Ban Cosmetic Sex Change Surgery

[BrianBeahr]

Gay men, such as myself, do not find females sexually attractive, and gay men only try to attract other gay men. And because gay men don’t find females sexually attractive and are only trying to attract other gay men who don’t find females sexually attractive, gay men will not pretend to be female to try and attract somebody.

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Bisexual does not mean both homosexual and heterosexual or both male and female.
There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.
There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.

I believe that cosmetic sex change surgery should be banned in this country.
There is no need for that surgery under any circumstances.
Why bother even vaguely toying with the idea of allowing it to be performed?

Ban it via legislation in state and federal parliaments ASAFP.

A male is a male and a female is a female and there is no doubt or inbetween.
Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.

:mad:

[jackie87]

Get fucked, or more ideally

Don't leave Moe

[hazyinseptember]

wow.. your a nut job

[hazyinseptember]

sorry.. this is crazy.. and why oh why would you post this in every forum...???

[jackie87]

One thread in one forum is enough pls..

[weathervain]

Get a Style Wallaby Jack

[weathervain]

Um how about no threads in no forums. I'd prefer that

[sneakos]

dear oh dear oh dear ......

[genkij]

Why the fuck would you post something like that ..... what an absolute moron !!

[DeepBlueDreamer]

Gippslander...you've been to Melbourne pride...you celebrate our community...and then write drivel on the internet?!

What's going on!?!?!

[genkij]

Gay men, such as myself, do not find females sexually attractive, and gay men only try to attract other gay men. And because gay men don’t find females sexually attractive and are only trying to attract other gay men who don’t find females sexually attractive, gay men will not pretend to be female to try and attract somebody.

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Bisexual does not mean both homosexual and heterosexual or both male and female.
There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.
There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.

I believe that cosmetic sex change surgery should be banned in this country.
There is no need for that surgery under any circumstances.
Why bother even vaguely toying with the idea of allowing it to be performed?

Ban it via legislation in state and federal parliaments ASAFP.

A male is a male and a female is a female and there is no doubt or inbetween.
Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.

Why are people into Banning stuff that doesn't firectly impact them ?? Ha sosmeone threatened you with plastic gentre reasignment met ??

Just like this who opposition to gay marrages / civil unions why ...If it doesn't effect you then let people do what they want .... everyone's a critic !

[TheOldie]

Gay men, such as myself, do not find females sexually attractive, and gay men only try to attract other gay men. And because gay men don’t find females sexually attractive and are only trying to attract other gay men who don’t find females sexually attractive, gay men will not pretend to be female to try and attract somebody.

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Bisexual does not mean both homosexual and heterosexual or both male and female.
There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.
There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.

I believe that cosmetic sex change surgery should be banned in this country.
There is no need for that surgery under any circumstances.
Why bother even vaguely toying with the idea of allowing it to be performed?

Ban it via legislation in state and federal parliaments ASAFP.

A male is a male and a female is a female and there is no doubt or inbetween.
Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.


Oh my.
You are so ill-formed its laughable.
You cannot have done any research on this otherwise you would not have posted.

Can I ask. Have you been recommended for gender reasignment ?

Hardly anything in life is black and white. A lot of grey areas.

[Kane-St-Kane]

So basically.... What you are saying is there are never any issues in the process of conception and everybody comes out perfectly male and female?

Yeaaaaaaars ago I wen't to school with someone who was 'Gender Neutral'. Should they not be able to pick the sex they relate to most and throuhg the wonders o cosmetic surgery achieve it?

Also, this isn't a Gay/Bisexual/Straight issue. Sure, transexuals generally hang out with a lot of Gay's but this is due to the fact that they too are a minority.

Gender reassignment surgery isn't a boobjob, and the people that undergo this surgery pass a strict set of psychological tests. What you are suggesting is repugnant.

Would you ban a person from having an ugly growth, say a goitre, removed from their face, because they just want to be who they are and not 'Goitre Girl'?

[AboutMe]

Gay men, such as myself, do not find females sexually attractive, and gay men only try to attract other gay men. And because gay men don’t find females sexually attractive and are only trying to attract other gay men who don’t find females sexually attractive, gay men will not pretend to be female to try and attract somebody.

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Bisexual does not mean both homosexual and heterosexual or both male and female.
There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.
There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.

I believe that cosmetic sex change surgery should be banned in this country.
There is no need for that surgery under any circumstances.
Why bother even vaguely toying with the idea of allowing it to be performed?

Ban it via legislation in state and federal parliaments ASAFP.

A male is a male and a female is a female and there is no doubt or inbetween.
Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.



Multiple choice question.

1) Were you -

a) recommended for gender re-assignment ?
b) made a pass at a guy who was previously a female ?
c) had a transgender make a pass at you ?

[camiseta]

I hear banjos playing

[Christian Taylor]

jade? where are you?

brian - unless you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes, it's best not to speak. people need more choices in their lives, not less. and fundamentally, these people should be able to make such decisions about their own bodies themselves.

another example of people wanting to police other people's bodies! go and tend to your own backyard.

[Jody Ekert]

I was waiting for the joke at the end. So inaccurate it's not funny. Total black and white thinking - against all scientific research too. And to post that proudly here of all places?

