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broomw
26th October 2011, 06:22 PM
I think is a very good read. I think you've summed up most of the reasons that answer your question. I think the main issue is that too many people automatically equate gay sex with STIs. So if a gay man has multiple sexual partners many people automatically think there is a high risk of STIs involved and that many gay men don't use protection. This misunderstanding and fear exists within many forms in or society. For example, look at how many blood donation centres will not accept blood donations with gay men . When you watch many HIV/AIDS documentaries or movies, such as "And the Band Played On", those movies also highlight men having sex with other men as one of the major causes of the spread of HIV/AIDS. Unfortunately, I think it's become so institutionalised in our society that it exists within a deep rooted fear, based in lack of education and since many people also like to find ways to label "being gay" as negatively as possible, that even adds more fuel to the mis-education of gay sex in our society.

Best quote ever: "Bed-hopping straight men are hailed as heroes yet gay guys are shamed into silence, yet morally speaking, sex with a man is no different to sex with a woman – full stop. "

Matt Akersten
26th October 2011, 06:28 PM
We've had some good replies to the question Why is indulging in copious amounts of safe gay sex so taboo? on Twitter:

"Cause it's taking some of the best looking and tolerant stock out of the possible gene pool? *giggle* They's just jealous!" - sharpcontrast

"Internalised homophobia? A lot of society still sees gay sex as deviant. Hangover from theocracy of the past?" - Mark Cassone

Lazzarus
26th October 2011, 07:26 PM
Interesting read.

I've never understood why so many gay people or people in general really attach so much significance to sex, I guess if you were to consider the act of sex as being solely for the purpose of creating a life that it would then be a rather special activity; however, most people and I assume all gay people have sex just because it feels good without thinking that those brain chemicals and engorged genitals were designed for a more practical purpose.
The idea that sex can't feel good or is of a lesser value if you are not in a serious, monogamous relationship all seems a bit silly to me. A loving and committed relationship certainly benefits from the intimacy that sex brings but we shouldn't assume a relationship needs sex to work or that sex needs a relationship to be meaningful - sex doesn't need to be meaningful and there have been many a satisfying relationship that didn't involve sex.
I'm reasonably sure we have all had sex with our hands, some of us have done the nasty with inanimate objects and I'm quietly confident that a large percentage of us have had sex with strangers or at the least people we didn't love.

To fool ourselves into thinking sex cannot or should not be abstracted from our emotions is something I don't understand because to me love and sex are not the same thing. Yes sex is great with my partner of 15 years but it's also pretty damn cool with that hottie I met down the pub last Friday night ;)

neal james
26th October 2011, 08:06 PM
i have no idea what this guy is talking about. most homos i know are unashamed hussies. it's harder to get them to stop talking about their sex-lives, grindr, prospects...

if there's a stigma about being a slut, it isn't in evidence on this site, where the threads tend to ramble on & on & on about the joys of being a ho-dawg.

i have no preference either way, but don't tell me there's a 'stigma' with admitting you're a slut. in gayland in particular, it's quite the reverse.

TheOldie
26th October 2011, 08:17 PM
not in my world do we keep sex secrets from each other.

Virgindirk
26th October 2011, 08:36 PM
A straight freind of mine was braggin to me once about how many girls he had sex with during a trip to the u.k. I called him a slut just a joke and he actually got pretty offended sayin that straight guys can never be sluts. I tried to ask him why he thought that but all I got was "its just how things go". He dosn't really talk about his sexual encounters to me anymore.

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 08:43 PM
My friends and I have slut offs.

We don't even have a prize or any rules. Or even an end date. And people can join whenever they want.

I'm currently on hiatus.
I've earned it baby.

TheOldie
26th October 2011, 08:58 PM
Hiatus

when till 12pm tonite ?

can bet yr cods if a skater pinged yr grinder you be out :)

Virgindirk
26th October 2011, 08:59 PM
My friends and I have slut offs.

We don't even have a prize or any rules. Or even an end date. And people can join whenever they want.

