I have know about the Hillsong/ Gloria Jeans connection for years and have never bought coffee there as my own private protest. I am happy now a bigger protest is brewing *boom tish*

And the significant difference between ALC's and ALP's support for gay marriage is?

I find it funny that this has been well known for years and is only just coming up now on SS

Get them off Oxford St.
It's one thing for the ALP to not support marriage equality,it's completely another thing to actively and aggressively challenge the legitimacy of our fight for full equality.
Better late than never.

Is it still okay to fuck their staff?

There's a facebook group up urging a boycott on the basis of this article, anyone interested join up and bug your straight friends about it too. Boycott Gloria Jeans for funding homophobia.

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Originally Posted by paulypops

Get them off Oxford St.
It's one thing for the ALP to not support marriage equality…

How is the ALP relevant to coffee sellers?
I don't go to the one on Oxford St because I've seen too many staff there pick their nose in their downtime.

How does gay marriage really affect children, when your not allowed to adopt anyway! Not to mention that you could always have kids if you REALLY wanted them....

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Originally Posted by trina2004

I find it funny that this has been well known for years and is only just coming up now on SS

It's because GJ's has links with the ACL and the ACL is very active in campaigning against marriage equality and it seems the only two things people want to read on SameSame are marriage equality and Lady GaGa.

I'm glad that I always go to the Starbucks near my work. Hate GJ's coffee or drinks anyway.

Oh, for Christs sake. You want to boycott some coffee shops because some church mob received a donation from the franchise owner. Because the church hold a different belief system to your own. This is just ridiculous. Hypocrisy just makes gay people look totally stupid. *rolls eye's

Do you see my point? no...
Fact 1: Most religious groups are against same-sex marriage. They have an opinion based on their traditions established over thousands of years. They feel marriage is between a man and a women. It is their right to hold that opinion whether others like it or not.

Fact 2: Gay/Lesbian couples are the minority of a minority who want same-sex marriage (not all gay people want to get married). Some Gay people have an opinion at odds and differs from that of the church. Some gay people want to change the fundamental belief system established over thousands of years to make themselves feel the same as traditional married couples (which they can never be). Even though they generally don't go to church, nor believe in god and can't fuck to produce a child naturally. (When two men have a root and conceive, let me know.)

So, religious people want to boycott gay people and gay people want to boycott religious people.

Break out the popcorn fella's. It looks like were going to war with the Church! You can count me out. Leave the bloody Church out of it and go for Civil Unions. You still get to call yourselves "Married", you just don't do it in a Church and most importantly, create this silly shit fight over a word. If it's okay for you to be homosexual, it is also okay for them to be religious.

Fact 3: Gloria Jean coffee stores are franchises. They are owned by private people trading under a business name. The private owner pay for the right to use the product and name. The franchise gets paid regardless of how much coffee is sold at each outlet. Boycotting individual establishments only hurts the private owner and not the "brand".

Hurting the small business owner seems vindictive when you consider the reality, a global food chain made a donation outside their control.

How can adult gay men and lesbian women really expect to be taken seriously when idiotic idea's like this are suggested? It seems to me to be childish and very "student union" in concept. Legally, you also need to be careful because it would technically be possible for the franchise to organise a class action to sue any organisations promoting such action, if it felt they were victims of unfair trade practises/slander/etc.

And here I was thinking (and always being told) Gay's are smart. Not any more it seems. I find this stuff so frustrating.

He's right, though; plenty of countries - Saudi Arabia, Uganda, Pakistan, Malawi, et al - like Australia, don't support marriage equality.

"Break out the popcorn fella's. It looks like were going to war with the Church! You can count me out. Leave the bloody Church out of it and go for Civil Unions. You still get to call yourselves "Married", you just don't do it in a Church and most importantly, create this silly shit fight over a word. If it's okay for you to be homosexual, it is also okay for them to be religious."

I really am losing patience with people who fail to understand the marriage laws.

60 percent of Australians, including Atheists and non- Christians have their marriages outside churches. It's called a 'civil marriage'- a 'civil union' that has existed for centuries. What we are asking for is full legal equality before the law, not the right to get married in the church. Just as the church does not have a right to impose it's religious views through the law in the area of divorce, interfaith marriage or re-marriage, it does not have the right to impose it's view of a religious ceremony on gays. However, it is perfectly entitled to conduct such a ceremony.

