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Originally Posted by trina2004

Azul, since you don't know any of us, maybe you could stop assuming we're all white. Hubba has told you several times that he's black yet you ignore him b

Hubba has stated he is mixed race.

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Originally Posted by trina2004

So I've just got back from a club to see you lot are still going at it. Here's my experience: of all the girls I have ever hit on, (admittedly that's a relatively small number) the only ones who responded positively all happened to be Asian.

What does it mean? It means the club I go to has a lot of Asian women in it!

Seriously, I could assume that they all have white chick fetishes, if I wanted to be paranoid and judgmental, but ultimately I think analysis g attraction is a waste of time.

God I love autocorrect. I've had so much to drink tonight and Incan still be so serious. This thread is a downer.

Trina this comment has a touch of denialism to it and it seems as if you are trying to trivilise the issue of sexual racism and sweep it under the rug. Also your remarks can be interpreted as you're a person who may like to indulge in exotification. I'd really encourage you to read up on exotification and how it impacts on people, especially women from South East Asian backgrounds.

I don't know if it's the liquor talking or the real Trina from Bathurst coming out. Yet I am disappointed, I expected a far more mature response from you, in line with the excellent comments made by Moose6969 and Neal James.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Trina this comment has a touch of denialism to it and it seems as if you are trying to trivilise the issue of sexual racism and sweep it under the rug. Also your remarks can be interpreted as you're a person who may like to indulge in exotification. I'd really encourage you to read up on exotification and how it impacts on people, especially women from South East Asian backgrounds.

I don't know if it's the liquor talking or the real Trina from Bathurst coming out. Yet I am disappointed, I expected a far more mature response from you, in line with the excellent comments made by Moose6969 and Neal James.

I don't see how anything I wrote can be termed as exotification.

Some times I tire of the pseudo intellectual garbage azul spews, that's all. He has his own issues with race and projects them on others, IMO.

@Trina

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Trina this comment has a touch of denialism to it and it seems as if you are trying to trivilise the issue of sexual racism and sweep it under the rug. Also your remarks can be interpreted as you're a person who may like to indulge in exotification. I'd really encourage you to read up on exotification and how it impacts on people, especially women from South East Asian backgrounds.

I don't know if it's the liquor talking or the real Trina from Bathurst coming out. Yet I am disappointed, I expected a far more mature response from you, in line with the excellent comments made by Moose6969 and Neal James.

Read back over my posts. I took azul seriously to begin with and then when I realised he was essentially a preacher for his own worldview and not someone interested in debate or discussion my patience began to dry up.

I don't see what I said that was 'exotification'.

Was it simply mentioning their race? The story wouldn't make much sense or have any relevance if I'd just said 'some girls.'

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Originally Posted by trina2004

Read back over my posts. I took azul seriously to begin with and then when I realised he was essentially a preacher for his own worldview and not someone interested in debate or discussion my patience began to dry up.

I smell...BULLSHIT

You're the one who's not interested in a discussion.

READ BACK OVER MY POSTS - see how many times I've answered your questions and comments and rather than engaging, you simply dismiss it or disappear altogether.

If you're not interested in this issue since it's basically "garbage and unicorns" - why are you here? Why must you be insistent that sexual racism doesn't exist?

This thread is specifically on SEXUAL RACISM - don't believe in it? Then GTFO, nobody is forcing a gun to your head and making you read this "garage and unicorns" issue and reply.

Why keep coming back?

Oh wait. I know...

*Looks at VicHealth's framework and on individuals' contribution towards race-based discrimination again*



- Belief in racial hierarchy and racial separatism;

- Belief that some groups do not fit into Australian society;

- Fear, anxiety, discomfort, avoidance or intolerance of diversity;

- Denial that discrimination occurs and/or that it is serious;

- Negative stereotypes and prejudices;

- Failure to recognize own negative attitudes/behaviors and/or a belief that they are ‘normal’;

- Poor conflict resolution skills;

- Limited positive inter-group relationships and interaction.

http://www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/~/me...framework.ashx


Hmmm....

I'm guessing the underlined ones are the ones you think I have?

Although i can understand you thinking that #4 and #6 apply to me, #1 and #5 are just you assuming, again, that anyone who disagrees with you is racist.

You come in with the attitude that you are on a morally higher ground than a large group of people you don't know, and then wonder why everyone is so hostile?

Grow the fuck up.