[lil_woo]

you are a wingnut!!!

im a professional drag queen, meaning i get paid to do shows, not only in clubs and events and other states! I do not in ANYway want to be a woman (other then performing) but what you have suggested in your RANT is the kind of thing we have been protesting since..well, your day, aka, AWHILE NOW!

so before you put such stupid things up on an open forum, how about you use what lil of a brain you have and pull your head out and have a think.

w@nker.

[coast_boy]

Shit, what a crazy post!
I always thought gay people would be the most open minded, tolerant people due to being oppressed and all the rest...
Whats wrong with this guy??
No offence, your opinion is your opinion, but jeez, calm down dude!!

[AboutMe]

I hear banjos playing


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

thanks for putting that smile on my face :)

[Chancethegardener]

You can't be serious, Shirley?

And because gay men don’t find females sexually attractive and are only trying to attract other gay men who don’t find females sexually attractive, gay men will not pretend to be female to try and attract somebody.

This has nothing to do with gender ID issues. Whilst what you've said is conceptually true, it seems your premise is that people who undergo gender reassignment surgery are only doing so in order to attract men (if changing from male to female). That's very shortsighted of you.

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception.

What about hermaphrodites?

There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.

See above comment.

There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.

Ask any psychologist who has dealt with people who have gender ID issues if they think their patients do not truly believe they have been born in the wrong body.

Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.

Who's forcing who into what now?

Seriously, was this post a joke?

[kwickeemart]

im sooooo confused i forgot to do something.......

[Light-Bearer]

For a while I have been sitting on responding to this, cos i didnt want to dignify it with a response, and couldnt really understand what would motivate someone to start a thread as ignorant and as ill informed as this one.

You see Brian Behr we all have our beliefs and we all have our opinions. For instance, I strongly believe that stupid, ignorant people should have their little pudgy fingers broken when approaching a key board to type up their petty, hate manifestos.
I know, I know, some would accuse me of being old fashioned, and perhaps even judgy. But I just can't help myself. It's a hobby i have learned to embrace.
I also believe that what others decide to do with their genitals is none of my business. Quite frankly, most of the time, i dont even care what mine are doing. I just dont have the energy. As long as they arent starting house fires, I'm happy.

How secure you must feel in your sanitised and ordered little world. But tell me Brian, what's your opinion on assholes?

[Zakalwe]

A bit of a shock to read something like this on SameSame.
I guess some people dont realise that science is discovering that gender is not as simple as XX or XY, there's more to it than that!

[morgan]

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Actually, there's a hell of a lot of doubt. There are XX men, XY women, XO women and XXY men or women, as well as other people born different (http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex).

A few XY women were barred from competing in the Olympics until the Olympics committee realized that there was no doubt-free way of defining a man or a woman.

A lot of kids - possibly as many as one in every 1-2,000 (http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency) - is born with non-standard genitalia or genetics. Many are forced into surgery as babies or young children, including here in Australia (http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1419526.htm). Now that is unnecessary and 'cosmetic' surgery, and personally it makes me feel mad and ill.

Just FWIW, intersex (which is what this is about) is very different to transsexuality.

San Francisco Human Rights Commission report (PDF) (http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/sfhumanrights/Committee_Meetings/Lesbian_Gay_Bisexual_Transgender/SFHRC%20Intersex%20Report(1).pdf)

[dreadcircus]

FIRSTLY. It's fantastic that SameSame let ex wrestlers from the WWE "The Bushwhackers" join our welcoming friendly GLBTQI website. Hey even fat freaky judgemental bearded weirdo's have a place at SS.

SENCONDLY. How dare you come into this space and undermine years of scientific research and evidence that SRS (Sex Reassignment Surgery - you cant even get the terminology correct stupid) helps many transgender people get through life. Would you have rather known that I killed myself in the knowledge that some asshole like you contributed to taking away the minimal funding that goes toward SRS????? Go and read up idiot on just how much this govt contributes to TG people.. I'm sure you will be quite happy in your little cozy cave there knowing we get less funding than EVERYBODY....

Listen here you grubby little lumberjack I'd love to see you get through life living in my shoes. To see first hand at the confusion being TG brings and the absolute hatered that comes from society toward people like myself for something I have no control over. I could be just as ignorant as you dipshit and recommend your homosexual activities be checked out by a psych and you should be arrested as it's not normal for a man to love another man.. but that would be ridiculous because it happens and its normal.. if it happens = it's normal

THIRDLY. Your knowledge on humanity seems about as basic as a playschool episode. We live in a world which is very very far from black & white. FFS there is a guy in asia who's disease makes it look like he's turning into a tree. Children born without skin, Under developed brains etc. Are you completely retarded??? Anything can happen in this world we live in and there are enough transgender people in this world who are pre and post surgery and live amazing lives. Look how many transgender people there are on this planet and you make out it's some form of crazy coca cola yo-yo fad??? You think we just make it up to butcher our bodies??? You think anybody in their right mind would choose to be transgender?? Seriously do you live in a cave Bluto???

I am absolutely disgusted by your post and the need to post it in every section on this site. If I ran into you in the street I wouldn't even waste my saliva on you asshole. How dare you stand on your pathetic soapbox and brandish a bunch of shit you know nothing about and NEVER will.

