this diagnosis.

I am currently homeless and have been living in hotels on TA Temporary Accomodation through DOH now Human Services (<-1984?).

I have spent a few days sleeping in my car, I have been accepted into a new housing program and should be housed in the next few weeks.

yesterday I was struggling with suicidal thoughts which is a coomon theme for me, I have had several attempts and have self harmed.

I have done some psychology and understand and have some insight into my issues. So I do have an idea on what I should being doing to help myselff.

Anyway after a bad day yesterday i decided to call Lifeline as thats what I do when i get these awful thoughts. I had no credit on my phone and was not getting any saticfaction on the hotel phone so I called tripple 000 to see they could connect me to lifeline. This is where my trouble started. instead of linking me with life line they got some info from me and sent the police.

Actually the police were knocking at my door whilst i was on the phone. Anyway it was to young female cops (babies) there said they would take me to the kilo centre in randwick to talk to a psych there. I agreed. I sat in the back of the pig sedan for 5 minutes and asked them why we havent gone yet. The 2 children police persons informed me they had a paddy wagon on the way.

From that moment they lost me, I wont be picked up in public like that and treated like a criminal when i've done nothing wrong. I got out of the vehicle and said I'v had enough I'm just going to go to bed and sleep it all off.

From that moment on the paddy wagon turned up and they started physically restraining me and trying to put hand cuffs on me. 4 cops then led me out to the paddy wagon and slammed me up against the side of the van. I was holding on to my bag and they bent my wrist backwards until I let go. mind you there's 4 of them and they are all trying to restrain me but were hurting me physically. They had my arm behind my back and again tried to put cuffs on me, again a refused and reminded them that I'm not a criminal.

I spent like 20 minutes with a psych and she informed me that police do this all the time. They traumatise people. They are supposed to call the acute care team, I actually dont think they have one. After working in Welfare I saw them once. Its usually always the police.

Young, and I mean under 25 year old cops are so fucking brainless and punch happy.

All they did is scare me from calling anyone else again in fear of police assault.

Maroubra Police Constable Hayward I am coming for your badge you little shit.

sorry i needed to vent

[Anthony Mahera]

Maroubra Police Constable Hayward I am coming for your badge you little shit.


Coming from the area I can understand how shitty Maroubra Police really are.

Couldn't sleep one night so decided to walk around the block to ckear my mind. End up getting stopped by the police being bomarded with Q's then was told it wasn't appropriate for me to be walking early in the morning???? What a wanker!!!!

[crazzymikey]

they have far too much power these days thanks to bogus terroist scare tactics. I think its a worry when our civil rights are taken away or for granted and entrusted by the police. They ahvea long history of corruption. very scary

[JayTee]

oh I see, and the rest of us are not decent human beings.

what a load of bollocks.

no not at all. but it does give rise to the term "dubious" past.

Think of it in terms of that bullying clip on the other thread.

the little kid (the bully) punched and punched and punched and punched. The victim made one move.

Now it could have been that the "victim" had been tormenting the younger one for years (but this is not the case) however all we saw was one kid provoking another repeatedly into a fight.

Most of Australia chose sides with guy who only retaliated after repeated blows.

it's the same with this thing.

Yes, you might get unfairly thrown in the back of a paddy wagon for no good reason - but it doesn't make you look good at all because people associate being in there as a bad reflection of character.

indeed that is whas the original poster was angry about - she felt that she wasn't a common criminal and thus shouldn't have been treated in the manner with which she was.

people who have a criminal past or constant brushes with the law aren't worthless, and yes they can change (i know of plenty of people who WERE once petty thieves and who have now turned around their lives and a useful members of the community who have undone the harm they did previously)

but until someone makes an effort to change you can't help them. hence the reason we have the police. to keep us safe from people that would mean us harm.

and they try not to make the experience pleasant so that they "get the hint" that unlawful activity is not good for them nor anyone else.