I'd like to suggest that based on your posts, #5, 6, 7 and 8 all apply to you, BTW.

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Originally Posted by trina2004

I'm guessing the underlined ones are the ones you think I have?

Although i can understand you thinking that #4 and #6 apply to me, #1 and #5 are just you assuming, again, that anyone who disagrees with you is racist.

You come in with the attitude that you are on a morally higher ground than a large group of people you don't know, and then wonder why everyone is so hostile?

Grow the fuck up.

Hahaha - this is actually a cut and paste from my previous post, post #350 (page 12). If you've been reading my posts as you claimed you have, you would have realized that.

Speaking of posts - this was your first post to me:

Post #173 (page 6)

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Originally Posted by trina2004

Is there anyone sexier than someone who tries to force their viewpoint of the world on others?

Is this what you mean by seriously engaging me in a discussion or debate by giving a sarcastic remark at me?
Especially since my previous post (post #172) talked about systemic racism, which you ignored.

I then responded to you with my post #174 and I had included a research study on certain Australian employers only giving interviews to Anglo applicants. You responded with post #175 but again ignored about systemic racism that I spoke of earlier and instead made assumptions about me based on my exchange with Mama Catastrophe.

Post #175 (page 6)

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Originally Posted by trina2004

Some people have been doing that. Some people have read your long rambling posts and replied thoughtfully but since they didn't say what you want them to say you dismissed. Pot, meet kettle.

I would engage in a proper debate with you, I think we agree on some points and I don't consider myself to be a 'sexual racist' but I now think you are a hypocrite.

Fat people suffer from discrimination. But you don't give a shit because you don't find fat people attractive.

^^^ That's the only conclusion I can come to from your comments to Mama Catas.

I then responded with this post:

Post #176 (page 6)

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

I didn't say that fat people didn't suffer discrimination - only that the discrimination and impact is different compared to racism. Like I asked Mama Catastrophe, which she ignored btw, would an overweight Sudanese refugee woman have the same challenges and opportunities as a an overweight white Aussie woman?

And my discussion with Mama C is my discussion/argument with her - you don't have to jump in with your false assumptions just to discredit the points and info I've made about sexual racism, racism and systemic racism.

I have yet to see anyone truly address that - no one has been truly able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that sexual racial preference is NOT racism.

No one has been able to address the different racial reality experienced by white people and minorities.

No one has been able to address (or even the decency to acknowledge) the systemic racism that affects minorities.

And I doubt anyone will have the guts to do so.

You then disappeared for awhile and then came back with this post:

Post #181 (page 7)

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Originally Posted by trina2004

So in other words you assume that when other say the prefer Asian guys, they are doing it because they are racist...but when you say it...it's a genuine preference. I think that's a pretty big call to make.

Notice again how you IGNORED my points on:

" - I have yet to see anyone truly address that - no one has been truly able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that sexual racial preference is NOT racism.

- No one has been able to address the different racial reality experienced by white people and minorities.

- No one has been able to address (or even the decency to acknowledge) the systemic racism that affects minorities."

Instead you make an attack on me.

And yet again, I defend myself and try to make my comments clearer with the following post:

Post #182 (page 7)

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

Ooh let the word twisting begin eh?

This can occur despite the fact in my earlier post I've stated that I have no actual racial preference - would hookup with guys of as any race as long as I find them hot.

And me, explaining the definition of preference is:
preference |ˈpref(ə)rəns|
noun
1 a greater liking for one alternative over another or others

Great debating skills, people!

Fine. What do you think these guys below mean?

Wanna see more examples? Go here: http://www.douchebagsofgrindr.com/tag/racism/

You respond in post #188 and I respond with a lengthy explanation in post #189, which apparently shut you up because you disappeared, only reappearing on page 8 with post #215 - a rather pathetic and reductive post:

Post #215 (page 8)

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Originally Posted by trina2004

Azulmelb:

Racism is bad. We acknowledge that there are dickheads everywhere, including on Grindr, and people who put 'No Asians/fatties/oldies' on their profiles should probably kill themselves now rather than waste precious oxygen.

Now can we please change the subject? All that is going on in this thread is a circular conversation.

And notice again - not once in any of your posts have you actually touched upon what sexual racism truly is, the complexity of racism and the pervasiveness of systemic racism. Instead you just wish this topic will just end.

So when exactly did you engage in an actual discussion or debate with me?

