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spoken like a true Irishman— simplistic and pugnacious.

Irishman? Been a long time since any of my relatives were in Ireland. You usually blame my lapsed catholicism.

Besides, several weeks ago you said you were putting me on your ignore list. Really, I don't mind - ignore away.

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… several weeks ago you said you were putting me on your ignore list.…

I never said that, did I? I can't believe I'd say that unless you have a link to it.

Anyway, I don't blame people for being Catholic or Irish or ugly or autistic or whatever because that's the way they are. Just like I'm hoping no-one blames anyone for things they can't change. It's in their blood. It's just a tool for recognising people and understanding them.

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I never said that, did I? I can't believe I'd say that unless you have a link to it.

Anyway, I don't blame people for being Catholic or Irish or ugly or autistic or whatever because that's the way they are. Just like I'm hoping no-one blames anyone for things they can't change. It's in their blood. It's just a tool for recognising people and understanding them.

Using outdated and inapplicable stereotypes is a tool for recognising and understanding people? Good luck with that.

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Wonderland Mark has been around long enough to have been involved in or at least have first hand knowledge of the early gay liberation movement - he knows what's required when fighting for human rights. This is just more of him cultivating the prissy, cantankerous old queen image he's been working on for so long. Don't waste your energy trying to explain things he's already well aware of but chooses to pretent to not understand just to be a pain.

Pity he doesn't use his life experiences in a more positive way.

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Using outdated and inapplicable stereotypes is a tool for recognising and understanding people?…

I don't consider 'Catholic or Irish or ugly or autistic etc' as outdated or inapplicable. Someone can get plastic surgery but those other characteristics are forever. People can't change their blood or their heritage.

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See Mark, the thing is, women's rights for instance weren't negotiated at the bar.

Not quite right...

"On 31 March 1965 Merle Thornton and Rosalie Bogner chained themselves to the Regatta Hotel bar rail to protest for women’s rights. They wanted to liberate public bars from being men-only. The two protestors were both mothers of two and married to university lecturers. They were refused service, the publican faced a fine of £10-£20 if he served them with liquor, but were bought a beer by sympathetic male patrons. Their action became the starting point for women's liberation in Brisbane. It is now recognised as one of the defining moments of the feminist movement in Australia."
http://trove.nla.gov.au/people/765073?c=people

Merle Thornton is the mother of actor Sigrid. I was well acquainted her about 20 years ago when we were both on the Board of a theatre company. Not an easy person to warm to.

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Not quite right...

"On 31 March 1965 Merle Thornton and Rosalie Bogner chained themselves to the Regatta Hotel bar rail to protest for women’s rights. They wanted to liberate public bars from being men-only. The two protestors were both mothers of two and married to university lecturers. They were refused service, the publican faced a fine of £10-£20 if he served them with liquor, but were bought a beer by sympathetic male patrons. Their action became the starting point for women's liberation in Brisbane. It is now recognised as one of the defining moments of the feminist movement in Australia."
http://trove.nla.gov.au/people/765073?c=people

Merle Thornton is the mother of actor Sigrid. I was well acquainted her about 20 years ago when we were both on the Board of a theatre company. Not an easy person to warm to.

Haha, that's the only post I like from you! Cool!
Shouldn't have chosen the bar but seeing as most men relate very easily to bars...

Churches should spend more time lobbying the government for tougher divorce laws!

What is worse? Being homosexual or making a promise to God than you will be remain with your partner until death and then leaving them a few years later.

I will leave that for your readers to decide!

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Churches should spend more time lobbying the government for tougher divorce laws!

What is worse? Being homosexual or making a promise to God than you will be remain with your partner until death and then leaving them a few years later.

I will leave that for your readers to decide!

there is a great vid from the West Wing where the Presidents throws back all the bullshit the bible has.

When you hear and like I did went and googled there is so much shit which has changed over time and not done anymore
and gay is just another hurdle.

Pretty soon their book will have nothing relevant.

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Same Same Media Player

The West Wing- Bible Lesson - YouTube

Oh dear. Ammonite got the last word in this hideously long, gruesome and still unresolved thread.