I'm currently on hiatus.
I've earned it baby.

do you play Slut of the Century? Who wants to be a massive whore? clap or no clap?

neal james
26th October 2011, 09:03 PM
A straight freind of mine was braggin to me once about how many girls he had sex with during a trip to the u.k. I called him a slut just a joke and he actually got pretty offended sayin that straight guys can never be sluts. I tried to ask him why he thought that but all I got was "its just how things go". He dosn't really talk about his sexual encounters to me anymore.

sounds precious.

just for a laugh, next time he comes to your house ask him to please sit down when he pees...

neal james
26th October 2011, 09:06 PM
My friends and I have slut offs.

We don't even have a prize or any rules. Or even an end date. And people can join whenever they want.

I'm currently on hiatus.
I've earned it baby.

oh pish - you're playing like betty white.

come on, jizzebel: what's your record for the most at once (or at one sitting, so to speak)?

Lazzarus
26th October 2011, 09:14 PM
Straight guys are just as slutty as gay guys if not worse imo, some of the stories they tell me make me feel ill... and a little envious of the the poor girls they trash - I don't get the dynamic when it comes to straight sex, it's all too weird for me. Thinking about it, my straight friends talk about sex and their conquests a lot more often than my gay friends.



(yes I have friends -_-)

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 10:03 PM
oh pish - you're playing like betty white.

come on, jizzebel: what's your record for the most at once (or at one sitting, so to speak)?

Most at once: 7

In my bed.
Skater boy orgy

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 10:04 PM
This is like Cluedo.

You?

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 10:09 PM
Hiatus

when till 12pm tonite ?

can bet yr cods if a skater pinged yr grinder you be out :)

I've been off it for weeks.

I'm not always a slut.

Within relationships I'm actually monogamous.

When I'm single. I go through periods.

Being a slut is awesome. Everybody should look into it

neal james
26th October 2011, 10:38 PM
This is like Cluedo.

You?

hoestly can't tell you. i stopped counting after bachelor #5, although they did have to tie me down.

so i guess "in the dungeon, with the rope".

i get bored easily & i slip out of knots as well - all part of being versatile.

but i'm no slut. it was someone else's fantasy. i was just paying back a friend for teaching me a few rope tricks.

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 11:08 PM
As usual.

I like your style

Mac181
26th October 2011, 11:09 PM
Do you wear condoms during oral sex? Odds are you may pick up an STI given enough time, and that probability is so much higher with gay men for a number of reasons.
- Higher rates of concurrent partners
- Easier transmission of cock-to-mouth than pussy-to-mouth
- Lack of throat symptoms
- Lack of throat swab testing

I think most gay guys will get an STI at some point, and high rates of casual concurrent partners makes that rate go through the roof. That's why there's still slut-shaming in the gay community.

neal james
26th October 2011, 11:20 PM
ok, i lied. kinda a little bit my fantasy too.

i just wish they didn't look so scared- there really wasn't that much blood.

those chain links really do nip a bit...

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 11:23 PM
Do you wear condoms during oral sex? Odds are you may pick up an STI given enough time, and that probability is so much higher with gay men for a number of reasons.
- Higher rates of concurrent partners
- Easier transmission of cock-to-mouth than pussy-to-mouth
- Lack of throat symptoms
- Lack of throat swab testing

I think most gay guys will get an STI at some point, and high rates of casual concurrent partners makes that rate go through the roof. That's why there's still slut-shaming in the gay community.

I think it has more to it than that.
Excuse me if this is slurred. I'm exceptionally drunk.

The shaming of sluts has got to do with our views of sex and the morality we place upon it, beliefs or disbeliefs in sexual addiction and the fear that if someone has had multiple sexual partners- that they cannot have meaningful and monogamous relationships.

It's the age old dilema of guilt attached to sexuality

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 11:24 PM
the whore or madonna complex

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 11:28 PM
Also- I've been around. And I've mets lot of people yadda yadda.

I honestly think, the reason that people have such a problem with sluts- is because they are secretly jealous.

Admit it.