So, who's the actual one that needs to grow the FUCK UP?

Someone who keeps trying to get the issue of SEXUAL RACISM discussed and addressed?

OR

Someone who wants to ignore it altogether on a thread that's about SEXUAL RACISM?

" - I have yet to see anyone truly address that - no one has been truly able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that sexual racial preference is NOT racism.
^^ can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that it IS? You can't prove a negative. So your point is moot to begin with. Furthermore, as long as someone's racial preference is expressed not in racial terms, that is "sorry I don't find you attractive" not "sorry I'm not into Asians" I fail to see how it can be racism.

- No one has been able to address the different racial reality experienced by white people and minorities.
^^ um...Hubba has stated he is part of a minority and you ignored him. I'm sure minorities experience interaction with other groups differently, but again, that is hardly limited to racial groups. All we can be responsible for is our own actions. As long as I don't discriminate against people for ANY reason, not just race, I'll sleep easy. I'm not going to exist in eternal guilt because of others actions. I acknowledge that I have white privilege, but by the same token, wouldn't a male Asian have male privilege over trina? Wouldn't a black Christian have religious privilege over a white Muslim in countries like America/Australia/Canada? You can deconstruct privilege to the ends of the earth and everyone has different privileges and disadvantages based on factors they can't control. But merely possessing white privilege doesn't make you a racist. Abusing it might. Being rude and cruel, yes, but the mere existence of race and privileges does equal racism.

- No one has been able to address (or even the decency to acknowledge) the systemic racism that affects minorities."
^^or maybe they don't feel the need to state the obvious? Yes, white people have privilege, particularly in Western countries. We ALL know this. Are we responsible for the douchebags of grindr or whatever? As long as they aren't us, a huge resounding, NO.

You've called us keyboard warriors and accused us of hiding our racism behind computer screens, but the reality is you hide behind mountains of copied and pasted links, and personal attacks at others.

It's not enough for people to agree with you that sexual racism is bad, they have to have the exact same opinion on what it is as you, how it has an effect, and what we need to do about it. If their opinions aren't exactly like yours on all those counts they're denialists or racists. News flash: no one will ever agree with you totally. Even people who agree with 99.9% of what you say will disagree with something. But agreeing with you is not enough. Accepting your opinion as undeniable truth and gospel seems the only thing that could possibly satisfy.

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Originally Posted by HubbaHubba

I'm a bi racial gay man. I live that reality everyday. Stop making the assumption that it's only white people who don't agree with you.

The issue you are talking about is not full on, it's the way you are going about it that is full on. You have no skills of social persuasion. You are like a priest preaching from the pulpit who doesn't understand why everyone has abandoned the church. You are completely out of touch with people.

Hubba it's actually a full on issue, yet one which keeps being denied and ignored by people since it's too confronting and it's easier just to sweep everything under the rug, continue to be racist and make every excuse and justification for discrimination possible.

In quite a lot of your comments you do come across as an apologist for white priviliege and superiority and I don't think I've ever read a balanced comment from you about sexual racism or racism in general.

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Originally Posted by ensign-charlie

" - I have yet to see anyone truly address that - no one has been truly able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that sexual racial preference is NOT racism.
^^ can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that it IS? You can't prove a negative. So your point is moot to begin with. Furthermore, as long as someone's racial preference is expressed not in racial terms, that is "sorry I don't find you attractive" not "sorry I'm not into Asians" I fail to see how it can be racism.

- No one has been able to address the different racial reality experienced by white people and minorities.
^^ um...Hubba has stated he is part of a minority and you ignored him. I'm sure minorities experience interaction with other groups differently, but again, that is hardly limited to racial groups. All we can be responsible for is our own actions. As long as I don't discriminate against people for ANY reason, not just race, I'll sleep easy. I'm not going to exist in eternal guilt because of others actions. I acknowledge that I have white privilege, but by the same token, wouldn't a male Asian have male privilege over trina? Wouldn't a black Christian have religious privilege over a white Muslim in countries like America/Australia-Canada? You can deconstruct privilege to the ends of the earth and everyone has different privileges and disadvantages based on factors they can't control. But merely possessing white privilege doesn't make you a racist. Abusing it might. Being rude and cruel, yes, but the mere existence of race and privileges does equal racism.

- No one has been able to address (or even the decency to acknowledge) the systemic racism that affects minorities."
^^or maybe they don't feel the need to state the obvious? Yes, white people have privilege, particularly in Western countries. We ALL know this. Are we responsible for the douchebags of grindr or whatever? As long as they aren't us, a huge resounding, NO.