Much better to have learnt your lesson because the back of a paddy wagon stinks than to have to wait until one's life is completely fucked up and you are facing a long prison sentence.

sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

[JayTee]

As far as I am concerned there are times when breaking the law needs to be done in order to change it.

yes and that is called "civil disobedience".

but a crucial aspect of civil disobedience is that you front up to the police station and confess your crime so that you can be "punished". usually with press in tow.

Rodney Croome and his then partner did exactly that when it was still illegal to have anal sex in Tasmania.

They rocked up to their local police station and "confessed" to every time they had broken that particular law. apparently they had lists of dates times and places along with them!

the police didn't know what to do and if i recall correctly they took their "statements" and just sent them away. this was back in the early 90s.

[JayTee]

You really only need to look at the process of becoming a cop. Who chooses to join the force? What sort of life experience do they have. What is there goal in becoming a police officer? They are usually very young people with not a lot of life experience who like the idea of wearing a uniform and carrying weapons with eithere a conscious or unconscious desire to impose their will on others. NOT the sort of person I would run to for help. Power corrupts.

they DO have psych tests though.

thats why you find that police officers are much better behaved than security guards - because the security guards are often wannabe police officers who failed the psych exam.

personally i think that yes power can corrupt. but also that police can get cynical about the world when they are constantly seeing the underbelly of society.

it must be very difficult to keep a balance view of the world and of human nature when day in day out you are faced with seeing people treating one another - and them - with such violence and contempt.

i know there are cases of police being corrupt but it's not an excuse to label them all in that way.

and it's much more productive to give a police officer a pleasant experience when you can so that they DON"T become cynical. that's why i'm always nice to police when i have to interact with them. my small "thank you" is an attempt to counter balance all the crap they have to put up with - and might actually make a difference in helping them not get cynical and jaded.

i work with delinquent kids - and our motto is "catch them being good" (as opposed to bad) and let them know when they have done the right thing. it makes such a difference to people when their positive behaviours are pointed out to them.

and it makes them want to try harder next time.

[JayTee]

Jaytee, maybe if you weren't a privileged white middle-class male that wasn't "loved by the police" you'd be able to see the other side of the coin and understand how others are not so trustful of the institution.

haha.

i'm not "priveliged white middle class".

i'm a wog with a lebo style haircut who gets stopped by the police all the time just for looking the way i do. (just ask Mann how much he hates my rats tail).

but i know that it's easier to take 3 minutes out to answer their questions politely, let them check my bag if they want to and be on my way

rather than get all caught up in the "unfairness" of it all, make a big deal about it, swear at them, resist arrest, get charged and have to go to court over it.

a few minutes of "discrimination" vs a criminal record and weeks of inconvenience?

i know which one is the logical choice.


as I said to another poster - you don't know what my life experience is so don't make assumptions about it just because you think you know where i'm coming from.


ps. males are much more likely to be stopped by the police than females so in this case it's female who are more priveliged than males.

[JayTee]

I wonder how this would of gone down if I was a suburben house wife. Would they put me in a paddy wagon?

yes they would have.

the 14 yr old boy that I look after - who repeatedly threatens self harm - always get put in the paddy wagon.

don't take it personally - it's just their procedures.

[JayTee]

jaytee is a lovely guy. his voice is so soothing. he could be a phone sex operator. i'd pay $3.95 a minute

i doubt "soothing" voices make much on those telephone lines. ...unless of course the person went to sleep before hanging up.



do those lines even still operate? perhaps that's a line of work i could do that i could do from home.

[mitch_li]

It is true that Police Forces tend to reflect the societies they are drawn from and so you have dipshits to the ineffective crusading change the world types . Eventually the dipshits come unstuck and the saints burn out or go mad. The trouble is the dipshits do a lot of harm on the way. it seems that these were shitty coppers and they may well be starting on the path of exposure - keep cool and stick to your guns -

[VladTheImpaler]

i'm a wog with a lebo style haircut who gets stopped by the police all the time just for looking the way i do. (just ask Mann how much he hates my rats tail).