Just a little

local_warming
26th October 2011, 11:32 PM
I honestly think, the reason that people have such a problem with sluts- is because they are secretly jealous.


agreed - it seems they are envious that others have tossed off the shackles so easily and apparently so care-free

neal james
26th October 2011, 11:39 PM
agreed. but tbh, i'd be way sluttier if it weren't for the diseases.

like i would ride a bike without a helmet if i hadn't been run over once already.

also, i don't wanna get bored. i like a nice surprise, now & then.

i hate boring sluts, like i hate boring drug (or anything) addicts - it's a fine line between user & loser.

Light-Bearer
26th October 2011, 11:49 PM
Disease is always something I am very thoughtful and careful about and only play safe and most of time only participate in low risk activities with randoms

Totka
27th October 2011, 07:36 AM
It's not that I have any judgement around sluts. I just think talking about it constantly is sooooo '97.

sati54
27th October 2011, 09:53 AM
I used to have many boy toys while i was single and it was fun. Now Im married lol..I only have one but he is worth it :P

Light-Bearer
27th October 2011, 10:14 AM
I don't know- there is this whole neo conservative sexual thing happening at the moment.

Perhaps you're right brother of mine.
Perhaps it's time they stopped talking about it- and actually went out and fucked.

Totka
27th October 2011, 10:25 AM
I dunno about this neo conservative business. I think it might just be the young folk you are associating with. I remember I was all "ew, I would never..." when I was a youngster.

neal james
27th October 2011, 10:29 AM
talking about it is like low-budget diy porn. keeps dirty wholesome sex within everyone's reach when someone you know has been dp'd at a spit-roast.

is better than the net & it beats watching over-waxed & glazed hams going "yeeeah! yeeeah! oh yeeeeeeaah!" with their socks on.

there's a pron film-fest here on at the moment & i think it's pretty cool people getting together & talking about sexing. i mean, it beats the weather, gadgets, politics (hi lw!) or religion.

as long as it's not too one sided... or yeah, is just wanking really.

neal james
27th October 2011, 10:55 AM
oh, i just thought of a witty & poignant video to post...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpk1oLga6UI

talent borrows, something... something...

Light-Bearer
27th October 2011, 11:01 AM
I love it when someone you least expect it from- just drops the sluttiest confession from their mouths

Phazz
27th October 2011, 11:16 AM
I hate talking and words, I prefer to communicate through interpretive dance and youtube videos. Stuff like this is not something I am open about to everyone, but if it's the topic of conversation and i'm with friends, I have no issues discussing it.

local_warming
27th October 2011, 02:55 PM
i think it's pretty cool people getting together & talking about sexing. i mean, it beats the weather, gadgets, politics (hi lw!)


i would have been just as happy being associated with the weather

neal james
28th October 2011, 04:14 AM
I love it when someone you least expect it from- just drops the sluttiest confession from their mouths

like

enriquito2005
29th October 2011, 12:28 PM
When I was around 23 years of age I heard a couple of (then, for me) old gay guys (around mid 50's) telling one another what they could've done when they were younger, but didn't. There and then I promised that myself when I reach their age I would be telling my friends what I did, not what I could've done.
I am now 65 years of age, have a lovely life in company of my gorgeous partner of 37 years and I have nothing to regret neither I feel frustrated for what I didn't do: BECAUSE I DID IT ALL (within reason, of course)!

meezon04
30th October 2011, 02:23 PM
People who call other people sluts really are jealous, I agree. I've no reason to be jealous :)

badamj2000
30th October 2011, 02:43 PM
I was a sexual athlete once but now I prefer a nice dvd.

MrAsh
30th October 2011, 03:35 PM
i have no idea what this guy is talking about. most homos i know are unashamed hussies. it's harder to get them to stop talking about their sex-lives, grindr, prospects...

if there's a stigma about being a slut, it isn't in evidence on this site, where the threads tend to ramble on & on & on about the joys of being a ho-dawg.

i have no preference either way, but don't tell me there's a 'stigma' with admitting you're a slut. in gayland in particular, it's quite the reverse.

I totally agree Neal! From my experience guys who want to be monogamus are just that and guys who aren't, aren't.