You've called us keyboard warriors and accused us of hiding our racism behind computer screens, but the reality is you hide behind mountains of copied and pasted links, and personal attacks at others.

It's not enough for people to agree with you that sexual racism is bad, they have to have the exact same opinion on what it is as you, how it has an effect, and what we need to do about it. If their opinions aren't exactly like yours on all those counts they're denialists or racists. News flash: no one will ever agree with you totally. Even people who agree with 99.9% of what you say will disagree with something. But agreeing with you is not enough. Accepting your opinion as undeniable truth and gospel seems the only thing that could possibly satisfy.

This. Would like this post multiple times if I could.

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Originally Posted by ensign-charlie

" - I have yet to see anyone truly address that - no one has been truly able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that sexual racial preference is NOT racism.
^^ can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that it IS? You can't prove a negative. So your point is moot to begin with. Furthermore, as long as someone's racial preference is expressed not in racial terms, that is "sorry I don't find you attractive" not "sorry I'm not into Asians" I fail to see how it can be racism.

- No one has been able to address the different racial reality experienced by white people and minorities.
^^ um...Hubba has stated he is part of a minority and you ignored him. I'm sure minorities experience interaction with other groups differently, but again, that is hardly limited to racial groups. All we can be responsible for is our own actions. As long as I don't discriminate against people for ANY reason, not just race, I'll sleep easy. I'm not going to exist in eternal guilt because of others actions. I acknowledge that I have white privilege, but by the same token, wouldn't a male Asian have male privilege over trina? Wouldn't a black Christian have religious privilege over a white Muslim in countries like America/Australia-Canada? You can deconstruct privilege to the ends of the earth and everyone has different privileges and disadvantages based on factors they can't control. But merely possessing white privilege doesn't make you a racist. Abusing it might. Being rude and cruel, yes, but the mere existence of race and privileges does equal racism.

- No one has been able to address (or even the decency to acknowledge) the systemic racism that affects minorities."
^^or maybe they don't feel the need to state the obvious? Yes, white people have privilege, particularly in Western countries. We ALL know this. Are we responsible for the douchebags of grindr or whatever? As long as they aren't us, a huge resounding, NO.

You've called us keyboard warriors and accused us of hiding our racism behind computer screens, but the reality is you hide behind mountains of copied and pasted links, and personal attacks at others.

It's not enough for people to agree with you that sexual racism is bad, they have to have the exact same opinion on what it is as you, how it has an effect, and what we need to do about it. If their opinions aren't exactly like yours on all those counts they're denialists or racists. News flash: no one will ever agree with you totally. Even people who agree with 99.9% of what you say will disagree with something. But agreeing with you is not enough. Accepting your opinion as undeniable truth and gospel seems the only thing that could possibly satisfy.

You have a valid point Ensign-Charlie, the arguments haven't been presented well in most cases and even though I admire Azulmelbs passion and agree with a lot of his sentiments, I must admit the way in which he as stated his case has made it easier for people to dismiss the argument of sexual racism and has also allowed people to justify white privilege.

Azulmelb, I have to agree with Trina and Ensign-Charlie in that you have started arguments with folk who are the least racist on this site. If you look through all the threads you can see a pattern with people and you can see who the racists are and to be honest those with racial or ethnic preferences come across as pathetic and ignorant folk by their own words and actions so there is no use in arguing with them. They make themselves look the fools.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Hubba it's actually a full on issue, yet one which keeps being denied and ignored by people since it's too confronting and it's easier just to sweep everything under the rug, continue to be racist and make every excuse and justification for discrimination possible.

In quite a lot of your comments you do come across as an apologist for white priviliege and superiority and I don't think I've ever read a balanced comment from you about sexual racism.

@Ash - why do you think people who don't care about this issue continually choose to come here and dismiss this issue altogether?

I really don't get it - they refuse to acknowledge the testimonies of gay minorities, research studies and the expert opinions of scholars, researchers, sociologists, psychologists, anti-racism experts, etc and expect me to accept their biased opinions.

Worst, they don't bother to read all of my posts (starting from page 1) and then someone else (usually some arrogant smug know-it-all) jumps on me asking/accusing me of something I've already explained a few pages ago.

