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Originally Posted by ernesto_1

i dont believe gays in sydney should be allowed to get married. they are all sluts. ! marriage should be reserved for small towns with proven results where 1 marriage is till death do us apart.

so only gay people in hobart should get married.

Heck! That opens a whole other can of worms

I'm all for brotherly love but...

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Originally Posted by ernesto_1

i dont believe gays in sydney should be allowed to get married. they are all sluts. ! marriage should be reserved for small towns with proven results where 1 marriage is till death do us apart.

so only gay people in hobart should get married.

just cos theres not many of us doesnt mean we're not sluts

@ Jayne:

1. there is no legit reason to not allow gay people to marry. it is very similar to interracial marriage in America which wasn't legalised until 1967, only 45 years ago. both share/d similar repression, slander, and backing from religious groups.

2. most politicians are heterosexual, so generally this issue won't be personally relevant. its a voting game and at the moment proposing to legalise gay marriage would cause many voters to boycott. would you gain enough voters to cancel out that loss? obviously its the right thing to do but at this time its not about what is right, or even what is legal. its about what will get you votes. its a gamble and I don't see any australian politicians at the moment who have the balls and backing to roll the dice.

@ pmaxv

1. racism is unrelated to attraction. I cannot help not being attracted to certain races in the same way I cannot help not being attracted to women. there is no spark. doesn't mean I don't fully respect them as a person.
2. I travelled to Korea last year with a mate. both of us are decent looking. but neither of us were hit on by Koreans (male or female), and we didn't expect them to. culturally they have developed ideals and as Caucasians neither my friend nor I fit those ideals. its not racism its just culture. are you attracted to every race equally? africans? arabs? scottish? aboriginal?
3. there is someone out there who will like you for you. but generally and culturally, the Australian ideal is Caucasian. not being racist, i'm stating an observable fact. you wont change that by ranting (which actually counterproductively draws a greater divide between you and non-Asian Australians), but you might change people's personal ideals by being an interesting and respectable person.

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Originally Posted by gray

1. racism is unrelated to attraction. I cannot help not being attracted to certain races in the same way I cannot help not being attracted to women. there is no spark. doesn't mean I don't fully respect them as a person.
2. I travelled to Korea last year with a mate. both of us are decent looking. but neither of us were hit on by Koreans (male or female), and we didn't expect them to. culturally they have developed ideals and as Caucasians neither my friend nor I fit those ideals. its not racism its just culture. are you attracted to every race equally? africans? arabs? scottish? aboriginal?
3. there is someone out there who will like you for you. but generally and culturally, the Australian ideal is Caucasian. not being racist, i'm stating an observable fact. you wont change that by ranting (which actually counterproductively draws a greater divide between you and non-Asian Australians), but you might change people's personal ideals by being an interesting and respectable person.

Maybe you should take a peek in this thread: http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=26315

@ Barrin

1. its an interesting article, but doesn't make much of a case for a number of reasons. the argument is based on one conversation with one man. the man clearly had no time to prepare an answer and was attempting to explain attraction. despite having years to come up with an answer, I can't explain why I'm not attracted to women. no one can explain why their brain reacts as it does. also, the argument that racial attraction is ingrained into us as children is not an argument for racism but an argument for exposure.

2. to sum up, I cannot be expected to be attracted to asian men (or any race) or judged for not being attracted to asian men, any more than I can be expected to be attracted to women. I can make the fairly broad assumption that 'im not attracted to asian men' based on the fact I have never been aroused by an asian man, in the same way I can fairly safely assume 'i'm not attracted to women'. demonising someone for who they find attractive is something gay people, of everyone out there, should understand and not take part in.

3. fact is, right now the world is not equally divided in its sexualisation of races. australia is predominantly caucasian so caucasians are at the top of the 'attraction ladder'. it is a different ladder in asian countries, and asian are at the top. the world isn't entirely fair, but blaming people on who they are attracted is not a viable answer.

It isn't the main article so much as the ensuing 'debate' I thought you should look at.
But maybe you did and felt safer posting in here.

#UQgaymarriage 9:00am Brisbane (Australia) time on Sunday 24th March

We are holding a debate and we want your participation.

A cohort of MBA students from University of Queensland are conducting a closed debate on the subject of “Same Sex Marriage – battle for equality, political leverage or institutional trademark?”. Whilst the debate will not be publicly broadcast, we will be running a live Twitter feed both prior to and during the debate. We are seeking a range of views via this Twitter feed.