It's okay to be religious, but acting to restrict the rights of a minority is not a legitimate expression or religious freedom. You may reduce the significance of 'separate but equal' laws to a question of semantics, but the reality is that no other minority has a separate form of marriage to cater to their needs. There is no Aboriginal or Chinese marriage.

To repeat, we want equality before the law and not the church, like all Australians.

No more drinks from there for me. Went there this arvo actually.

i seriously dont underrstand churchs and crap as wht would they want it members of there church where gay and that more than likely they would kick them out or try to change them but u cant change who you love, the is the generation for change it will happen reguardless
(hopefully people understand where i am coming from)

Made an account just to comment on this re: marriage not being necessary.

The notion of marriage isn't because all gay people want to get married (I don't at the moment, I might later, I don't know) but the fact is it's about equality. People don't seem to remember as a kid growing up how much of a freak you feel like, and my push for gay marriage is to make it known to all the kids that are on the edge of offing themselves that it's okay to be queer, and the first step is by giving queer people equal rights. Whether you want to get married or have kids or not, the fact that your own government hasn't got your back is just the worst. If we're finally eventually seen as equal, then maybe we'll be treated as equals as well.

Just take a step back and look at the bigger picture about what the implications of inequality really have.

555Sean, I'd advise getting your facts straight before writing such long posts; calling incorrect things 'facts'; and getting 'frustrated'. Knowledge is your friend!

"Fact 1" - Well, at least you didn't make any factual mistakes here. Yes, most churches are against gay marriage. Yes, they have a right to this opinion, just like Osama Bin Laden has a right to his, whether we like it or not. Racists don't want black people to have equal rights, that's fine too. If you're fine with people trampling over you, then just lie down and stick a doormat on your head. That's fine too! Whatever you want, it's OK

"Fact #2" : The Australian Christian lobby, who receive 25% of their operating costs from Gloria Jeans, are not just anti-gay marriage. They want to remove every right that you have, every freedom that you enjoy, every step that has brought you closer to equality with straight people around you over the last thirty years. They're obsessed with anything that might give you equal opportunities in life. If you don't care about that, well that's fine too! But at least spend a moment googling so that you know who you're talking about.

Fact #3 : If the franchises go broke, then the company goes broke, and the ACL don't get their $30,000. This is simple mathematics. Do you want us to feel sorry for business owners who are passing on the cash to fund ant-gay fringe groups.

Work on that frustration.

Its a donation, not a frickin specific that Gloria Jeans said we want to stop gay marriage. Colonnades Gloria Jeans support all foundations and actually maybe you should look at where they have donated instead of sticking it to just a religious group.
Look we all want gay marriage. We have 7 billion people on the planet its not like where going to die out atm.
The reason behind same-sex marriage is not for the politic stuff. Its because we love someone that is of the same sex and we want to marry them. Its about love not sticking it to the man.

Marriage isn't about love, it's about economics and power. That's why the religions have a strong interest in it.

Marriage is an excellent way to control and oppress people.

If you truly love someone, it's unconditional and your love knows no bounds and needs no recognition from others or the state to feel validated and real.

So back onto topic, will there be protests outside these stores? Will the bogan socialists invade the Oxford Street store and harass the patrons and act like immature attention seeking students, all in the name of marriage equality?

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Originally Posted by 555Sean

Oh, for Christs sake. You want to boycott some coffee shops because some church mob received a donation from the franchise owner. Because the church hold a different belief system to your own. This is just ridiculous. Hypocrisy just makes gay people look totally stupid. *rolls eye's

Do you see my point? no...
Fact 1: Most religious groups are against same-sex marriage. They have an opinion based on their traditions established over thousands of years. They feel marriage is between a man and a women. It is their right to hold that opinion whether others like it or not.

Fact 2: Gay/Lesbian couples are the minority of a minority who want same-sex marriage (not all gay people want to get married). Some Gay people have an opinion at odds and differs from that of the church. Some gay people want to change the fundamental belief system established over thousands of years to make themselves feel the same as traditional married couples (which they can never be). Even though they generally don't go to church, nor believe in god and can't fuck to produce a child naturally. (When two men have a root and conceive, let me know.)

So, religious people want to boycott gay people and gay people want to boycott religious people.

Break out the popcorn fella's. It looks like were going to war with the Church! You can count me out. Leave the bloody Church out of it and go for Civil Unions. You still get to call yourselves "Married", you just don't do it in a Church and most importantly, create this silly shit fight over a word. If it's okay for you to be homosexual, it is also okay for them to be religious.