The reason why I keep asking people to read up on the matter is that they keep coming into the 'discussion' without knowing all the information related to this issue.

For example, HubbaHubba is a biracial man and for some reason, white people think that he can't be an Anglocentric, that he must be pro-minority when we know that isn't necessarily true.

An Anglocentric person can be as biased towards Caucasians as ethnocentric white people are towards their own race. And as you say in your post, HubbaHubba could be an apologists for white privilege and white superiority.

If the people on this thread had read up about white privilege and actually studied about racism, they would have realized that and realized why I haven't really bothered to respond to HubbaHubba when he pointed out his race.

Man, this is getting old. Cheer me up buddy - wysi isn't around to distract me with harmless banter about sexual escapades and sexual proclivities...

imho, azul brings up some very valid points on how sexual racism is just a natural extension of racism in the general society but how can one truly explore the topic of sexual racial preference without discussing the rules of attraction?

to say certain ethnicities are more attractive than others because it is what's seen in the media is imho a simplistic analysis of this issue. if one could articulate societies definition of the perfect physical specimen, would these attributes be biased to a particular race and if so would this imply racism?

eg. could sexual racial preference on sites like grindr/manhunt be just another method to filter out ppl based on desired physical attributes cos statistically ppl of race x have attribute y with isn't attractive to person a?

Whatever Hubba's position is - whether he is an anglocentrist, whether he is an apologist, whether he has not experienced sexual racism himself, whether he has and has come out of it with a different perspective to you is immaterial.

What is important is that you have taken it upon yourself to speak for all minorities everywhere and have ignored or condemned anything that does not match your views entirely. We don't have the right to show he totally refutes your case and we haven't - we've just pointed out your own presumptions of all of us being white and thinking sexual racism doesn't exist. You have taken it upon yourself to presume his experiences and position, and have framed them as bad, because again, they're not exactly in line with your arguments.

I think sexual racism is a problem. Do I think your method of addressing it is in anyway productive and good for the tackling of it? No. I think it's the opposite.

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

@Ash - why do you think people who don't care about this issue continually choose to come here and dismiss this issue altogether?

I really don't get it - they refuse to acknowledge the testimonies of gay minorities, research studies and the expert opinions of scholars, researchers, sociologists, psychologists, anti-racism experts, etc and expect me to accept their biased opinions.

Worst, they don't bother to read all of my posts (starting from page 1) and then someone else (usually some arrogant smug know-it-all) jumps on me asking/accusing me of something I've already explained a few pages ago.

The reason why I keep asking people to read up on the matter is that they keep coming into the 'discussion' without knowing all the information related to this issue.

For example, HubbaHubba is a biracial man and for some reason, white people think that he can't be an Anglocentric, that he must be pro-minority when we know that isn't necessarily true.

An Anglocentric person can be as biased towards Caucasians as ethnocentric white people are towards their own race. And as you say in your post, HubbaHubba could be an apologists for white privilege and white superiority.

If the people on this thread had read up about white privilege, they would have realized that and realized why I haven't really bothered to respond to HubbaHubba.

Man, this is getting old. Cheer me up buddy - wysi isn't around to distract me with harmless banter about sexual escapades and sexual proclivities...

I hear ya! Honestly I really do. I've read a lot of academic literature and opinion articles on sexual racism, exotification etc... on my own initiative and I've also seen first hand of how sexual racism impacts people.

Azulmelb, you can bang a dildo, yet you can't change it from being a dong. The thing to change peoples attitude is to be the change you want to see in the world and that's the main thing.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

I hear ya! Honestly I really do. I've read a lot of academic literature and opinion articles on sexual racism, exotification etc... on my own initiative and I've also seen first hand of how sexual racism impacts people.

Azulmelb, you can bang a dildo, yet you can't change it from being a dong. The thing to change peoples attitude is to be the change you want to see in the world and that's the main thing.

And perhaps not be quite so aggressively dismissive to people inclined to agree with you.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Azulmelb, I have to agree with Trina and Ensign-Charlie in that you have started arguments with folk who are the least racist on this site...

They might be the least racist but that doesn't mean they are the most knowledgeable persons on racism or on the experiences of gay minorities.

I have been studying racism for the couple of years and I have been reading about it for the most parts of my adult life. I experienced it personally being a non-white person and I've witnessed it in many countries.

I've even seen and observed it in countries such as Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Afghanistan during my work as a relief officer - racism among different castes, tribes and ethnicities as well as from other aid workers amongst other international aid workers and the locals.