The debate will commence from 9:00am Brisbane (Australia) time on Sunday 24th March. Contributions can be made on Twitter via #UQgaymarriage. Leading questions will include:

1. What doe marriage mean?
2. With legal rights having been broadened for same sex couples, why is same sex “marriage” an issue now and how it has been successfully made an issue?
3. Whilst there is attention and momentum in the societal debate, why can’t same sex advocates break the legislative dead-lock?
The feed will be broadcast live to the cohort. We welcome all comments, opinions and insights. We welcome debate amongst Twitterers, all we ask for participants to be respectful of all others opinion. As the debate won’t be broadcast live, we will be encouraging your Twitter feeds to generate more debate.

Gay marriage is a piece of crap. It's purely just a stupid obsession two same sex people have towards each other. It's stupid really. There is also research done to show that young children need both parents to give them a healthy upbringing. Not legalising gay marriage is totally equal and fair. All humans are biased. NO ONE is equal in every aspect. Legalising gay marriage is not fair and just or equal. It is an act of immaturity and totally destroying all moral values. Our society is no longer morally right. Look at the Boston bombing for example. People are putting more emphasis on this event when hundreds of people die in Iraq, Iran and the Middle East. Everyone is viewing it unequally. How can any of us say that we want equal rights for all when we ourselves are biased just towards gay marriage. There is no equality in that! Gay marriage is a preposterous idea and shouldn't be taken seriously. We as humans were born with hormones, that formed an attraction between opposite genders. Are you then defying your human and physical body just to go with a stupid obsession? We were never born to be gay, so why be gay? We can never truly love someone of the same sex, because our bodies and brain were never meant to function that way. I think the Australian government is right in refusing gay marriage. Discrimination against gays is not wrong but racism is wrong. Why? Because some people were born with a skin colour they can't change but gays are just ignorant people who aren't born gay and their immorality should be stamped out. Homosexuality comes from your brain and it can be changed, therefore it is something than can be excluded from society. Homosexuality is just a stupid obsession. Don't argue whether supporting gay marriage is fair or not, cause there should be no such thing as equal rights for gays. It is sad that we have become an immoral society, supporting immoral values. Gay marriage is not right and everyone knows it, it's just that they're not willing to admit the fact.

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Originally Posted by Jayne

I have been thinking lately... Why is it that the Australian Government feels it is reasonable to exclude same-sex couples from the institution of marriage? For me,
the excuses used by the Australian government have little credibility. Religion is an option for some people who wish to marry, but it is not compulsory for marriage as it once was. Marriage in Australia is a secular institution, people of no faith or different faiths have the right to marry, religion has no place in the debate. Yet, Julia Gillard and the Labor government continue to impose her/their personal values onto the Australian public, and think comments such as: "it's important for people to understand their bible stories" apply to this argument.

The other major argument is that children benefit most from a male and a female role model, but there is no credible evidence to suggest that children brought up by same-sex couples are in any way disadvantaged. And the excuse the purpose of marriage is to procreate holds no leverage either, since the Australian government doesn't regulate heterosexual marriages where there are no children, or single parent families. In fact, Rodney Croome, in the book "Gay Marriage Yes" (2010)suggests that same-sex marriage is beneficial for children and religion. It's all well and good for Julia Gillard to make comments like: "for our culture, for our heritage, the Marriage Act and marriage being between a man and a woman has a special status" but the reality is this "special status" she is talking about is not just the right to be married but has a trickle on effect to many other societal institutions and human rights that are denied to same-sex couples simply because they do not have the choice to marry if they want to.

In my opinion, the issues stopping same-sex marriage from being legalised is simple: homophobia and fear. Those in power don’t want anything to change because they are afraid of something they don’t understand. The excuse that politicians repeatedly use: “marriage is a bedrock institution that hasn’t changed for thousands of years” is rubbish. Marriage has changed many times to suit the changing times. For instance; divorce is legal even though the bible completely opposes it, women are no longer considered the subordinate property of their husbands as they once were, and inter-racial couples are permitted to marry even though it was once thought that was “unnatural” and “wrong.”

There are many strong arguments for why same-sex marriage should be legalised in Australia. Not least, Australia is a democratic nation and legislation should reflect what is fair and equal, and what the people want.

No, the government doesn't fear anything... You're fearing the government because of what the government can do to change you. Sometimes, democracy isn't always right. People are so gullible nowadays, favouring majority over what is right. This is saying that since the majority of people say something is right, then it must be right. Is that fair and just at all? Religion also has every right to be in this debate. It has created the so-called just and fair principles in society you call today. So it is by all means right and correct. Aren't you then supporting secular ideas over religion? How is that fair and just? Huh?