3am lock in protest outside Parliament House on the 25th of July, 2008. @5pm

[fuze_crew]

the protest for the 3am is set down for
outside Parliament House on the 22nd of auguest 2008. @5pm
we aim to 5000 to turn up we lock them
if have been bashed due the 3am lock in or know would to help out we looking speakers on the day and we some get t-shirts done ect
this could last ever change to remove it.
permit application has been made to qld police to hold it

so lets get fighting.

[paultoppy]

i hate the lockout

[CLUBQUBE]

i think we all hate it.
the new law will be the killer
they working wards shut clubs at 3am with 1am lock out
this all started to happen in brisbane
tell all friend we doing some poster and flyers which u can download and print .
this should put in next 2 days
get word out tell nanna Bligh
WERE TO GO

[waterrat]

are you guys missing some keys on your keyboard? ;)

[meezon04]

You've GOT to be kidding! God next thing you know we'll be like the Court Hotel in Perth, shutting at 2am i think it is. They are called NIGHTclubs for a reason people!

[CLUBQUBE]

protest have now been moved to
AUGUST 22ND 2008

[fuze_crew]

here is one off three posters u can down load to print out and hand out u could also use them as flyers it time get the word out there .
There more soon
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff151/fuze_crew/LOCKINPOSTER2-2.jpg

[Flashfire]

Ok can someone explain to me this lock out business. I don't quite know what you are all on about.

[fuze_crew]

Did You That At 3am If You Leave Any Night Club Or Bar In Qld You Will Not Ba Able To Get Back In That Venue Or Any Other Licenced Venue In Qld.
The Government Are Now Want Make Clubs Pay Up To $45000 A Year To Stay Open 3am-5am Still With A Lock In.
The Venues That Don't Pay Will Have 3am Shut With 1am Lock In.
The 3am Lock In Has Been A Law In Qld Now 4 Years It Not To Fight It,
I Hope That Help U

POSTER 1
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff151/fuze_crew/3amposter1.jpg

plz remember u could use any off these as posters or as hand bills
to get the word out there.

my space page will be up in a few days

[Christian Taylor]

is there any likelihood that gay venues in QLD will get exemptions, like they did in VIC?

[Flashfire]

I am still not sure of what the issue is.

But correct me if I am wrong, if you go to a nightclub and leave at a certain time you cannot get back into the nightclub or go somewhere else! Is that right?

Whats the problem with that?

I am not being funny, I just don't understand the protest about it. Seems like a good idea to me.

[Mildly Amused]

Hi Flashfire,

The issue relates to a bill currently before the Qld Parliment to make amendments to the current 2001 Liquor Act.

There are many amendments being put forward but the one that has caused this thread relates to the harm minimisation stategies being proposed for licensed venues in Qld. What started out as a licensing initiative for the Brisbane City Council (BCC) area is now becoming state wide.

As it currently stands, those venues that have the privelage to trade to 5am must not allow the movement of patrons between venues after 3am. Basically if you're not in by 3am, you can't get in or re-enter if you leave (for any reason - such as ducking out for a smoke). The startegy was designed to to try and address the social disorder issues that happen (intially in the Valley but now in other areas around Qld).

The Qld Government is also proposing a new licensing fee structure based on the amount of "harm" a venue can contribute towards in the community. In essence, a licensed venue will now pay an annual license fee. If they stay open later, say after midnight, the fee increases. The fee threshold increases if they trade after 3am. If they operate detached bottle shops, they pay more again (more harm apparently). If a venue plays loud music over a certian db rating, more fees again. If a venue doesn't offer food to their patrons, then more fees. You might be seeing a pattern here.....one might call it a tax! Some venues in the Valley will be up for an extra $45k per annum in their operating costs as mentioned above (and you can imagine who's ultimately going to pay for that)!

Alcohol (an it's abuse) is a hot topic for Governments, both at a state & federal level. I can't help but think that these statergies are more about politics and dare I say it, the added bonus of raising some reveue to offset the impact of reduced state government revues from the reduction in taxes derived from licensed venues gaming income caused by the recent smoking bans (don't get me wrong, don't have an issue with the smoking bans in enclosed spaces - sorry smokers out there).