Call me judgemental and a bitch for this reply but I don't really care for this Gypsy who obviously lives in a motor home and has the intelligence of sandpaper. Stay in your redneck world sucking dick and cleaning sprog from your face hair cave monster and shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing of.

EVERD HEARD OF EVOLUTION???? Well buddy it's real and as we humans evolve you can take your x, xy, xx garbage and stick it where the sun don't shine. Human beings are evolving creatures and there are many examples of these so called locked in standards do not apply.... I have to admit I don't think I've come up against anybody in this community as ignorant as you... Congrats

[weathervain]

I think I found Brian on Youtube Jade..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PXGb8FlCao

[dreadcircus]

I think I found Brian on Youtube Jade..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PXGb8FlCao

IT's OFFICIAL - My sides have split and are dribbling out of the office from laughter....
O M F G - R O F L M F A O...

I love it!!

[Chancethegardener]

I think I found Brian on Youtube Jade..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PXGb8FlCao


Hahaha. He's drinking light beer too! I'd love to see him make a video after hitting the whisky.

[Christian Taylor]

i bet mother's proud...

[Bren]

I believe that cosmetic sex change surgery should be banned in this country.

For what good reason and for what legit individual or public benefit?

(Contempt & intolerance are not good reasons and do not legitimately benefit the public nor the individual.)

To quote from the picture you took at Midsumma Pride March 2008 in Melbourne (http://photos.samesame.com.au/people/BrianBeahr/Pride2008.jpg.html), "THIS IS A DISCRIMINATION FREE EVENT". Have a think about what that means, hey?http://photos.samesame.com.au/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=172321

[justcol]

Bryan perhaps we should all put in and send you to IRAN...
gays there are now sentenced to :p :p gender reasignment,wow wouldnt that make your day LOL

[dreadcircus]

Well Brian.. I'll be performing at Midsumma next year why don't you pop along to one of my shows and tell my audience just how sub human I am I'm sure you'll go down a treat. Make sure you bring an equality flag to wave :)

[hazyinseptember]

i have a sneaky feeling that this might be a wind up..

maybe this is someone else trolling for bait? or revenge?

people seem to know this guy.. would he post something like this?

seems pretty fucked up and pretty bizarre ..

[jackie87]

Maybe he just wants to make a splash and get us all fired up

Fuckin attention whore..

[sTaRiA]

gott love assholes that drop some bomb and then run off and hide. Gutless freak!

[BrianBeahr]

Get fucked, or more ideally

Don't leave Moe

Is that a threat?

[BrianBeahr]

For what good reason and for what legit individual or public benefit?

(Contempt & intolerance are not good reasons and do not legitimately benefit the public nor the individual.)

To quote from the picture you took at Midsumma Pride March 2008 in Melbourne (http://photos.samesame.com.au/people/BrianBeahr/Pride2008.jpg.html), "THIS IS A DISCRIMINATION FREE EVENT". Have a think about what that means, hey?http://photos.samesame.com.au/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=172321

what i said is not discrimination.

People can dress however they like - i dont care what people wear. I have no kind of discrimination towards anyone of either gender (male or female) or the sexualities. If people want to dress like the other gender and are genuinely doing it of their own free will - whatever. I have never discriminated against anyone who has had cosmetic surgery and never will.

Maybe that should say 'no trying to force men to pretend to be female, no discrimination against people who dont pretend to be bisexual and no discrimination against males who dont wear females clothing.'

[BrianBeahr]

i bet mother's proud...

The silence of the christian taylor (you off the iste) will be a relief to everybody.
Some of the emails you send out to people directly to email addresses who subscribe are an absolute disgrace.

[Chancethegardener]

Maybe that should say 'no trying to force men to pretend to be female, no discrimination against people who dont pretend to be bisexual and no discrimination against males who dont wear females clothing.'

WTF? Can you tell us who's forcing who to pretend to be of the opposite gender?

What you're saying makes no sense at all.

[BrianBeahr]

wow.. your a nut job

Perhaps you should be investigated by the police fr that Boosh. Do you get a kick out of that kind of comment.

[Jody Ekert]

Right...I vote that everybody just back away and don't engage the troll. The internet is full of them, maybe we can all just not respond in this case and not give them the attention they crave.

[BrianBeahr]

So basically.... What you are saying is there are never any issues in the process of conception and everybody comes out perfectly male and female?

Yeaaaaaaars ago I wen't to school with someone who was 'Gender Neutral'. Should they not be able to pick the sex they relate to most and throuhg the wonders o cosmetic surgery achieve it?

Also, this isn't a Gay/Bisexual/Straight issue. Sure, transexuals generally hang out with a lot of Gay's but this is due to the fact that they too are a minority.

Gender reassignment surgery isn't a boobjob, and the people that undergo this surgery pass a strict set of psychological tests. What you are suggesting is repugnant.

Would you ban a person from having an ugly growth, say a goitre, removed from their face, because they just want to be who they are and not 'Goitre Girl'?