MrAsh
30th October 2011, 03:40 PM
I think it has more to it than that.
Excuse me if this is slurred. I'm exceptionally drunk.

The shaming of sluts has got to do with our views of sex and the morality we place upon it, beliefs or disbeliefs in sexual addiction and the fear that if someone has had multiple sexual partners- that they cannot have meaningful and monogamous relationships.

It's the age old dilema of guilt attached to sexuality

I agree with your point LB. Yet there are sex pigs, and I spent Friday night socialising with one, who are a bit out of whack and life to them is all about sex and at the end of the day they really don't have any understanding of their sexuality and I can say the same about guys who are obsessed with monogamy as well.

Yet a guy like yourself, knows there is more to life and sexual encounters are just a part of it and they are not the complete focus.

badamj2000
30th October 2011, 05:15 PM
Ash, all sex is dirty. I suggest three hail Marys and a good flagellation?

Light-Bearer
31st October 2011, 07:53 AM
Sometimes. Being a whore can be liberating. Especially after dating a long line of assholes or guys so bad at sex, you should have let a meat grinder blow you instead. Sex is great. And lots of sex is better. Just be picky about it, and never under any condition have sex with guys that look like weasels. It's important.

andrewc
31st October 2011, 09:06 AM
If you don't talk about sex, what do you talk about?

I've just been away for the weekend with 20 or so straight people... the boring conversationsationalists were the ones with all the repressed sexual tension... they wanted to talk politics and economics, blah blah blah! It's these people that wish they were a slut!

MrAsh
31st October 2011, 11:02 AM
Sometimes. Being a whore can be liberating. Especially after dating a long line of assholes or guys so bad at sex, you should have let a meat grinder blow you instead. Sex is great. And lots of sex is better. Just be picky about it, and never under any condition have sex with guys that look like weasels. It's important.

Again I agree! Yet what I've found is that guys like you and dare I say Neal James are the ones who are good shags, since you're not focused totally on sex, you do the deed when you feel like it and live life still. It's the sex pigs, guys who have a prissy conservative perspective on sex who are the worse shags! Well that's my experience anyway.

badamj2000
31st October 2011, 11:05 AM
Sometimes, I think I should get a car and 'free-range' wider Sydney for love.
At other times, I think I should take cold showers and lots of bromide...

mark_
31st October 2011, 11:43 AM
… you and dare I say Neal James are the ones who are good shags…

:eek:

MrAsh, what a thing to say!

Neal has got to the BESTest shag!! Far and away!

Light-Bearer
31st October 2011, 01:15 PM
What would you know. You've retired and you know.... you're a bit .... how shall we say... Oh never mind. I'm sure someone else will say it

mark_
31st October 2011, 01:18 PM
I wasn't commenting on you, I was commenting on Neal. :p

Light-Bearer
31st October 2011, 01:20 PM
See I told you

NATEE
31st October 2011, 04:39 PM
Still being sexually promiscuous is dangerous. Best to keep sex with multiple partners to a minimum for your own health reasons. Personally, and I know a lot of people would disagree on this, however 'abstinence' is the best policy. I having nothing against people having sex with whoever, although it does show a level of how some people cannot control their sexual urges or desires half the time (screw everything in sight.). Where is that self discipline we are taught whilst respecting our bodies at the same time. Do not suppress but control our primitive urges. I think if all humans did that we would not have as many STI's/STD's floating around.

Light-Bearer
31st October 2011, 04:42 PM
Thanks Pope Ratzinger

local_warming
31st October 2011, 04:59 PM
although it does show a level of how some people cannot control their sexual urges

i dont see why we should "control" it. you wouldnt "control" how much fun you had at a day at the beach in summer, so i dont see why the same should apply to something as much fun as sex. feeling guilty about sex as a tool for pleasure, is something they did in the 1300s and 14oos

NATEE
31st October 2011, 05:01 PM
Hey no worries glad to put in my two cents worth :P.

