moving to australia

[whcc90069]

i'm an american citizen and have been living in the states all my life. does anyone have any suggestions as to how i could permanently relocate to your great country? my e-mail address is whcc90069@yahoo.com. cheers.

[Catz]

Yeah I'm an american too... and have researched relocting as well. It's actually really hard to get a visa into australia. Especially for Americans.... It's not impossible... but your best bet is to go back to school and get a student visa... and then it would be easier from there to get a work visa...

[jeremyh]

Well,its not that easy to move in to Australia.One way is to get a student visa and then apply for the citizenship and the other way is of course to get married.

[faeriegoddess]

get married/ defacto r'ship. annoying, costly, time-consuming, but ultimately = win.

[wysiwyg]

your main point of reference should be www.immi.gov.au

there are several permanent residency visas available, the common one being the subclass-175 visa (independent skilled migration)

it's a points system based on your experience, age, qualifications, etc.

feel free to contact me as i am very much familiar with the immigration process

[ernesto_1]

his trying to get his partner ova :P

[badamj2000]

Im not sure if I approve... are you a nice person?

[clear-pvc]

come here as a student then get a job here when you graduate.

[bellsforher]

Just don't say you're a refugee. You'll end up somewhere not fun.

[bascia2]

Have a friend who did it this way. He is An Australian citizen now.

your main point of reference should be www.immi.gov.au

there are several permanent residency visas available, the common one being the subclass-175 visa (independent skilled migration)

it's a points system based on your experience, age, qualifications, etc.

feel free to contact me as i am very much familiar with the immigration process

[Anthony Mahera]

I'm trying to leave...

[badamj2000]

Do you have any bad habits or bugs?

[flounder]

Just don't say you're a refugee. You'll end up somewhere not fun.

Well refugees in Darwin are housed in a 3 star commercial motel completely rented out by our Government, hardly detention for some.

[wysiwyg]

Have a friend who did it this way. He is An Australian citizen now.

i am waiting for my fourth year in Australia when I can apply for Australian dual citizenship! :D

[faeriegoddess]

I married a guy for paperwork and he just got his citizenship recently. So I suppose we can get divorced now, but it's kinda convenient being on his health insurance and tax-write-off.

[badamj2000]

i am waiting for my fourth year in Australia when I can apply for Australian dual citizenship! :D
I dont think you should have it both ways. Go back to limeyland spotty!!!

[badamj2000]

Thank #### for that.

[shazzboy]

You do all realise the person who asked the question has not posted since 2007?

Anyway how the fuck do you get out of Australia? I have looked at every avenue and I am still trapped in this extortionate brain dead hellhole.

[mark_]

Well refugees in Darwin are housed in a 3 star commercial motel completely rented out by our Government, hardly detention for some.

This week a detention centre was announced for Tasmania! The cost of the airfares:eek: :eek:

[badamj2000]

You do all realise the person who asked the question has not posted since 2007?

Anyway how the fuck do you get out of Australia? I have looked at every avenue and I am still trapped in this extortionate brain dead hellhole.
Don't you have a 14 year sentence for stealing a lace handkerchief?

You could flap your armies?

[faeriegoddess]

Anyway how the fuck do you get out of Australia? I have looked at every avenue and I am still trapped in this extortionate brain dead hellhole.cheapest option would be to hitchhike a ride on the ferry to tasmania. :p

actually, if you have a passport, you can find flights to nearby countries like new zealand or several south east asian countries for under $200. stowing away on a container ship also works.

[shazzboy]

Yeah, but that would just be holidays.

I am just so sick of the extortionate cost of living AND low income. It would be different if the average salary was much higher, but it aint. The fact of the matter is that we get gigantically ripped off in this country.

I did a little real estate test comparison between Sydney and Toronto, which are the largest cities in 2 countries that have a roughly similar population size and history.

In the heart of Toronto you can rent an actual apartment(not studio) for under $800 a month with utilities included, as well as a fridge, microwave and heating/airconditioning.