A Male is Male, (like myself) and a female is female - every dna strand in the entire body of a male (in every cell that has a dna strand) says that person is male. Cosmetic surgery does change a persons gender. Every dna strand in the entire body of a male who has had that kind of surgery (in every cell that has a dna strand) still says that person is male after they have had that surgery.

[BrianBeahr]

You off this site will be a relief to everfybody.

The emails you send out directly to peoples email addresses are an absolute fucking disgrace.

[genkij]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

[genkij]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

http://www.transaustralia.com.au/resources/GD_Explained_Web.pdf

[BrianBeahr]

Get fucked, or more ideally

Don't leave Moe

Is that a Threat.

[dreadcircus]

OK folks it's official Brian is the websites punching bag. He actually expects us to believe there are doctors out there forcing men and women into sex changes. Seriously you ill informed yokel I'll bet the medical profession would love to stop doing sex changes. Unfortunately gender conditions exist and the best possible way to treat the majority of cases is to perform a surgery. Are you really that stupid to believe doctors force patients into a surgery..

Honestly you are a backward thinking moron who does not fit into my world where people are treated with respect for who they are and how they choose to live or change their body. Your ignorance is staggering and all you have done is succeed in proving even the gay community has a ways to go in term of acceptance also. I feel very sorry for you in your obviously lonely and twisted world. You have been a member of this site for almost a year and only yesterday made your first contribution and for what it's worth your contribution was a devicive attack on people and issues you obviously know fuck all about.

In future I suggest you actually think about what you write before sprouting of a bunch of bullshit. Perhaps crawl back in your cave for another year Mr Bear and hybernate on what you have said and who you have offended!

[BrianBeahr]

jade? where are you?

brian - unless you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes, it's best not to speak. people need more choices in their lives, not less. and fundamentally, these people should be able to make such decisions about their own bodies themselves.

another example of people wanting to police other people's bodies! go and tend to your own backyard.

You off this site (the silence of the christian taylor) would be a releif to everybody.
The emails and articles you send to people directly are an absolute fucking disgrace and you aren't building up any decent resume with your body of work on this site.
You on here because of youre name boi or have you got anything to do with same gender relationships?

Always the same isnt it. You say its an open forum where people can express people views and opinions and then when someone like me says the truth, blunt, factual, expressing my opnion - and it goes against what you're trying to 'spin doctor' on the fucking site - you try and jump on someone kicking and flailing dont ya.

[BrianBeahr]

Well Brian.. I'll be performing at Midsumma next year why don't you pop along to one of my shows and tell my audience just how sub human I am I'm sure you'll go down a treat. Make sure you bring an equality flag to wave :)

I never said anything like that to you.

[sneakos]

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/mummynichola/troll.jpg

[genkij]

I for one enjoy Christan Taylor being part of this site and would no think that someone who has just popped up carries any currency on putting him down in a public forum where is well known !! :mad:

I proudly support Christian !

[sneakos]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff200/JustMe511/troll.jpg

[dreadcircus]

HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRIAN..

I'm a transsexual... You claimed that my gender dysphoria does not exist!!!!
Therefore you classed me as some kind of liar and you also attempted to petition to take away mine and many others rights to have a sex change becuase you don't understand the condition nor do you know what it is like. Face it you have made a fool of yourself and your comebacks are only making you look more foolish...

Why are you targeting Christian now???

[sneakos]

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/grejior/troll.jpg

[sneakos]

and btw jade: you are one of the sweetest inspiring people i know

big hugs

pete

xoxox

[dreadcircus]

LOL @ all your troll picss sneakos and thanks for the kind words lovely :)

In the trans web community TROLL normally means SEX PEST looking for a hookup. Funny how on other forums a troll is an annoying prick.

mwahhh pete xx

[morgan]

You off this site (the silence of the christian taylor) would be a releif to everybody.

I'm torn between defending Christian (but he's more than capable himself) and saying that the comment is just ridiculous. Instead, I'll point out that's a rather naive generalization and patently untrue.

Always the same isnt it. You say its an open forum where people can express people views and opinions and then when someone like me says the truth, blunt, factual, expressing my opnion

Truth? Factual? Ok, so refute my earlier response to your message.

[genkij]

The only really great thing about coming across an idiot l;ike THIS makes me realise JUST how BEAUTIFUL the people I associate myself with really are ..... I can't believe in this day and age that there is anyone who doesn't see the value in being OPEN MINDED .... It's kind like the whole Global warmoing this - Some people just don't think that it is reazlly happeneing !! (inc. My brother !!) BUT can it really hurt by taking care ofr the enviroment anyway ?? ... Just like if there are people in this world who are so uncomfortable in their skin to the point that they need to change their bodies .... Let them ...... Liva la Choice !!!

[mjm078]

jeesh......i think brian still has some pent up anger from when his mum kicked him off the teat and raised a piglet on the milk....

no need to make it personal brian its all love here at samesame......nothing but sweet love....

But seriously Brian - don't you think your views are a little archaic? did you ever think that transgender women are not trying to attract homosexual men rather men who are interested in dating transgender women or dating women in general.

My limited understanding of the whole transgender thing is not about wanting "act or perform" like the opposite sex as in the case of drag performers etc its more about who you are on the inside - your wiring, and therefore who you want to be on the outside as well......