I've also spoken to a number of gay minorities on Grindr and Scruff about their experience in the past two years.

So, I come here with a good amount of knowledge and experience on this issue and yet time and again I get spoken to like an idiot by people who presumably know less and has experienced less and for what - because they don't want to deal with it.

If they were genuine about this issue, they would ask more about it rather than giving out their opinions most of the time, no?

See how many of them has actually said, "You know what, I'm really curious about this issue, so I went and asked my *insert minority race* gay friend about his/her experience in the queer community."

How many? None.

You know why? Because you're on the Internet.

Who the hell are you to presume anyone else's knowledge on a subject??

Who the hell are you to presume you are the most knowledgable on a subject??

And who the hell are you to presume that "years of research" make your OPINIONS fact??

We don't know you. We don't have to hold you as a higher power or knowledge on racism. The fact that you seem to expect us to just makes you seem like an arrogant fool.

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Originally Posted by cubbyxface

imho, azul brings up some very valid points on how sexual racism is just a natural extension of racism in the general society but how can one truly explore the topic of sexual racial preference without discussing the rules of attraction?

to say certain ethnicities are more attractive than others because it is what's seen in the media is imho a simplistic analysis of this issue. if one could articulate societies definition of the perfect physical specimen, would these attributes be biased to a particular race and if so would this imply racism?

eg. could sexual racial preference on sites like grindr/manhunt be just another method to filter out ppl based on desired physical attributes cos statistically ppl of race x have attribute y with isn't attractive to person a?

That's a very vaild point. I would like to ask for the purpose of this discussion, why you have found many images of caucasian, particularly, blonde men posted on this site attractive?

For you is it due to, I assume, being born and raised in Australia and they are the predominant racial and ethnic group or type of guys you socialised or deemed physically perfect when growing up?

Personally I admit I do have a bias in attraction towards men who are mixed race or have a tanned/olive complexion and for me it's due to the majority of guys I grew up around were like this, I just have a natural affinity with them. Yet I don't preclude anyone who doesn't fit that description and if the guy turns me on, he turns me on.

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Originally Posted by ensign-charlie

And perhaps not be quite so aggressively dismissive to people inclined to agree with you.

I agree there.

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Originally Posted by ensign-charlie

You know why? Because you're on the Internet.

Who the hell are you to presume anyone else's knowledge on a subject??

Who the hell are you to presume you are the most knowledgable on a subject??

And who the hell are you to presume that "years of research" make your OPINIONS fact??

We don't know you. We don't have to hold you as a higher power or knowledge on racism. The fact that you seem to expect us to just makes you seem like an arrogant fool.

Oooh. Someone's angry

Did I say I expected people to hold me to a higher power on racism but the fact that no one wants to engage in an actual thoughtful discussion about it makes it seem you guys are a bunch of arrogant twats.

Run along now, kiddo.

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

Oooh. Someone's angry

Did I say I expected people to hold me to a higher power on racism but the fact that no one wants to engage in an actual thoughtful discussion about it makes it seem you guys are a bunch of arrogant twats.

Run along now, kiddo.

We tried. You called us racist denialists because we only partially agreed with you.

dont get me wrong, i didnt like them just cos they were blonde. they just happened to be blonde

im azn but i grew u pin a very anglo neighbourhood so mayb that had something to do with it.

Imho racism is a concept used to describe how ppl hate; not at how ppl like

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Originally Posted by ensign-charlie

We tried. You called us racist denialists because we only partially agreed with you.

Huh?

Show me when exactly you "partially agreed" with me and when I called you a racist denialist?

Give me post no. and page no. if possible. Thanks.

Excuse me for a moment, while I stare deeply into Santiago Cabrera's eyes...

#306 and #326 for principally. I acknowledged you had a point, disagreed with the parameters you set because they make everyone everywhere ever racist.

I also used the royal "we" because it's a recurring theme in this thread that people start off sympathising with your points then come to realise that no level of agreement beneath 100% accepting everything you say as gospel is good enough for you.

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

Hahaha - this is actually a cut and paste from my previous post, post #350 (page 12). If you've been reading my posts as you claimed you have, you would have realized that.

I confess, although I have been reading your posts everytime you copy and paste an earlier post I just skim it. You are not contribuiting anything new by copying and pasting the same posts- this is the internet, that's not how it works.