NATEE
31st October 2011, 05:15 PM
Well then by all means let your sexual desires take you away. Have sex with MULTIPLE partners. Forget about controlling it and be like an animal. Hey go for your life what is stopping you, life is too short I say!! However there are always consequences good and bad. In this case health risks (major ones). It is not about feeling guilty (pfftt stuff that) but your own life at stake here. Controlling ones self when it comes to sexual activity is very important. Remember you are transferring body fluids from person to person to person just like a tree and it spreads. Just be mindful of that when having many sexual partners. Self discipline gentlemen and the risks dramatically drop.

Mac181
31st October 2011, 05:21 PM
I like how you've bolded MULTIPLE.

Anyway, there's such a thing as moderation. While you're right that the best way to stop STIs is abstinence, you can also help by
- Always using protection
- Regularly getting tested
and here's the one about moderation,
- Minimize or avoid concurrent partners, as this multiplies both transfer speed and risk.

I have plenty of sexual partners, but generally one at a time. That said, I'm not about to shame people who go to a sauna and sleep with half a dozen in a night. I just think that's past my own personal risk tolerance level.

local_warming
31st October 2011, 05:45 PM
Well then by all means let your sexual desires take you away. Have sex with MULTIPLE partners.

of course im going to have multiple partners. what do you think im going to wait until i find "the one"

enzyme
31st October 2011, 06:43 PM
Personally I find promiscuous types really unattractive. Not only is not knowing where they may have been 5 minutes ago a major turn off but also the fact that there is no challenge involved. They are too easy and thus boring.

local_warming
31st October 2011, 07:09 PM
i find people who think they are a tier above everyone else, boring

Lazzarus
31st October 2011, 07:37 PM
I think everyone's idea of promiscuity is different and we shouldn't judge ourselves or condemn others based on how often someone has sex or with how many people someone has sex with. If I have sex twice a year with two people and you have sex once a year with one person then that hardly makes me a slut compared to you but it might by someone's definition of what a slut is and to that someone I would say "get fucked". ;)
Fuck and let fuck, and fuck all the fuckers who don't like it.

badamj2000
31st October 2011, 07:41 PM
Isn't having lots of partners good for one's immunity? Or some shitzers.
Where are all the desirable manz ? Where are they hiding?

badamj2000
31st October 2011, 07:42 PM
I think everyone's idea of promiscuity is different and we shouldn't judge ourselves or condemn others based on how often someone has sex or with how many people someone has sex with. If I have sex twice a year with two people and you have sex once a year with one person then that hardly makes me a slut compared to you but it might by someone's definition of what a slut is and to that someone I would say "get fucked". ;)
Fuck and let fuck, and fuck all the fuckers who don't like it.
OMG you said the F word gratuitously... RUDE!

Lazzarus
31st October 2011, 07:52 PM
OMG you said the F word gratuitously... RUDE!
I was waiting for that but not from you badamj.
I suppose now you're going to tell me you're and admin and that was my first unofficial warning?

I have one word for you badamj, guess what it is? -_-

MrAsh
31st October 2011, 07:57 PM
Personally I find promiscuous types really unattractive. Not only is not knowing where they may have been 5 minutes ago a major turn off but also the fact that there is no challenge involved. They are too easy and thus boring.

You're referring to sex pigs and I used to socialise with a lot of guys who were like this and last Friday socialised with one of them. Yet not again, they are boring and lack a lot of social skills.

Yet having sex with regular multiple and many partners doesn't make a person boring, nor is it wrong or unhealthy. Most of the guys on here like Light-Bearer (blessed be his name), have sex when they feel like it and with guys who they have a connection with, yet it's not the prime focus of their lives. They are interesting and have good social skills.

NATEE
31st October 2011, 09:02 PM
Have the time of your life :)

enzyme
31st October 2011, 09:57 PM
You're referring to sex pigs and I used to socialise with a lot of guys who were like this and last Friday socialised with one of them. Yet not again, they are boring and lack a lot of social skills.

Yet having sex with regular multiple and many partners doesn't make a person boring, nor is it wrong or unhealthy. Most of the guys on here like Light-Bearer (blessed be his name), have sex when they feel like it and with guys who they have a connection with, yet it's not the prime focus of their lives. They are interesting and have good social skills.