[weathervain]

I love how he didn't rebutt my youtube post.

[Light-Bearer]

He just seems like such an angry and strange dude. Usually i am a fan of strange - but not when it has so many pubes stuck to it's face.

[kwickeemart]

You off this site will be a relief to everfybody.

The emails you send out directly to peoples email addresses are an absolute fucking disgrace.

what in the world are you on about............nothing that has comeout of your mouth has any merit

[weathervain]

I think the vehement anger directed toward Christian is pretty telling, perhaps Hazy is right and he just is some attention whore trying to get his four and a half minutes of shit across

[dreadcircus]

I think the vehement anger directed toward Christian is pretty telling, perhaps Hazy is right and he just is some attention whore trying to get his four and a half minutes of shit across

Maybe he is right now... I can just see him with his banjo in the front porch putting a ditti together.. yeeeee har

[Snuff]

i can't help but think this is all a big joke to get everyone fired up.

i hope it is.

but just in case... brian if you sincerely think that a man is a man and a woman is a woman... there is a beautiful movie i would like you to watch.
it's called XXY....
about a hermaphrodite.
brian in case you don't know a hermaphrodite is a person with both male and female genitalia.
it may help you think a little more open mindedly, and hopefully stop any further outbursts of hatred.

[DeepBlueDreamer]

I promise this is my last post to this thread- the troll will be ignored after this.

Firstly, Jade is an inspiration to many, and closest samesame has to late great Eleanor Lister; and the start of this thread is just vile in so many ways with respect to rights won by the Transgender community, and breakthroughs our community has achieved largely thanks to Dragqueens!

Secondly, people who have subscribed to Christian Taylor's email have done so out of choice, and remain readers because we enjoy reading it.

It really is not hard to unsubscribe if its content trouble you so!!

And finally, "Don't leave Moe' is not a treat...it's more of a wish!!!

[BrianBeahr]

I think I found Brian on Youtube Jade..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PXGb8FlCao

Hi, how are you?

Thats not me....

[BrianBeahr]

I promise this is my last post to this thread- the troll will be ignored after this.

Firstly, Jade is an inspiration to many, and closest samesame has to late great Eleanor Lister; and the start of this thread is just vile in so many ways with respect to rights won by the Transgender community, and breakthroughs our community has achieved largely thanks to Dragqueens!

Secondly, people who have subscribed to Christian Taylor's email have done so out of choice, and remain readers because we enjoy reading it.

It really is not hard to unsubscribe if its content trouble you so!!

And finally, "Don't leave Moe' is not a treat...it's more of a wish!!!

Hey, I didnt target anyone you mentioned on here and I dont discriminate against anyone who describes themselves by that term. I genuinely find Taylor's articles offensive and suspect he may think it's one of those sites that is designed to look like a forum for people involved in same gender relationships that he and others think that only people who aren't involved in one are allowed to post things to (their rotating physician virtual fantasy world where people who aren't involved in same gender relationships or who have a marriage partner and do it on the side pretend they dictate gay culture).

[Chancethegardener]

I found Brian's mum on youtube too!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E6moYKv9cpc

[BrianBeahr]

i can't help but think this is all a big joke to get everyone fired up.

i hope it is.

but just in case... brian if you sincerely think that a man is a man and a woman is a woman... there is a beautiful movie i would like you to watch.
it's called XXY....
about a hermaphrodite.
brian in case you don't know a hermaphrodite is a person with both male and female genitalia.
it may help you think a little more open mindedly, and hopefully stop any further outbursts of hatred.

I've actually met someone who had male genitalia on the outside and internal organs of a male - who was also born with extra internal organs of a female (that didnt work). If thats what you are referring to then hermaphrodite isnt the right term. That person I met was (and probably still is - it's been years) a male who was born with extra internal organs that appear in females that were superfluous. In those cases - those people can get the extra superfluous internal organs (the female ones) removed if they want and that's about it. A person like that cannot perform the sexual and reproductive actions of the other gender (the gender of the extra organs) and the person I am referring to was (is) male.

I find people who continually try to find ways to attempt to create doubt and confusion in others about something as straight forward and clean cut as gender some of the most deconstructive and destructive people on the planet who try and get their hooks into people and spend all their time wormtounging their way towards attempting to achieve unnacceptable goals (that it wasnt acceptable for them to set in the first place).

The day you stop trying to talk people into thinking there's doubt or confusion about their gender is the day you'll be a decent human being.

And bisexual people (who are attracted to both male and female people who are also bisexual) are not an easy target for you and the doubt or confusion you try to introduce. People like you really do have to stop targetting people who are just plain bisexual (and others) and stop trying to talk people into that rubbish.

[BrianBeahr]

Maybe he is right now... I can just see him with his banjo in the front porch putting a ditti together.. yeeeee har


Do you spend a lot of time talking to people as if they're you?
You're one of those people who sits around chatting to other people as if you're talking to yourself and trying to blame the person you are talking to for what you're saying and what you do wrong (when you cant).

Take a look at my post called Well, Well, Well.

[sneakos]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm48/sistermoon48/258Troll_spray.jpg

[sneakos]

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc60/kula502/Troll_Alert_1a.gif

[BrianBeahr]

He just seems like such an angry and strange dude. Usually i am a fan of strange - but not when it has so many pubes stuck to it's face.