I take it back. Assuming made an ass out of me.

I don't know what a lebo style haircut is. However, I do know what a rat's tail is and I'm very interested in this aspect of you. Very interested.

[rudeboy86]

they DO have psych tests though.

Yeah so does the military, what's your point? Cops still carry themselves like they own the fucking place and in many cases they act like it and like to remind others of it on a regular basis. There have been sooo many times that I have been pulled aside by a divvy van while I was walking home from work at night asking to see my ID and ask why I was walking through the neighbourhood amongst heaps and heaps of other incidents involving unnecessary police presence/behaviour. After all of my experiences with police I simply don't trust them at all let alone see them as anything other than arrogant control freaks.

yes and that is called "civil disobedience".

but a crucial aspect of civil disobedience is that you front up to the police station and confess your crime so that you can be "punished". usually with press in tow.


It's illegal to strike in this country now but people still do it and face arrests and charges or capsicum spray and baton charges when they do it. My form of civil disobedience does not require me to turn myself in to the police. They can come and get us if they feel they need to. Make them work for the taxpayers money that pays their wages. In relation to striking however and community support for the strike, I have been involved in them and all of them have been successful (regardless of us breaking the law).

[datkindagal]

jeez another reason not to reach out

i doubt "soothing" voices make much on those telephone lines. ...unless of course the person went to sleep before hanging up.



do those lines even still operate? perhaps that's a line of work i could do that i could do from home.

[datkindagal]

I dont think I have the energy levels to deal with this right now. Being homeless drains you of your humanity. Just booked into yet another hotel in Kings X

atleast I am only a stones throw from Mexican food

[flounder]

You really only need to look at the process of becoming a cop. Who chooses to join the force? What sort of life experience do they have. What is there goal in becoming a police officer? They are usually very young people with not a lot of life experience who like the idea of wearing a uniform and carrying weapons with eithere a conscious or unconscious desire to impose their will on others. NOT the sort of person I would run to for help. Power corrupts.

And the gold medal for broad sweeping statements goes to...... For fuck sake chill out on the all cops are bent fucks, shit. I know some of you arent going to like this but let me tell you that I and shitloads of others joined the police force not for uniforms or guns or power, but to help people. There I said it, outrageous eh, I actually thought I could level the playing field for those who were vunerable in society.

You have no fucking idea how tough a job it is, but the upside is the rewards are through the roof when you can actually make a difference to someone elses life in a good way. Yep there are bent cops and an unhealthy culture to deal with, but dont put us all in the one basket its a fucking insult to all the decent men and women trying to handle a tough gig

And finally Dat, you know how I feel about you and your situation stinks, nuf said.

[datkindagal]

Thanks Flounder, I agree there are good cops but its like Russian rullette. To add insult to injury thismorning when I was on my way to botany I shredded a tire and was driving on the rim. Smoke sparks everywhere. Got off the motorway, changed tire went to my friends place and had a panic attack.

[datkindagal]

its all peachy :rolleyes:

[Totka]

And the gold medal for broad sweeping statements goes to...... For fuck sake chill out on the all cops are bent fucks, shit. I know some of you arent going to like this but let me tell you that I and shitloads of others joined the police force not for uniforms or guns or power, but to help people. There I said it, outrageous eh, I actually thought I could level the playing field for those who were vunerable in society.

You have no fucking idea how tough a job it is, but the upside is the rewards are through the roof when you can actually make a difference to someone elses life in a good way. Yep there are bent cops and an unhealthy culture to deal with, but dont put us all in the one basket its a fucking insult to all the decent men and women trying to handle a tough gig

And finally Dat, you know how I feel about you and your situation stinks, nuf said.

And did you flounder, or were you burnt out and pushed out by those that didn't share your optimism and desire to make a difference?