In Sydney the equivalent of $200 a week will get you a share room in a run down 'guesthouse' 5km from the CBD.

We are royally screwed here and Ive just had a gutfull.

[wysiwyg]

You do all realise the person who asked the question has not posted since 2007?

Anyway how the fuck do you get out of Australia? I have looked at every avenue and I am still trapped in this extortionate brain dead hellhole.

http://www.zuji.com.au

[shazzboy]

Yes, but how do I stop getting deported.

[shazzboy]

That requires me to be useful.

[Gloomis666]

The entry into other countires is so harsh I mean what if you was astray in your twenties and aquired an extensive criminal record..

so harsh..so harsh

[wysiwyg]

That requires me to be useful.

well did you not reckon you won't get anything anywhere if you're ain't "useful"? then maybe try some third world country populated by tuberculosis-infested child laborers and see if it's better than australia.

things get more expensive cause sellers assume buyers can still afford (supply & demand, price elasticity). there are things in life you really have to work hard/smart for. if your neighbor is getting richer then you have to work harder to keep up 'cause they're causing the price imbalances. you need to keep up - it's harsh but it's the reality of living in a first world country with a capitalist structure. even communist china is now embracing capitalism one step at a time.

[mark_]

… what if you was astray in your twenties and aquired an extensive criminal record..
You can accept responsibility for your actions.

[faeriegoddess]

easy solution: go live in Brazil. excellent climate, super awesome community and party life. very easy to live incredibly cheaply and never get caught without a visa for years and years on end. It's also incredibly easy to get residency there (I have residency in Brazil without too much effort. admittedly, I did give birth there, but a lot of people just pay a teen mom $100 or something to put their name on the birth cert as father, and presto! residency!)
for much less than your $200/week rent in a Sydney hovel you can rent a whole beach house and live the high life, and still have spare change to save up for visits home.
India is even cheaper and almost as easy to stay long-term (but not to everyone's taste).

[Johngirl]

I'd love to get out of this crap country too. It's full of smug arsehole recent immigrants who think they're shithot because they emigrated here as a poxy hairdresser or chef or something. And it's way too fucking expensive. And I hate it when people say "Oh, go and live in the Third World." Well, no, actually. I was freaking born here and paid taxes all my life like my parents and grandparents. Why should I live in the Third World... Anyway this country will be completely povvo once the population explodes due to excessive immigration.

[faeriegoddess]

wtf

[shazzboy]

well did you not reckon you won't get anything anywhere if you're ain't "useful"? then maybe try some third world country populated by tuberculosis-infested child laborers and see if it's better than australia.

things get more expensive cause sellers assume buyers can still afford (supply & demand, price elasticity). there are things in life you really have to work hard/smart for. if your neighbor is getting richer then you have to work harder to keep up 'cause they're causing the price imbalances. you need to keep up - it's harsh but it's the reality of living in a first world country with a capitalist structure. even communist china is now embracing capitalism one step at a time.

Well actually the reasons why Australia is so expensive is because of monopolies and a lack of competition. Overtaxation, massive bureaucracy, incompetence, corruption, a lack of investment due to having an undereducated population for a first world nation. Also because of the mining boom which has massively inflated average earnings due to a handful of people getting super rich.

[orrightfellas]

How do i get into mining please?

[wysiwyg]

Well actually the reasons why Australia is so expensive is because of monopolies and a lack of competition. Overtaxation, massive bureaucracy, incompetence, corruption, a lack of investment due to having an undereducated population for a first world nation. Also because of the mining boom which has massively inflated average earnings due to a handful of people getting super rich.

from an expat's point of view . . .