I personally find an easy fuck boring. Hard to get is way sexier. I don't want to be with a person that everyone has already had.

badamj2000
31st October 2011, 09:58 PM
I was waiting for that but not from you badamj.
I suppose now you're going to tell me you're and admin and that was my first unofficial warning?

I have one word for you badamj, guess what it is? -_-
Ive never been a very good counter im afraid...

badamj2000
31st October 2011, 09:59 PM
I may have had sex before , or i could be a virgin on the ridiculous....
Boom-tish or something....

MrAsh
31st October 2011, 10:05 PM
I personally find an easy fuck boring. Hard to get is way sexier. I don't want to be with a person that everyone has already had.

Well I find a inexperienced dud fuck boring. :cool:

Virgindirk
31st October 2011, 11:59 PM
I may have had sex before , or i could be a virgin on the ridiculous....
Boom-tish or something....

Bitch! You stole my joke! :eek:

mark_
1st November 2011, 10:06 AM
Dear robert_edward_smith, I'm not sure what point you're making. Your fifth paragraph just seems contradictory, but I won't re-read for the third time because I work on the principle of not believing ANY bragging boasts that people make.

So many people go on and on about the size of their penis, wallet and drug consumption and the frequency of their 'shags'.

I say 'POIDH' to them and say 'PFFT' to Mr Ash's bragging boasts.

Light-Bearer
1st November 2011, 10:10 AM
In all honesty. I haven't read the article. Cos quite frankly. I didn't write it.

And we all know my position on such matters.

neal james
1st November 2011, 10:24 AM
In all honesty. I haven't read the article. Cos quite frankly. I didn't write it.

And we all know my position on such matters.

spooning?

Light-Bearer
1st November 2011, 10:51 AM
I'm more a 69'er man.

neal james
1st November 2011, 10:57 AM
i'm perfecting the glacier. although at the moment, i'm still more of a soft serve.

local_warming
1st November 2011, 12:04 PM
You're referring to sex pigs and I used to socialise with a lot of guys who were like this and last Friday socialised with one of them. Yet not again, they are boring and lack a lot of social skills.


how can you go declaring that they have no social skills, when you say you cant practise it yourself. let-alone gauge it in others, or know whats appropriate?

OK I have Aspergers Syndrome. What is it you ask? It's a high functioning form of Autism. How does it affect me you wonder? It impacts on my ability to socialise effectively in social situations and everyday life, such as understanding unwritten social rules and non verbal communication.

NATEE
1st November 2011, 02:06 PM
I know, you know this already. Just reinforcing lads SAFE SEX please!

NATEE
1st November 2011, 02:29 PM
or lets have a massive gangbang lol

Mac181
1st November 2011, 03:14 PM
I know, you know this already. Just reinforcing lads SAFE SEX please!
The power is yours!

Light-Bearer
1st November 2011, 03:21 PM
or lets have a massive gangbang lol

FUCK YEAH!

enzyme
1st November 2011, 04:47 PM
The shaming of sluts has got to do with our views of sex and the morality we place upon it, beliefs or disbeliefs in sexual addiction and the fear that if someone has had multiple sexual partners- that they cannot have meaningful and monogamous relationships.

It's the age old dilema of guilt attached to sexuality

I disagree. The shaming of promiscuity most likely has more to do with the fact that it can be really unhealthy and conducive toward the spread of disease, condoms or not. This is not good for the community or for society at large therefore it is frowned upon by some sections. The same goes for incest. The chances of having deformed offspring as a result of incest is extremely high , this is not good for society therefore it is frowned upon.
It could be viewed that guilt is used as a necessary disincentive to protect the community as a whole.

enzyme
1st November 2011, 04:49 PM
Well I find a inexperienced dud fuck boring. :cool:

One doesn't need to fuck 10 people a week or a day to be good in bed. A dud is a dud is a dud no matter how many they have had. Ive had amazing sex with virgins.