The thing that amazes me is that they don't address (or even acknowledge) the issues of drugs - especially when they go on about all the social disorder issues in the Valley. In my opinion, that not caused solely by alcohol abuse - more of a combination of alcohol and drugs. You only have to see what happens when you see someone who's had a vile of G and a few drinks - eek! It's like mixing oil and water!

Anyway, I hope that helps. Time for me to partake in a little binge drinking (I'm having my third martini)!

Cheers!

[Mildly Amused]

God my spelling is atrocious!!~!

[Flashfire]

Ok now it all makes sense. I don't go out to venues these days anyway, and when I was a raging party goer, then all the venues closed at 2 am at the latest.

I don't know if the lock out, lock in is a good thing or a bad thing, but if it stops young people from wandering blindly across the road into the path of oncoming vehicles, along the road that leads up to the Story Bridge then it has my vote.

Maybe if all the nightclubs closed at 3 am and everyone went home, there would not be this much of a problem.

[paultoppy]

whyshould the behavious of a small minority afffect the majority of people who want to enjoy night time music and entertainment?

like they say on the melbourne lockout protestt website:

Increased street traffic is a major outcome of these new laws. In the Gold Coast when these laws were introduced people naturally spilled out of the nightclubs and onto the street causing police to be overrun with violence and disorderly behaviour.

People not able to get home – not enough cabs (not to mention associated issues with cab drivers being unwilling to take intoxicated passengers) will result in more people on the streets not able to find a way home

People unable to exit a venue to get fresh air or food.

With the lockdown people will be more inclined to drink in the street or outside closed off venues.

In November 2005 London extended its drinking hours and lifted its lockout to battle the number of assaults and drunken behaviour; it worked and continues to be extended further.

The London tests have found that binge drinking decreased overall because patrons could spread out their drinking over a longer period of time.

There is no proof that a lockout will decrease violence or decrease drinking, only evidence to the contrary as more people spill out onto the street.

i hate the lockout.

[fuze_crew]

the underground radio is going chat to key about the 3am lock out we all ready have alot line up , we put out call to lot in government but no one in power in government
we have talk to
Boyle Desley, (Desley) [Hon Ms]
Minister for Tourism,

Fraser Andrew, Peter (Andrew) [Hon]

Spence Judith, Caroline (Judy) [Hon Ms]
Minister for Police,

not one is keen to come radio about this.
my question what they got hide
how there other we set up ready to talk.
this will happen over next few weeks on the underground radio show

[Thrawn04]

Forgive my ignorance but I woudn't mind it if they introduced these laws. I'm just against alcohol/drugs so anything that discourages them is a 'good' thing in my books. Then again I have absolutely no contact with alcohol/drugs and not exactly social so I have no idea what really happens.

With the lockdown people will be more inclined to drink in the street or outside closed off venues.

I find it unfortunate and slightly depressing that some people in society would do this. It creates a rock and a hard place - venues that 'endorse' alcohol (and drug) consumption or far greater risky and harmful alcohol/drug practices.

Why do people consume alcohol/drugs knowing the effects and consequences they bring??? Why do they still do it when they most likely witnessed the harm alcohol/drugs cause? :confused:
It annoys me because its a vicious cycle. People in one generation experiement, have kids and warn them not to start - so the kids experiment in rebellion and 'they did it, why can't I' mentality - and so on and so forth through the generations...
What can we do?

*sigh* :o
I don't mean to offend anyone - I'm just airing my dislike of alcohol/drugs... :(

[fuze_crew]

from qld pride

Rally to protest lock-out law PDF Print E-mail
Thursday, 31 July 2008

newsrally-250.jpgHotel and nightclub patrons will rally outside Parliament House on August 22 to protest the state’s liquor laws, which prevent people entering licensed premises after 3am.

Protest organiser Andy C, 36, a 21 year veteran of Brisbane’s nightclub industry, told Queensland Pride he hoped 2,000 people would attend the protest and force the Bligh Government to change the law, which he claimed had increased street violence, particularly in Fortitude Valley.

“I think that ever since the 3am lock-in, there’s been a lot more violence in the way that people behave – rather than being spread out, they’re in the same area,” the promoter and Switch-AM DJ told Queensland Pride.

“The Valley has changed, especially the gay and lesbian community. It has gone from an accepting environment to an environment where metrosexuals have taken over and are not as accepting.