from my own investigation i have seen lots of Australian advantages compared to other countries. that's why i emigrated to Australia in the first place! Canada is the only comparable English-speaking country i can think of, but i hate their climate full stop. US get around half of your earnings to taxes, UK is in deep economic shit (high inflation and unemployment), and i don't bother considering European countries (except maybe some scandinavian or german-speaking countries), with language barriers / climate and with Portugal Ireland and Greece (possibly Spain next in line) living outside their means and begging for financial bailout. i've worked in major financial centers and if you think the other countries are better than australia you're only kidding yourself. there's no perfect place. you are lucky you have a strong Aussie dollar and relatively lower inflation (except for bananas of course) otherwise you are in deep trouble.

i can tell you i am highly optimistic about the Australian economy compared to the other countries. the macroeconomic fundamentals are strong and i am very happy to be in Australia at this very sweet time whilst the rest of the 1st world are busy fighting fires of their own.

[shazzboy]

All of the economic debate is pointless as no one knows whats going to happen. I have read plenty of 'experts' from both camps claiming Australia will either boom or bust. I think we will eventually bust, but later than the other first world countries and it will hit us harder as we rely practically just on mining.

As for the Aussie dollar that only counts if you are going on a holiday, cause it sure has ZERO impact on the price of imported goods. In fact imported goods have continued to increase in price despite the booming dollar. We are being extortionately ripped off.

As for climate, I hate the typical Australia climate. I hate summer and spring here, winter is ok and i like autumn. I much prefer very cold to very hot.

[badamj2000]

Well actually the reasons why Australia is so expensive is because of monopolies and a lack of competition. Overtaxation, massive bureaucracy, incompetence, corruption, a lack of investment due to having an undereducated population for a first world nation. Also because of the mining boom which has massively inflated average earnings due to a handful of people getting super rich.
Yes and no.

At the turn of the last century, Australians were the wealthiest, healthiest and most educated people in the world. We remain in the top 20 for most international indicators for standards of living today. And we are 'nice' people.

We are also the second most foreign-owned country in the world after Canada. We have the export profile of a 'banana republic' as a result of an over reliance on Imperial trade. Intellectual life has been systematically blinkered by Anglocentrism.

True, there is are a lot of monopolies in OZ this may be due to a historical dependence on foreign capital - ie lack of local capital . Wealth and business are becoming ever more concentrated but this is an international phenomenon .The recent high real estate prices are a product of greedy speculation and vote buying.
Our best students are on par with the best in the world . Our average students are no match for the disciplined average Asian scholars. Our investment in research and development is half the OECD average.

We are a relatively small nation which punches above-its-weight in all fields of endeavor. Media/ Murdoch, the Arts, Science, Medicine, Agriculture, Mining.sports, design, invention, you name it....

We are very placed to benefit from the Pacific Century: resource rich, well educated, good infrastructure , proximity. etc

What are the English the best at the world at nowadays; being British? A little island off Belguim...

Bla bla bla

[museboy]

I agree with wysiwyg - while nowhere is perfect the Australian economy is positioned better than most, in terms of Government finances and future growth prospects.

Moving from NZ, I noticed the cost of living is about the same but wages here a much higher.

[museboy]

And we are 'nice' people.

Haha everywhere I've been around the world, everyone says that about themselves! Makes me wonder where the 'mean' people are.

[shazzboy]

Well im a rude, spiteful and vindictive bastard so im doing my part.

[badamj2000]

To shazzboy LOL Fair enough sir

[badamj2000]

Haha everywhere I've been around the world, everyone says that about themselves! Makes me wonder where the 'mean' people are.
I know, nothing like self praise:) . Anyhow - we have a myth of egalitarianism - which is 'nicer' than say ruthless competition as in America, or a formal Caste or class structure ? 'We' are also the least 'corrupt ' nation in the world: South East Asian countries do not fair well on this International Transparency Index :) we have a very high rate of voluntarism especially in times of crisis and we give a lot of foreign aid.

[faeriegoddess]

I can tell you: the mean people are in Israel.