You're one of those people who harasses any gay male with a beard....
Whats the matter, dont you like people who are male and reinforce being an adult with facial hair?

Or are you going to start accusing anyone who is a gay man with a beard of pretending to be a dead idiot from history (who arent) and pretend its traumatic for you because you're just really deep down trying to find ways to make gay men pretend to be more like females and you think being clean shaven make someone more like a female. Or perhaps it's a statue thing, you try and make males shave because most of the statues in certain religions are clean shaven.

Let me guess - you dont like redheads either....

Whenever you meet a red head male with a beard (particularly a gay one obviously) you just pretend that you've forgotten everything else and despite the facts accuse that person of being a dead so called religious figure idiot impersonator to the point of complete self humiliation on your own part.

Whats next, a placard and a one person protest attempting to get the beard outlawed and laws on shaving just because you cant get gay men to pretend to be trying to attract bisexuals and heterosexuals?

Let me guess - you dont like the world wide support network for gay men called bear groups because the men involved are behaving like MEN.

[sneakos]

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq283/beb004/troll.gif

[BrianBeahr]

For what good reason and for what legit individual or public benefit?

(Contempt & intolerance are not good reasons and do not legitimately benefit the public nor the individual.)

To quote from the picture you took at Midsumma Pride March 2008 in Melbourne (http://photos.samesame.com.au/people/BrianBeahr/Pride2008.jpg.html), "THIS IS A DISCRIMINATION FREE EVENT". Have a think about what that means, hey?http://photos.samesame.com.au/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=172321

The day people like you stop trying to talk people into thinking that they are confused about something as simple and clear cut as gender is the day you'll be a decent human being.

[BrianBeahr]

wow.. your a nut job

What's with you'r message footer?
You one of those people are you?

[BrianBeahr]

Gippslander...you've been to Melbourne pride...you celebrate our community...and then write drivel on the internet?!

What's going on!?!?!

Hey dickhead.

Not living in a capital city of a state or territory of Australia doesn't mean naiive.

Some people who spend all their time in the same one or two bars in capital cities (that are the next best thing to a closet) are fuckin naiive.

[BrianBeahr]

Bryan perhaps we should all put in and send you to IRAN...
gays there are now sentenced to :p :p gender reasignment,wow wouldnt that make your day LOL

You are exactly the kind of fuckwhit that I am talking about in that post.

[BrianBeahr]

For what good reason and for what legit individual or public benefit?

(Contempt & intolerance are not good reasons and do not legitimately benefit the public nor the individual.)

To quote from the picture you took at Midsumma Pride March 2008 in Melbourne (http://photos.samesame.com.au/people/BrianBeahr/Pride2008.jpg.html), "THIS IS A DISCRIMINATION FREE EVENT". Have a think about what that means, hey?http://photos.samesame.com.au/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=172321

Trying to talk a male into thinking that that male would prefer to be female or should have been female is sexism, discrimination and sexual biggotry.
The gay community is not about trying to support people who are trying to make homosexuality look unnatural.

Homosexual is natural and normal. People who are homosexual like myself don't have something wrong with us because we are not attracted to people of the other gender.

[justcol]

Brian you cannot even spell "Fuckwit" and when you say I am just the type you are talking about in your puerile post ,you obviously demonstrate your "Moe intelligence:" with apologies to the normal people who live in Moe.

[dreadcircus]

Brian maybe you should contact your doctor and turn yourself in? How long have you been in the loose?

[sneakos]

me thinks he's run straight from th set of a jerry springer episode :)

[David DC]

someone has definitely stopped taking their pills.

[taylor-dayne]

too funny, he's on this site:
http://www.bearcityweb.com/gay-chubby-chaser-profile-BrianBeahr.html

still listed as single i see brian? hardly surprising.

he describes himself as a "decent honest human being." ah, we don't agree.

"G'day everybody.
:-)
I am homosexual.
I am drug free (meaning illegal drugs).
I do not smoke marijuana for example - i have seen what long term daily abuse of that has done to other people that I know (family members and ex-friends) and therefore i do not smoke it myself.

If you are one of those people who pretends that me having a beard causes you stress, anxiety and torment dont come anywhere near me.

If you are bisexual dont start anything sexual with me :- ).

Brian
:-)"

i think it's good that christian's articles offend brian. if they did anything else then that would be concerning. must be sad when you all you have to do to fill your days is spew venom towards others, instead of making a contribution yourself.

oh well. while brian is happy to criticise others about being "authorities on gay culture" it seems all brian can contribute is poorly articulated negativity towards transgender people.

yawn...

[ecclipse83]

Well Brian.. I'll be performing at Midsumma next year why don't you pop along to one of my shows and tell my audience just how sub human I am I'm sure you'll go down a treat. Make sure you bring an equality flag to wave :)

My will be there somewhere ... we have to hang this year hun:)

[ecclipse83]

I cannot believe this thread, well actually the original poster - If your what a man is 'Supposed' to be - give me a fucken sex change any day.

Oh where, oh where are those forum guidelines ?
Oh where, oh where are his pills?
Oh where, oh where is someones sense?