“The 3am lock in hasn’t worked to reduce violence purely because people like to wander and people are being kicked out on the street. People can’t even go out for a smoke,” he said.

The 3am lock-out was also to blame for a decline in smaller venues.

“There has been a decline, especially the underground music scene. Before the laws I used to get 500 people to small events, but now it’s 200 or 300 or so, and I think the lock-out has a lot to do with that,” he said.

Andy C said he was hoping people who may have been attacked or bashed because of the lock-out would come forward and speak at the rally.

“People can also go to our MySpace site. We’re encouraging people go and download the posters, make handbills, and distribute them as well,” he said.


http://qlp.e-p.net.au/news/rally-to-protest-lock-out-law-2088.html

[fuze_crew]

~ Job losses resulting from decreased trade

~ Increased danger to people, in particular women, who are prevented from entering licensed premises for their own safety after 3am (eg: A young woman inadvertently goes outside, maybe to have something to eat, only to discover on her return at the door of the venue that it is now past 3am and she cannot get back in. All of her friends are still inside and she is left outside on her own, forced to wait in an ever-growing taxi line)

~ Having to use public toilets when you cant get into a venue to use one

~ Taxi rank lines becoming larger than they already are

~ Waiting in a queue to get into a club, getting to the front a few minutes past 3am and not being allowed in

~ Your right to visit different acts at various venues is limited to your last stop at 3am

~ The option to go out late will no longer be there

~ smoking laws are in place, are will not be able to come back into a venue after going outside for a cigarette

~ Hospitality staff don’t have the option to have after work drinks if their shift finishes at 3am or after

~ Your right to move between venues at any given time has been taken away
- stop the stop shut off nite at 3am


http://upload.sjc.uq.edu.au/2005/pdfs/timoct5.pdf


Victorian Premier John Brumby has refused to be drawn on whether Melbourne's controversial 2am lockout will be changed to 3am.

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/archive/00013235/01/13235.pdf
http://messenger-news.whereilive.com.au/news/story/lockout-doubt/

http://www.threedworld.com.au/music/features/2008/The%5F3am%5FCurfew%5F%5FLets%5FParty%5FLike%5FIts% 5F1959/


SA rules out legislating for pub lockout
The South Australian government has ruled out legislating for a 3am lock out at Adelaide's pubs and clubs to help combat binge drinking.

Consumer Affairs Minister Jennifer Rankine said a planned trial by police to prevent people from entering pubs and clubs after 3am (CST) would remain voluntary.

"While the government is generally supportive of the police trial, the government will not be legislating to make the trial compulsory," Ms Rankine said.

"If pubs and clubs don't want to participate, we will not be forcing them to do so."

Ms Rankine said the police trial would need to produce convincing results before the government would be prepared to consider taking further action.

"Any lockout would impact not only on young ones enjoying a night out, but all age groups," she said.

"The fact is, most people who attend our pubs and clubs have a great night out and shouldn't be penalised for the behaviour of a few louts."

As well as watching the impact of the Adelaide trial, Ms Rankine said the government also would observe similar trials in other cities.

The three-month trial lockout of pubs and clubs is due to finish on September 2 and will be subject to a review.

Venue operators have rallied against the curfew, which is intended to curb alcohol-fuelled street violence.

There is speculation the lockout will either be scrapped altogether or changed to 3am.

Mr Brumby said no decision would be made ahead of the evaluation, which will involve police, pubs and clubs, patrons and alcohol groups.

"There's a lot of people saying 'Will they?', 'Won't they?'. 'Has it failed?' 'Has it succeeded?'

"It was always a trial and a trial is, by its nature, a trial to see whether it works, to see whether it's succeeded, to see whether it's changed behaviours."

Mr Brumby said the government remained 100 per cent committed to combating night violence.

"But the lockout was one part of a number of strategies we've got in place.

"We'll review it and then we'll make a decision later this year about whether there will be further permanent lockouts or whether there won't."




THIS FRIDAY PEOPLE......
WHO COMING
WERE HAVE U ALL PUT POSTERS AND FLYERS LET ME KNOW

[pdunni]

I think it's a joke.