Fact 3: Gloria Jean coffee stores are franchises. They are owned by private people trading under a business name. The private owner pay for the right to use the product and name. The franchise gets paid regardless of how much coffee is sold at each outlet. Boycotting individual establishments only hurts the private owner and not the "brand".

Hurting the small business owner seems vindictive when you consider the reality, a global food chain made a donation outside their control.

How can adult gay men and lesbian women really expect to be taken seriously when idiotic idea's like this are suggested? It seems to me to be childish and very "student union" in concept. Legally, you also need to be careful because it would technically be possible for the franchise to organise a class action to sue any organisations promoting such action, if it felt they were victims of unfair trade practises/slander/etc.

And here I was thinking (and always being told) Gay's are smart. Not any more it seems. I find this stuff so frustrating.

FACT 4 - Not every organisation that supports homophobia has the audacity to make the money they are donating from the gay community such as gloria jeans oxford st are. Its basically about making the gay community aware so they do not support this business.

http://thatsmyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/why-i-boycott-gloria-jeans-coffee-and-you-should-too/#comment-2196

http://thatsmyphilosophy.wordpress.c.../#comment-2196

I'm irrelevant to this thread because I'm old and unlovable but I did like some of this ~

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/the-nor...-church-yougov

Everyone will lose if the same sex marriage debate continues to be insensitive and shrill
Participants have plenty of warning examples of how the choice of words in politics can sink or save a cause.

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Originally Posted by 555Sean

Oh, for Christs sake. You want to boycott some coffee shops because some church mob received a donation from the franchise owner. Because the church hold a different belief system to your own. This is just ridiculous. Hypocrisy just makes gay people look totally stupid. *rolls eye's

Do you see my point? no...
Fact 1: Most religious groups are against same-sex marriage. They have an opinion based on their traditions established over thousands of years. They feel marriage is between a man and a women. It is their right to hold that opinion whether others like it or not.

Fact 2: Gay/Lesbian couples are the minority of a minority who want same-sex marriage (not all gay people want to get married). Some Gay people have an opinion at odds and differs from that of the church. Some gay people want to change the fundamental belief system established over thousands of years to make themselves feel the same as traditional married couples (which they can never be). Even though they generally don't go to church, nor believe in god and can't fuck to produce a child naturally. (When two men have a root and conceive, let me know.)

So, religious people want to boycott gay people and gay people want to boycott religious people.

Break out the popcorn fella's. It looks like were going to war with the Church! You can count me out. Leave the bloody Church out of it and go for Civil Unions. You still get to call yourselves "Married", you just don't do it in a Church and most importantly, create this silly shit fight over a word. If it's okay for you to be homosexual, it is also okay for them to be religious.

Fact 3: Gloria Jean coffee stores are franchises. They are owned by private people trading under a business name. The private owner pay for the right to use the product and name. The franchise gets paid regardless of how much coffee is sold at each outlet. Boycotting individual establishments only hurts the private owner and not the "brand".

Hurting the small business owner seems vindictive when you consider the reality, a global food chain made a donation outside their control.

How can adult gay men and lesbian women really expect to be taken seriously when idiotic idea's like this are suggested? It seems to me to be childish and very "student union" in concept. Legally, you also need to be careful because it would technically be possible for the franchise to organise a class action to sue any organisations promoting such action, if it felt they were victims of unfair trade practises/slander/etc.

And here I was thinking (and always being told) Gay's are smart. Not any more it seems. I find this stuff so frustrating.

Well said Sean555, I could not of said it any better. Take his advice on board gentlemen, the man is talking sense. Here Here!

Nothing wrong with Civil unions ladies and Gentlemen, I see this pointless battle with religious groups whose traditions clearly state marriage for their religious organisation/domination is between 'A man and a women' (for their notion of procreation)

Push for civil unions that is it.

Gloria Jeans has horrible coffee anyway and is the front for Hillsong. Well that's been the rumor for about 10 years. You are better off supporting small coffee shops than big chains anyway.

natee = 555sean

If you're not convinced about gay marriage or whatever, look at what else the ACL does in terms of homophobia. They attack the community in more than one way, read the article Chrys posted.
Just to cite quickly, they're frequently boycotting gay advocates and tried to make it legal for gay kids to be expelled from schools just because they're gay.