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

I then responded to you with my post #174 and I had included a research study on certain Australian employers only giving interviews to Anglo applicants. You responded with post #175 but again ignored about systemic racism that I spoke of earlier and instead made assumptions about me based on my exchange with Mama Catastrophe.

Pot, meet kettle.

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

[b][i]" - I have yet to see anyone truly address that - no one has been truly able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that sexual racial preference is NOT racism

As charlie pointed out, its impossible to prove a negative. I can't prove that there aren't invisible fairies living in my ears right now- but that doesn't mean there are!

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

- No one has been able to address the different racial reality experienced by white people and minorities.

- No one has been able to address (or even the decency to acknowledge) the systemic racism that affects minorities."

I would never presume to pretend to know the different reality experienced by those in racial minority groups. Most of my immediare ancestors are Caucasion, I would never pretend to speak for someone from a different culture and I don't intend to get into some childish bidding war where the person with the most multicultural friends wins!

I'm aware racism exists. I'm aware it's a serious problem. What I'm not aware of is how you lecturing a group of people is going to achieve anything other than make YOU feel good.

and yes, I did occasionally take breaks from this thread, so thanks for all those snide 'then you ran away' comments. I'm sorry if this is shocking to you but some of us have jobs to go to and families to look after and lives to live and can't spend hours on here waiting for the next gospel of azul to be handed down from on high.

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And notice again - not once in any of your posts have you actually touched upon what sexual racism truly is, the complexity of racism and the pervasiveness of systemic racism. Instead you just wish this topic will just end.

*sigh*

Actually I think myself and many posters have talked about sexual racism. We've debated what it is. I think most people agree that putting 'no asians' or 'no lebs' on a profile is racist.

You are just upset because we haven't taken your definition as gospel. We've been discussing what things are and aren't racism. If you weren't looking for anyone to debate any of your points, then you might want try a less interactive form of preaching

So, feel free to copy entire earlier posts in answering me, but don't expect me to read the same thing for the 3rd or 4th time. I'll skim it, at best.

I'm fine with a discussion about racism. This is not a discussion. This is you attempting to browbeat others into submission.

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See how many of them has actually said, "You know what, I'm really curious about issue, so I went and asked my *insert minority race* gay friend about his/her experience in the queer community."

How many? None.

Honestly? You really wanna play that game?

I don't make friends with people so that I can put them in my 'list of minority friends' so that I can show everyone how progressive I am.

I'm not going to list the races and sexual preferences of my friends for you to judge whether its sufficiently broad enough to magically change me from racist to not racist.

I couldn't think of anything more insulting and ridiculous than for one of my friends to come across a post in which I attempted to use them as an authority on their entire culture!

It'd be like if someone came up to me and asked me to describe the 'female experience' or the 'dyke experience' of discrimination.


You're still making assumptions by the way. You've assumed 1, that your position is the only correct position, and 2, the only reasons someone would disagree with you are because they are either racist or just plain ignorant.


Just accept it. You went about it the wrong way, and until you climb down off your cross you're not going to get much discussion because you've got everyone's back up.

Okay, Santiago baby - hold on while I respond to this...


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Only if they objectify that race. Like...saying "I only like white guys" is racist. But just...happening to date white guys your whole life without ever considering a racial aspect...no.

There is strong evidence that we 'imprint' on our parents faces as babies. That's why there's that adage that you 'marry your mother/father'. Obviously this isn't a hard and fast rule, but it is just a fact of infant brain development that we are more likely to appreciate those features, and connect them with something we love. There are cultural influences, obviously, but I hardly think you can blast anyone who has dated only people of a particular race as racist.

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...so you don't have anything you want people to DO about the issue except listen to you complain and have them agree with you?

How totally useless.

This is you partially agreeing with me?

And where's the part I called you a racist denialists?

*back to Santiago Cabrera*

Hmm, Santiago, that was faster than I thought...

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Okay, Santiago baby - hold on while I respond to this...


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Post #326 (page 11)


This is you partially agreeing with me?

And where's the part I called you a racist denialists?

#323 sorry, by #326 I'd worked out you were all talk.

I've also stated numerous times, as has trina, that sexual racism exists and that it is bad. On this very page in fact. Have a look, see if you can find it.

You dismissed everyone in this thread as ignorant, and only coming here to dismiss the existence of racism. You've called trina a denialist, and you've (apparently) been sending people abusive PMs.