I think if Transsexual Operations should be banned so should being a big fat doughnut eating 'clinically idiotic' morons from Moe should be shot as a hunting sport!

Get a life dickhead ... and don't visit midsumma or pride march .... considering both organizations support all facets of the Gay Bi-sexual Lesbian Transsexual Intra-sexed communities ... and this years theme for Pride March is Our Rights, Your Rights, Human Rights ... i don't think... and by the way your photo tags are wrong its not a "gay community" its the GLBTi Community or Queer Community... maybe you should visit both organisations websites www.midsumma.org.au or www.pridemarch.org.au you might learn something about the events.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:u2yZ-EelyQutOM:http://bp0.blogger.com/_dCeo9vqa2Fw/Rtrk-0MVjfI/AAAAAAAAACw/MANBLEbPYbc/s320/TransgenderSymbol.gif

This thread has me so fucken angry ... i hope your satisfied

[hazyinseptember]

no point in getting angry over this peoples..

this is nothing but serious baiting from someone very confused..

[AboutMe]

no point in getting angry over this peoples..

this is nothing but serious baiting from someone very confused..



Agree.

When there is soooooooooooooo much anger like this usually its the person who has the problem themselves ie our dear boy may have a feeling he is really a female.

Can say seek help but doubt will ever happen.

Enjoy your confused life.

[hazyinseptember]

its all kinda starting to make sense tho..

[dreadcircus]

Brian I find it hard to understand why you would invalidate a transsexual person by demanding we have this proven medical success taken away from them. I have no real background on you to understand your venom.

By any chance have you recently seen a doctor who has told you that you may be transsexual or a friend and this is why you believe doctors force people like myself to have surgery.

The one thing you need to seriously understand here is that I needed to change sex or I would of KILLED MYSELF... Just as you NEEDED to express yourself how you do to survive happily.

Taking away my right to have surgery is stupid. On the other hand if there are people in the medical field persuading people to have a sex change then that is totally wrong. I believe the later to be most uncommon tho.

Just remember when you banter the words around sex change and transsexuals you need to take into mind the fact that not only men are transsexual. Many, many women transition into men so now you want to deny them also of their needed surgery???

Lets try this.. You tell me something that helps you get by in life from day to day within yourself physically or mentally and I'll put out a petition to have it taken from you.. I'm sure that sounds fair by your logic???.

[David DC]

clearly Mr Moe is delusional. mental illness is no laughing matter... despite our bemusement.

[Kane-St-Kane]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm48/sistermoon48/258Troll_spray.jpg
Brian just needs to go back under his bridge and stop harrassing the Billy Goats Gruff.

[Bren]

The day people like you stop trying to talk people into thinking that they are confused about something as simple and clear cut as gender is the day you'll be a decent human being.

Thanks Brian, for your kind, wise and insightful words. They mean so much to me, and doubtless to everyone else here, that I promise to take them to heart in the generous and warm spirit they were obviously maturely intended. I see now the abject errors of my -- indeed, everyone's -- ways, which you have so comprehensively and astutely revealed with your unassailable logic. Thanks for your sincerity and have a great tomorrow :)

[TheOldie]

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Bisexual does not mean both homosexual and heterosexual or both male and female.
There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.
There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.


A male is a male and a female is a female and there is no doubt or inbetween.
Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.

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Hey Brian,

if as above a male is a male and female is a female and no doubt inbetween...........

why then are you Gay ? Why do you have these sexual urges towards another male ?

Do you find it acceptable that you have these feelings ?

Please reply.

[AboutMe]

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Bisexual does not mean both homosexual and heterosexual or both male and female.
There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.
There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.


A male is a male and a female is a female and there is no doubt or inbetween.
Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.

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Hey Brian,

if as above a male is a male and female is a female and no doubt inbetween...........

why then are you Gay ? Why do you have these sexual urges towards another male ?

Do you find it acceptable that you have these feelings ?

Please reply.



Yooo Hoooo Brian ............are you there ?????????????????????????????

gay is in-between so why wont you answer the other persons post ? why is it OK for
you to be in-between but not trans people ?

Coooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Brian.

[TheOldie]

Hmmmmmmmm Brian has gone quiet ?

Blows off steam and runs ?

[datkindagal]

thats appalling, so you think transsexuals (like myself) are really gay men in denial lmao. Being transsexual has nothing to do with sexual orientation and everything to do with gender. My best friends (also TS) identifies as Lesbian, I identify as hetro. You really need to get a clue before sharing your ill informed opinions. What a total asswipe. If any subculture should be banned its self righteous fcukwits like you. It irks me that people who have faced adversity still find time to discriminate towards other equally discriminated communities. You my friend have been schooled now go to the naughty corner. :eek:

btw hi everyone I'm Cindi, lol didnt think my 1st post would be a flame. Go figure!

Gay men, such as myself, do not find females sexually attractive, and gay men only try to attract other gay men. And because gay men don’t find females sexually attractive and are only trying to attract other gay men who don’t find females sexually attractive, gay men will not pretend to be female to try and attract somebody.

A male is male from the instant of conception and a female is female from the instant of conception. The chromosome in the male sperm determines the gender of the embryo/child. Y = Male, X= Female. There is no doubt.

