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Originally Posted by Fahed

because they're new, not because they're educated.

true - this applies to everyone.

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Originally Posted by sneakos

i just have really high expectations of myself that i then project onto co-workers, and (at times) their arrogance stuns me (as im sure mine does them lolz)

I do that all the time!

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Originally Posted by sneakos

and welcome bac fahed - hope th research is going well

'tis *sniff* but I was really sick last week (glandular fever + cold) so I've managed to fall behind a little and am catching up.

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Originally Posted by Fahed

I agree with Wysi. I doubt that you guys were any better when you first started working. The fact that these people have a good theoretical construct of the world to play with is an advantage for them - not a burden on you. Everyone has to start somewhere, and they will likely make the same mistakes they would have made had they never gotten an education - I.e. because they're new, not because they're educated.

Maybe the reason there aren't any scathing intellectuals anymore is that whenever anyone wants to construct and explore some idea, there are about 50 other people waiting to make the perfectly illogical argument that anyone who wants to voice any ideas about one thing must also know everything about everything else, and if they don't, then they should just shut up and keep it to themselves.

This makes no sense - the theory that fresh graduates can regurgitate from lectures informs their early decision making. Frequently these theories are constructed by people who do have considerable experience with real-life situations and that experience is what inspired their attempts to explain what they have seen and worked with. But reading the theory and experiencing its origin in real life are two wildly different things. With experience these beginners will learn, either explicitly or implicitly, that the model doesn't fit all situations or all people. The consequences of their actions will catch up with them and, with time, they'll learn to be better at their jobs (just as you did when you started out). This seems obvious and clear enough.

What isn't clear (and what probably doesn't help the situation) is why so many of you are getting upset. It's almost as if you expect that someone with an education should be better than you at your job, and you're now pointing out examples where that fails to be the case to prove that they're not. This seems stupid, of course you're going to know better than them since you have more practice at your job than they do. This fact does not mean that the skills and knowledge they bring with them are useless, just that they need practice to make any real practical use out of them.

And Sneaky, I'm surprised at you. You have a degree in the area you work in. You're also fortunate enough to have relevant life experience that helps inform your work, probably more than your education ever has. Surely you can't expect everyone in your area of work to have that. I would have thought that you would use what you have to help them fill in the gaps in their knowledge.

Maybe I'm just being naive about the real world.

Fahed - the voice of reason once again. Sigh. Fahed you so dreamy...

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

Fahed - the voice of reason once again. Sigh. Fahed you so dreamy...

i'm sure you're only after his balls

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Originally Posted by wysi

i'm sure you're only after his balls

I don't even know how they look like, wysi! Grr..

Hot balls or not, Fahed's sensibility and maturity is so so sexy!

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Originally Posted by Doolander

Hang around any university.... Most kids that go to uni for more than a year think this.... They have all this text book 'knowledge' but can't for the life of them live in the real world and deal with grown-up problems...

They are usually apparent by the over-use of large words and small points....

A lot of them also are LGBT during uni, but tend to become very conservative with their investment bank or public service jobs later, to the point of denying their silly student activism to their kids when they send them to some rich private school.

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Originally Posted by qazwsx

A lot of them also are LGBT during uni, but tend to become very conservative with their investment bank or public service jobs later, to the point of denying their silly student activism to their kids when they send them to some rich private school.

From what I've seen of many 'student activists' at uni, they mostly do it because it's trendy. Any discussions I've tried to have with them on the subject of their activism rapidly leads me to the conclusion that they have no idea what they're talking about, and don't actually care as much as they pretend to.

Surely if you're against the war on terror (just as an example), and you're standing outside the library at your university day in and day out getting people to sign petitions, screaming at the top of your lungs at any passer-by, stopping people who are walking past to pester them about signing the petition etc., then you'd at least be interested and invested enough to keep up with all the intricate details of what's being reported from all the various media sources (or even just one really). Apparently I'm an idiot though, and I don't know what I'm talking about.

In that light, it's really no surprise that these people go on to live perfectly comfortable carefree lives.

Sorry about all the cynicism ^. Can you tell I've had a run-in with the socialist group at USYD?