Economics aside, Australia isn't perfect, but it's definitely the best you're going to find anywhere. And I say this as an Australian who left at 19 and spent 8 years overseas, travelled through over 50 countries and lived for a reasonable amount of time in Germany, Holland, South Africa, Israel, Brazil, Thailand, India and Canada. I ended up with Israeli citizenship, residency in Brazil and an offer for a permanent visa in Thailand.
And after all that, I came back to Australia to settle down - not because it's "home" (after all that I didn't have a sense of home here at all and arriving into Melbourne felt entirely like landing in a new country), but because it's the best place to live on just about every scale you want to count it on.
If you don't like it, leave. If you want to complain about the bits that aren't perfect: great! just do so constructively and complain to the people who can actually do something about it. push for change. stand for government. otherwise it's just masturbatory whinging.

[badamj2000]

OMG, you have been everywhere! You may stay:)

[faeriegoddess]

well, to be fair, I haven't been to Uzbekistan.

[bascia2]

How do i get into mining please?

http://www.miningcareers.com.au/

[orrightfellas]

Is it appropriate to suck a hot miner underground?

[badamj2000]

YEs it is quite acceptable. I understand that it is very hot underground and so miners often wear little clothing. Just saying.

[badamj2000]

Frankly, I think only 'nice' people should be allowed in. This is precisily why we need a Bill of Rights - to enshrine and propagate 'niceness' before it is lost forever.

[wysiwyg]

Frankly, I think only 'nice' people should be allowed in. This is precisily why we need a Bill of Rights - to enshrine and propagate 'niceness' before it is lost forever.
The immigration department ran through all of my police records and even requested a US FBI clearance for fucks sake! And I had to go through various medical tests to ensure I won't be a Medicare burden. Australia is only interested in the money I bring in and the money I make in this country.

[badamj2000]

Are you sure you are not being admitted on humanitarian grounds coz you are 'special'?

I think you will find that most countries follow similar immigration screening procedures/rationale? Im glad they do arent you?

[wysiwyg]

As for the Aussie dollar that only counts if you are going on a holiday, cause it sure has ZERO impact on the price of imported goods. In fact imported goods have continued to increase in price despite the booming dollar. We are being extortionately ripped off.

inflation is not happening just in Australia my dear, it's all over the world, even China. there's a war in Libya of course oil is more expensive, etc etc. you are lucky for the strong AUD otherwise it is much worse than it already is. in other countries they're struggling to control inflation. also in Australia the supermarkets are currently engaged in price wars, many grocery items have become cheaper as a result.

keep things in perspective my dear. i mentioned Australian comparative (relative) advantage, not absolute advantage. just because some things are not desirable in Australia does not make it more desirable elsewhere. it could be much worse!

and more importantly, we should live within our means. no one deserves a good lifestyle without working/investing harder/smarter (or perhaps winning the lotto). some people think they are entitled to a better life without practical effort. that is bullcrap.

[wysiwyg]

Are you sure you are not being admitted on humanitarian grounds coz you are 'special'?

I think you will find that most countries follow similar immigration screening procedures/rationale? Im glad they do arent you?

I am not a boat person fortunately.

Skilled immigrants are generally 'nicer' than the locals because we've been through a lot of police and international security checks. :p

[faeriegoddess]

no one deserves a good lifestyle without working/investing harder/smarter (or perhaps winning the lotto). some people think they are entitled to a better life without practical effort. that is bullcrap.

Or you could just be smart like me and marry a rich guy who wants citizenship ;P

[badamj2000]

Or you could just be smart like me and marry a rich guy who wants citizenship ;P
Is that strictly legal? Do you take 'citizenship' so lightly? Tisk tisk tisk :)

[badamj2000]

I am not a boat person fortunately.

Skilled immigrants are generally 'nicer' than the locals because we've been through a lot of police and international security checks. :p
Wyss, but have they got past my mother?

[aussiegirl]

I am an Aussie, lived in the states for 13 years have a US green card, just moved home to Brisbane and am looking for some tips on getting my girl to Australia.
Would appreciate any tips, thanks!
Sue.