Homosexuality & Religion issues...

[linah25]

Hey guys,
I know I'm on the verge of starting a very big debate on here but i was wondering what you all think of religion and homosexuality, I have a friend who is a "born again christian" and also happens to be gay. He has only told very close friends about it and he remains very much into his faith but at the same time he's finding it difficult coming out to his parents. I've kinda tried giving him my opinion, that isn't based on religion whatsoever as there are reasons why I don't agree with certain messages in the Bible. None the less I respect those who have this faith and choose to lead a life as christians or whatever other religion they may be.



Well, as many of you know, it's very hard to be a Christian and gay because many people see it as a contradiction and/or a sin. I have done research in the Bible and on the internet and I have found nothing that directly says that homosexuality is a sin.

This friend of mine really hates having to lie to his friends and family. He thinks lying is a sin (according to the ten commandments) but he doesn't know what else to do. If he tells them the truth, they'll proabably try to set up therapy with his pastor or something...

What are your thoughts on this subject? Anyone else out there a gay christians? Anyone else have this problem with family and/or friends?

I really wanna help him understand that there's nothing wrong with what he's doing but he can't see it.

Would love to hear your views.
xo

[twoten85]

Linah, just be warned...some people on these forums are very *Passionate* about these topics....my opinion each to their own :D

[local_warming]

I have a friend who is a "born again christian" and also happens to be gay. He has only told very close friends about it

I wouldnt be telling ANYBODY about being a born again christian - not even close friends!

[linah25]

Linah, just be warned...some people on these forums are very *Passionate* about these topics....my opinion each to their own :D

Thanks for the warning,

I don't wanna cause arguments as such, I just want hear different views that's all. :)

[Irene]

Tell him to stop believing in fairy tales, and dump the religion. ;)

[linah25]

Tell him to stop believing in fairy tales, and dump the religion. ;)



lol, brilliant!

[Marko]

Tell him to stop believing in fairy tales, and dump the religion. ;)

Damnit Irene ya beat me to it lol.

But yeah Linah, your mate shouldn't be ashamed of what he was born as. My cousin is openly gay and a Christian, he's of the opinion that if they don't like it, they can get fucked. Similar to my opinion, except I'm Atheist. Other than that, he could always do what Irene suggested...sometimes we all just have to grow out of bedtime stories lol.

[linah25]

Damnit Irene ya beat me to it lol.

But yeah Linah, your mate shouldn't be ashamed of what he was born as. My cousin is openly gay and a Christian, he's of the opinion that if they don't like it, they can get fucked. Similar to my opinion, except I'm Atheist. Other than that, he could always do what Irene suggested...sometimes we all just have to grow out of bedtime stories lol.

that's what I always say, unfortunately in society there are always gonna be people that wont accept others for who or what they are, he just needs to figure out what's more important, keeping it all a secret and bear all that pain of not being accepted or, tell the truth and finally lift the weight off his shoulders and be with those who love and care about him regardless. I was brought up in a christian family as a child but as soon as I realised that I couldnt make a good christian I chose a different way but luckily my family understood. THERE ARE ALWAYS CHOICES IN LIFE. :D

[Marko]

Exactly Linah. He has a choice about his religion, he needs to stop preventing himself from being what he is. Like you said there's always going to be some people out there that just wont accept people for who they are. But I say fuck them. If they're uncomfortable enough about themselves that they need to stoop to that level then, screw em. :]

A good example of one of those people is Joseph Nazinger below.

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp271/Curtiner/Alienvspredator.jpg

:]

[linah25]

so so true!

[trina2004]

I'll be upfront- I don't like religion. I think magical thinking should be discouraged in all its forms.

However I like Christians. (tempted to make a 'on toast' joke here) I know many nice ones. And if your friend is truly devout then telling him to just give up his faith is not going to help.

The thing is being gay doesn't have to be incompatible with religion. There are many religious apologists who bridge the gap.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3205727.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449325/Anti-gay-Christians-misread-Bible-says-Archbishop-Canterbury.html

For example the verses in which Paul condemns homosexuality are apparently mistranslated, they refer to pagan temple practices of ritual sex with young boys.

Some Christians believed King David and Jonathon were in a relationship.

"And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle."


I personally think Ruth and Naomi were in love.

Do not press me to leave you or to turn back from following you! Where you go, I will go; where you lodge I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God. Where you die, I will die — there will I be buried. May the Lord do thus and so to me, and more as well, if even death parts me from you!” (Ruth 1:16-17)

Sounds like a declaration of love to me.

Maybe you could get your friend to have a look at this site: http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/

[sneakos]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/p480x480/422701_410548268971538_166854740007560_88147643_83 0390629_n.jpg

[TheOldie]

each to his/her own.

So long as they dont start preaching the word of whatever they believe in to you which is what causes the problems.

[Irene]

Ask him about all the catholic pedophile priests.

[Irene]

Ruth 1: 14-16
14 And they lift up their voice, and wept again and Orpah kissed her mother in law, but Ruth clave unto her.

15 And she said, Behold, thy sister in law is gone back unto her people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law.

16 And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

To me it certainly seems that Ruth and Orpah were lesbians.

[trina2004]

Nah. In context Naomi is Ruth's mother in law, the one referred to in 'clave unto her', and the one Ruth is talking to in the following lines.

[badamj2000]

Omg

[BlueXY]

Thanks for the warning,

I don't wanna cause arguments as such, I just want hear different views that's all. :)

Check your Private Messages! :)

[badamj2000]

Omg

[linah25]

Check your Private Messages! :)

I sent you a reply :)

[Marko]

Lol religion...it always brings out the fight in folks lol.

[Iratei]

He has to figure out himself how to approach the situation. His church certainly wont help him beyond trying to wipe him of his homosexuality.

I say this but I know it isn't true. There must be other cases like your friend where there sexuality is a contradiction of their religious or ethical beliefs. I know there are Gay Christian groups in existence in the USA but no idea about here.

By becoming a born again christian this is something they need to deal with and will be formative.

[badamj2000]

He could join a Gay church such as the MCC or a gay-friendly one like HillSong?

[trina2004]

Hillsong is not gay friendly.

They believe gay folk are broken and in need of fixing.

[TheOldie]

Hillsong is not gay friendly.

They believe gay folk are broken and in need of fixing.

and there are 2 Hillsong guys on my Ferry each morning. I know cause one asked if we knew each other and was
it from Hillsong. Took a mighty effort not to burst out laughing in his face.

Yet the 2 always make eye contact. That kind of eye contact ! The married one especially and I'd do him just to fuck with his mind :)

[Lazzarus]

... The married one especially and I'd do him just to fuck with his mind :)

You wicked, wicked man ;)

[badamj2000]

and there are 2 Hillsong guys on my Ferry each morning. I know cause one asked if we knew each other and was
it from Hillsong. Took a mighty effort not to burst out laughing in his face.

Yet the 2 always make eye contact. That kind of eye contact ! The married one especially and I'd do him just to fuck with his mind :)

OMG Oldie, I thought you had me on 'ignore' and everything. I stand corrected.