MrAsh
1st November 2011, 05:32 PM
how can you go declaring that they have no social skills, when you say you cant practise it yourself. let-alone gauge it in others, or know whats appropriate?

I've had to learn social skills the hard way and ask many of the Aspies on this site, they'll tell you we can pick up on bad social skills quickly due the way we learned them. I have to say that associating with sex pigs for many years didn't do me much good socially and it did more damage.

MrAsh
1st November 2011, 05:33 PM
One doesn't need to fuck 10 people a week or a day to be good in bed. A dud is a dud is a dud no matter how many they have had. Ive had amazing sex with virgins.

What did you do to them is the question.

MrAsh
1st November 2011, 05:35 PM
... say 'PFFT' to Mr Ash's bragging boasts.

At least no pot plant is harmed or molested in either Light-Bearers or my escapades! :cool:

mark_
1st November 2011, 05:54 PM
P O I D H

enzyme
1st November 2011, 06:01 PM
What did you do to them is the question.

Ill leave it up to your imagination. Virgins are usually raring to go is all Ill say.

Light-Bearer
1st November 2011, 07:53 PM
Ill leave it up to your imagination. Virgins are usually raring to go is all Ill say.

I concur

Light-Bearer
1st November 2011, 07:58 PM
I disagree. The shaming of promiscuity most likely has more to do with the fact that it can be really unhealthy and conducive toward the spread of disease, condoms or not. This is not good for the community or for society at large therefore it is frowned upon by some sections. The same goes for incest. The chances of having deformed offspring as a result of incest is extremely high , this is not good for society therefore it is frowned upon.
It could be viewed that guilt is used as a necessary disincentive to protect the community as a whole.

And I agree with you, but I find it difficult to gauge how much of the outrage is felt toward the potential for disease or is it just moral outrage.

Look at the words that people use to describe sluts. Dirty, loose, the town bike, easy, whore etc. While some of these words would indicate disease- ie " filth" and " dirty", most of the words are morally weighted.

I think for the most part. Humans still experience alot of shame about sexuality.

Like when I sit in a room and talk about sex openly- I note that some people will pretend to be outraged, but their physical behaviours ie - gulping, biting their lip, jaws slightly dropping. Well it betrays that the real thing that they may be feeling is envy. And perhaps wishing they too could just get fucked.

People make sex so complicated.
It doesn't have to be.
It's one of our most natural behaviours. It is not all we can do- but just the way our genitals are positioned and how great sex feels- would indicate that we are meant to be doing this.

Be safe and respect yourself.
And fuck who ever you want.
That is the whole of the law

enzyme
2nd November 2011, 08:04 AM
And I agree with you, but I find it difficult to gauge how much of the outrage is felt toward the potential for disease or is it just moral outrage.

Look at the words that people use to describe sluts. Dirty, loose, the town bike, easy, whore etc. While some of these words would indicate disease- ie " filth" and " dirty", most of the words are morally weighted.

I think for the most part. Humans still experience alot of shame about sexuality.

Like when I sit in a room and talk about sex openly- I note that some people will pretend to be outraged, but their physical behaviours ie - gulping, biting their lip, jaws slightly dropping. Well it betrays that the real thing that they may be feeling is envy. And perhaps wishing they too could just get fucked.

People make sex so complicated.
It doesn't have to be.
It's one of our most natural behaviours. It is not all we can do- but just the way our genitals are positioned and how great sex feels- would indicate that we are meant to be doing this.

Be safe and respect yourself.
And fuck who ever you want.
That is the whole of the law

Perhaps the "moral outrage" has evolved as a way of protecting the species. If something is deemed shameful and unacceptable then most people aren't going to want to go there. Im not saying that this is appropriate or functional. I don't think it is. Education would be a better way but like everything change takes a long time.

Anthony Mahera
2nd November 2011, 12:38 PM
I dont mind talking about sex with my established friends, but if some random guy I just met starts ranting on about how many guys he's been with, then i kinda loose a bit of respect and interest....