You can't dress up discrimination as freedom of speech. I've known many Christians to purposely seperate themselves from the ACL, this isn't a stab at religion. People can believe what they want just as long it doesn't actively supress anyone else.

The ACL is to Christianity what One Million Moms is to motherhood.

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Originally Posted by enzyme

natee = 555sean

What? It's a conspiracy. :lol:

No, I am me and only me. I stand by my post, others will make up their own minds.
Thanks to Natee though for the kind words.

I would like to point out something I have noticed with this "Marriage" issue...

Some of the people who espouse "equal LOVE" sure seem HATEFUL in making their point.

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Originally Posted by 555Sean

Oh, for Christs sake. You want to boycott some coffee shops because some church mob received a donation from the franchise owner. Because the church hold a different belief system to your own. This is just ridiculous. Hypocrisy just makes gay people look totally stupid. *rolls eye's

Do you see my point? no...
Fact 1: Most religious groups are against same-sex marriage. They have an opinion based on their traditions established over thousands of years. They feel marriage is between a man and a women. It is their right to hold that opinion whether others like it or not.

Fact 2: Gay/Lesbian couples are the minority of a minority who want same-sex marriage (not all gay people want to get married). Some Gay people have an opinion at odds and differs from that of the church. Some gay people want to change the fundamental belief system established over thousands of years to make themselves feel the same as traditional married couples (which they can never be). Even though they generally don't go to church, nor believe in god and can't fuck to produce a child naturally. (When two men have a root and conceive, let me know.)

So, religious people want to boycott gay people and gay people want to boycott religious people.

Break out the popcorn fella's. It looks like were going to war with the Church! You can count me out. Leave the bloody Church out of it and go for Civil Unions. You still get to call yourselves "Married", you just don't do it in a Church and most importantly, create this silly shit fight over a word. If it's okay for you to be homosexual, it is also okay for them to be religious.

Fact 3: Gloria Jean coffee stores are franchises. They are owned by private people trading under a business name. The private owner pay for the right to use the product and name. The franchise gets paid regardless of how much coffee is sold at each outlet. Boycotting individual establishments only hurts the private owner and not the "brand".

Hurting the small business owner seems vindictive when you consider the reality, a global food chain made a donation outside their control.

How can adult gay men and lesbian women really expect to be taken seriously when idiotic idea's like this are suggested? It seems to me to be childish and very "student union" in concept. Legally, you also need to be careful because it would technically be possible for the franchise to organise a class action to sue any organisations promoting such action, if it felt they were victims of unfair trade practises/slander/etc.

And here I was thinking (and always being told) Gay's are smart. Not any more it seems. I find this stuff so frustrating.

Your first mistake is probably thinking. You then compound that by utilizing the weakest of reasoning in your arguments.


1. If you hurt a franchisee, you hurt the franchise - diminished volume equates directly to diminished revenues which directly equates to diminished fees being paid. And if you hurt a lot of franchisees, you cripple the franchise. Boycotts work and are a very cost effective and legal way to make a statement and send a message to the corporate world.

2. If it were up to certain "churches" , homosexuality would be punishable by death - and other "churches" would bar us from employment and other basis rights - We are fighting the church for our very existence - just as we fought Hitler. We have "churches" that support our rights - and there are many gays who are religious and attend church on a regular basis and believe in God.

3. Gay people can "fuck" and produce children - it just takes one female person and one male person - one or both can be Gay. In fact, there are quite a few gay people who actually have children. Being gay has nothing to do with ability.

4. "traditions" held for thousands of years include human sacrifice of virgins to appease the gods, and burning people at the stake for being witches - etc. Just because a wrong has been done for thousands of years does not make it right or desirable.

The MAJORITY of Australians support gay marriage - and just like the heterosexual population, not all gays will partake in it, but all will have the right. It is just a matter of time. The highest percentage of those against gay marriage are older and are slowly dying out. We are doing a wonderful job of educating the younger generation about the evils of discrimination. Just a matter of time.

I suggest you pray to your "God" and ask for forgiveness, some understanding, and perhaps to lend a helping hand to ease your "frustrations".

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Originally Posted by A-Punk

... my push for gay marriage is to make it known to all the kids that are on the edge of offing themselves that it's okay to be queer...

That's what they were saying 30 and 40 years when the battle was to remove the laws against homosexuality. Marriage will achieve what decriminalisation didn't?