The amount of fights I have seen after 5am is more than I have ever seen in Sydney. There are fights after 3am when bouncers try to stop people getting in and there are fights in the taxi lines as you can wait over an hour for cabs who, as previously mentioned, are selective on who they take due to area as there is a huge selection of patrons. Not only that but many gay people get abused by these drunk/drugged people as they are frustrated for the venue closing and want to take it out on someone.

Again, I have never had these issues in my years of partying in Sydney.

Short sighted and showy politics at its best.

[OUTsource]

How did this go? How many protesters? :)

[reality]

why is this so called brisbane?melbourne? adelaide? or whatever it is... gay press asking a sydney webb site how a protest in brisbane went ?
mmmmmmmmmmmmm , call me stupid if you want , but if they are the gay media shouldnt they be telling us how it went? lol
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[paultoppy]

just goes to show what they're interests are

i don't find outsource mag interesting enough to piclk up becaus theres not enough arts music or other stuf that i like to read about so i'm not surprised about them asking after this protest happened

[gaynproud]

Got to agree there. With a huge fan fare they promised the earth and more and what do you get? You get a very boring magazine that would be at home in a doctors waiting room for you to read while you are waiting for your appointment time. With very little interesting articles or pictures I doubt very much they will be around for long. I don't think they did their homework very well when they decided to start up a new magazine and it really shows. The owners of Queensland Pride and Qnews must be laughing at this very clumsy attempt at a GLBTQ magazine.

[OUTsource]

Hi guys - don't hold back or anything! Ha ha.

Nah, seriously though, feedback is good in whatever form it takes. It is unfortunate that we couldn't be at this protest to get the information for ourselves, however a small team means that we can't be everywhere all at once.

Fair point on not having the kind of content to keep 100% of people100% happy - but might I suggest that if you think we should be including something, think about becoming a contributor - send us an email :)

[hazyinseptember]

^ good response!!!

[gaynproud]

Yes it maybe a good response Hazyinseptember but not everyone has a lot of time on their hands to be a contributor to a magazine. I still stand by my comments that they have not done their homework well enough in setting up a new magazine in Queensland. Outsource states that they are a small team and can't be everywhere but as this event happened in Brisbane their hometown and there wasn't much happening at the same time as it was on I can only perceive that they didn't think it was news worthy enough to actually attend the event. When you start a new business you need to put in a hell of a lot of extra work to make sure that you put out a polished finished product in the early stages of its life to ensure that you create a product that people will want and continue to want. Sadly Outsource does not seem to fit this catagory. I wish them well as competition in any business is the best way to grow and get better but I fear that Outsource will not be able to rise to the occasion to raise the bar in publishing in Queensland. :)

[paultoppy]

if you think we should be including something, think about becoming a contributor - send us an email :)

don't think i need to if you reaad this site
and i dn't have much time to write stuff - i'm a uni student
the first guy was right - if you need to ask it shows you don't raelly care
i care - my rights are being takken away by these laws and they also have been lnked to increaes in gay bashings in the valley - you guys should care about that right?

[hazyinseptember]

When you start a new business you need to put in a hell of a lot of extra work to make sure that you put out a polished finished product in the early stages of its life to ensure that you create a product that people will want and continue to want. Sadly Outsource does not seem to fit this catagory. I wish them well as competition in any business is the best way to grow and get better but I fear that Outsource will not be able to rise to the occasion to raise the bar in publishing in Queensland. :)

yeah right..

god help them if they have not reached all their goals by issue 2

[zaph]

Long time listner, first time caller..

perhaps Outsource are pitching themselves at doctors waiting rooms? i'd find it a better read than the childrens books and womens weeklys at my doctor.

[outdoornman2]

hey guys
just picked up my first copy of OUTsource...
having worked overseas in the gay publication trade b4, i find the content pretty damn good....gr8 size of magazine, gr8 quality paper, plenty of information, and not some cheap looking publication that has more ads than content..
clearly all publishers will have a difficult time introducing a new mag to a city like ours, but good on them for having the balls to give it a go.
i was always dissillusioned by another publication who seemed more interested in making bucks from advertising, than giving us information, and foto content of events was only considered if the venue was advertising...i have a good example of that if anyone cares to ask me...
if u haven't, give OUTsource a go for a few more issues before u pass judgement, and remember that competition is only going to benefit us, the reader....