Bisexual does not mean both homosexual and heterosexual or both male and female.
There’s no such thing as a person who is both genders at once.
There’s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.

I believe that cosmetic sex change surgery should be banned in this country.
There is no need for that surgery under any circumstances.
Why bother even vaguely toying with the idea of allowing it to be performed?

Ban it via legislation in state and federal parliaments ASAFP.

A male is a male and a female is a female and there is no doubt or inbetween.
Anyone who attempts to talk themselves into thinking they can force someone into cosmetic sex change surgery is going to get what they deserve and I tell you – it isn’t good.

:mad:

[datkindagal]

Is that a threat?

actually I would love to say yes to tha, I'm a tgirl and would be delighted to rip you a new one. I call it 2 minute SRS. god what a turd.:D

[Jae81m]

I think this is what this person wanted (everyone to get angry). I would just inorge the thread.

[datkindagal]

I'm more amused than offended I know i really need to work on not feeding the trolls. My father used to rouse on me for feeding the pigeons as they shat all over his car. I guess this guy is like a big fat obnoxious pigeon with diarrhea.

Also reading his comments it kind of sounds like maybe at one point in his life maybe he entertained the thought of transitioning but was told by a psych that he wasnt transsexual and got his nose outta joint. Who knows what makes him tick?

[Asherbella]

I wholly support Dreadcircus' response. I have nothing to add.

[sammiejo]

Dreadcircus - you are so right, Brian you obviously have no clue AT ALL on this subject. I have a family member who is transgender, it is not something you choose, it is who the person is. To cast such stupid comments on a site like samesame is completely stupid - no offense but not a wise move, you are asking for such repute as you've gotten. I agrree fully with Jae81m - i would be ignoring this thread and not posting comments.

[datkindagal]

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/amanda_nude2.jpg

[dreadcircus]

It's ok everybody brian has vanished. Don't frett tho I'm sure he'll be back under a diff nickname to sprout more bullshit... Best let this thread die...

[datkindagal]

I can't I'm pro life.

[hazyinseptember]

actually.. maybe i was the only one who noticed.. but only yesterday he posted a message in the melbourne forums asking how to delete his account..

i'd say he is gone for good...

[naughtylion]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!

I wasn't a member here when this whole "BrianBeahr" period was happening... I just checked out this thread and a few others of him following Hazy's request to go here to find out how to alienate the entire site with one post.

What a fuckwit!!! Makes me laugh though - sounds like his parents are siblings.

[datkindagal]

did u know, the only reason I found same same was through following the links in google from a BrianBear post.

[naughtylion]

really?? well at least some good come out of that c@#t.

:)

[datkindagal]

ho would of thunk that someone like BB would bring us together.

[naughtylion]

well everyone has at least one purpose i believe... and that must be his... so yea guess he's free to fuck off and die now hehehe

[rudeboy86]

Is that a threat?

Ye that is a threat and remind me if we ever cross paths to beat the living shit out of you.

You backward, inbreeding, tunnel-visioned piece of shit!

People like you deserve to have their heads kicked in.

Don't show your face at The Laird, Sircuit, Peel or DTs or any other place I go because you will cop a headbutt from me.

[naughtylion]

hey can't the few people that run same same kick people like this out?

[naughtylion]

just wondering :)

[rudeboy86]

hey can't the few people that run same same kick people like this out?

People like Brian...I hope they bloody well can.

I am sick of the prick already.

[hazyinseptember]

Brian is long gone people !!!

I think the forces that be in Samesame feel that everyone deserves a voice... Which is fair enough.

[dreadcircus]

This thread long died with Brians troll bullsh*t.. no point commenting when the guy is long gone. Hazy only reposted this thread to make a point :)

[naughtylion]

This thread long died with Brians troll bullsh*t.. no point commenting when the guy is long gone. Hazy only reposted this thread to make a point :)

Sorry Dread didn't mean to upset anyone just thought it was insanely hilarious ppl like this actually existed.

[wysiwyg_syd]

lol i just read this thread i cant believe someone want to ban sex change surgery. well we might as well ban dental implants?

[sneakos]

his sydney swans thread is even better - lmao :D and mama c's reply was pure gold

[bellsforher]

well that farce was better than a Monty Python episode. Wow. Where do these people come from? So lovely to see it all "Poof, Gone!" as they say.... :D

[JayTee]

There�s no such thing as a person born one gender that was supposed to be the other.


years of medical science says you are wrong on this one.

so the rest of your argument falls over.

what you should be doing is banning heterosexual divorce. people shouldn't just be able to separate when they have children to look after and impose the costs for raising that child on the rest of society.

if divorce was banned, there would be no need for divorce courts and that could pay for legitimate medical expenses like the ones you are advocating the banning of.

[weathervain]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!

I wasn't a member here when this whole "BrianBeahr" period was happening... I just checked out this thread and a few others of him following Hazy's request to go here to find out how to alienate the entire site with one post.

What a fuckwit!!! Makes me laugh though - sounds like his parents are siblings.

I found his profile on the Woof, I pmsl, I put up a link to it in the thread started by the recent "drive by spammers"