Light-Bearer
2nd November 2011, 01:07 PM
What the fuck is wrong with you nuns?

enzyme
2nd November 2011, 04:47 PM
I can't stand guys who sexualise everything. You know the type that size up every single guy that walks by to see how fuckable they might be. Its incredibly dull.
I just don't place that much importance on sex. Its nice but its not my entire existence like it is for some. I would hate to be one of those people that have to do it once or twice a day. I couldn't think of anything worse. Sex addiction must be horrible.

MrAsh
2nd November 2011, 06:18 PM
I can't stand guys who sexualise everything. You know the type that size up every single guy that walks by to see how fuckable they might be. Its incredibly dull.
I just don't place that much importance on sex. Its nice but its not my entire existence like it is for some. I would hate to be one of those people that have to do it once or twice a day. I couldn't think of anything worse. Sex addiction must be horrible.

I agree. I used to associate with a lot of sex pigs by default. Their whole life revolved around sex and they are really sad people and I have to say I really messed up my life by associating with them. In fact I was out with one last Friday night and really was only there to keep him company, when he wasn't cruising and all conversations, except the one about his new BBQ were about sex! Boring as hell.

MrAsh
3rd November 2011, 07:34 AM
What the fuck is wrong with you nuns?

LB, I was thinking about what you were saying about the complexes people have about sex and I feel a lot of it revolves around jealousy and insecurity for many gay men.

When all your mates are getting laid and you're not or everyone's having a blast in the gang bang and you're not included, it's not a nice feeling and of course your going take the moral high ground with judgements to feel better.

From my experience, guys who have a balanced life and aren't either frigid prudes or excessively sexual are the best guys to associate with.

ernesto_1
3rd November 2011, 11:39 PM
i have a secret. I'm in love with Gary Barlow. I want him badly. sexually. forever.

Anthony Mahera
4th November 2011, 01:39 PM
The relationship between humans and sex has changed over time due to the progression of society.

Back in ancient times sex was ritualistic in nature in which indigenious peoples worshiped "gods" of fertility to in sure that there existence is not extinguished.Couple where choosen by the "elders" of the community, no such burden of marriage as the whole family/community spanning generations where responsible for the newly born childs upbringing.

Today, sex is pretty much all about fun and expression of an individual. Also the upbringing of the child is done by the two primary parents (exception to some cultures).

My guess is that our opinions of sex will change as we progress as a human race which will be dictated by the circumstances we live in.

Considering technology is growing at such a rapid rate, who's to say that in 100 years having sex with robots is not the norm or socially acceptable.

Doolander
4th November 2011, 03:45 PM
Me thinks your into some weird things Mr Mahara.... But let he who is without sin cast the first stone :P

Lazzarus
4th November 2011, 03:47 PM
Me thinks your into some weird things Mr Mahara.... But let he who is without sin cast the first stone :P

Totally, that's one sick puppy right there!

Starts throwing stones...

Anthony Mahera
5th November 2011, 12:13 PM
Geez, limited imagination peeps. You guys gotta watch the movie A.I. to know where I'm coming from.

neal james
5th November 2011, 01:47 PM
The relationship between humans and sex has changed over time due to the progression of society.

Back in ancient times sex was ritualistic in nature in which indigenious peoples worshiped "gods" of fertility to in sure that there existence is not extinguished.Couple where choosen by the "elders" of the community, no such burden of marriage as the whole family/community spanning generations where responsible for the newly born childs upbringing.

Today, sex is pretty much all about fun and expression of an individual. Also the upbringing of the child is done by the two primary parents (exception to some cultures).

My guess is that our opinions of sex will change as we progress as a human race which will be dictated by the circumstances we live in.

Considering technology is growing at such a rapid rate, who's to say that in 100 years having sex with robots is not the norm or socially acceptable.

this common sense & intelligent discussion of sexing will not be tolerated here.

a stern pm has been sent to the moderators. please refrain from accurate assessment & just post calender boys in the future, mr maghera.

das ist alles.

MrAsh
5th November 2011, 02:25 PM
Geez, limited imagination peeps. You guys gotta watch the movie A.I. to know where I'm coming from.

I know where you're coming from AM! :)