The Salvation Army is so hypocritical, a few days ago it was reported that Darren Hayes got it all wrong and that the Salvos position statement on homosexuality was taken out of context and was "outdated".

Last night a key Salvation Army figure was on gay and lesbian radio in Melbourne and his comments were far worse than their current position statement.

Take a listen and spread the word:
www[dot]cpod[dot]org[dot]au/page.php?id=307

Cant post links yet so just replace the [dot] with a real .

there you go

http://www.cpod.org.au/page.php?id=307

It's good when the religious wing nuts mouth off. It drives more of the fence sitters over to the gay side.

Wow - and I was just about to give them another donation of ... nothing!

Yep after what BadTranny posted and other comments on here I walked straight past them on Thu at Circular Quay.

I have dropped $'s almost every week for about 15-20 years.

Just need to check out who to give the $'s to now.

holy ****

I think he was trying to say it's part of their scripture and they don't question it, but at the same time they don't go around killing people either - and according to him it doesn't effect the way the treat people.

I don't think I find that an acceptable excuse though. The Bible does say we should be put to death, but the Catholic and Anglican churches for example reject this and publicly say so.

Another thought - I think he said that all people who don't find 'Salvation' should die, so I wonder if 'die' might mean to him not attaining eternal life in heaven etc as opposed to physical death?

Obviously what he wanted to say was homosexuality was inherently wicked and evil and that it is an evil lifestyle 'choice'.

When homosexuals come in contact with him he must think they're of the devil.

I wonder why samesame is yet to write anything on this in support of our comrades at Joy FM.

The ethos of any reputable charity is primarily: 'to help those in need without reservation or hesitation'.

Admonishing a person or denying them support based on their sexual orientation or more specifically belief in marriage equality charity-wise is a breach in professional duty of care and more fundamentally than that a lack of caring. If you give care to or provide charity to law-abiding persons in need of support with any degree of discernment based on their marital status or yearning to be married when it's illegal for them to do so, that's called uncharitable and goes against the basic Christian spirit of 'judge not lest ye be judged', 'love thy neighbour. and to treat others as you yourself would like to be treated....

Ammy, I think you've nailed it. This is the book they're referring to:
http://www2.salvationarmy.org.uk/uki/www_uki.nsf/0/150AC4ED22927D5180256F9600550A27/$file/Library-SalvationStory.pdf

In that book, it doesn't say that homosexuals should die. It makes a reference to Romans which says that homsoexuals should die. The Salvos are one of the cults that believes in the literal interpretation of the bible. So the guy was between a rock and a hard place. That said, I'm 100% an atheist who has only contempt for religion of any sort.

Also, the interviewers were rude - they continually interupted him and spoke over the top of him. They weren't interested in what he had to say; they were interested only in their own agenda (and mine too). That's fine, but why even bother pretending to interview him?

Wouldn't it be fun for a gag to stick his picture on Grindr and post his description as "sorry no gays please". Then we can bitch about him in the Douche Bags of Grindr thread!

Yeah they're also pretty shit when it comes to treating Sex Workers with any dignity as well...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-05-2...er-ads/1691098

http://www.scarletalliance.org.au/me...009-05-22.1232

I never give to the bastards anyway...

^ let's hope 'the bastards' will never give to you.

Any organisation that tells LGBTQI youth that they are not worthy, deserve to die, are wrong, does not deserve funding from the LGBT community. My money is better spent on organisations that treat human being as just that.

The Book of Romans is in the New Testament.

Bring back the lions. Metaphorically, of course.

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Bring back the lions. Metaphorically, of course.

Agree up to and excluding the metaphorically bit.

I have said it before and I will say it again: the Salvo's are GOOD people. I have personally been helped by them for my drug issues and I was openly gay in the rehab I was in and when I was picked on by some of the jail boys, the Major's handed out anti homophobia leaflets. Do not tarnish them with the same brush.

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I …the Salvo's are GOOD people.….

Are you trying to confuse us Lloydy? Everyone else here is happy to go with generalisations about a group of tens of thousands of individuals— some of whom are unpaid, most of whom are doing dirty work which the federal and state governments are happy to offload onto them.

We make generalisations about them but we criticise them for making generalisations about us. Some of us like to carry on like a pork-chop in the middle of the road, some of us want an old-fashioned church wedding , some of us want to lick anuses. We are very diverse.

It's not only in Australia the Salvation Army has been courted with controversy regarding their beliefs on homosexuality, it's globally (see links below).

I feel the response given by the Salvation Army is another stock standard P.R. spin, like the Gloria Jeans response a couple of weeks ago. I really don't believe the organisation has changed their stance, nor would the majority of their 'soldiers' or 'adherents' be truly accepting of homosexuals.

http://chicago.gopride.com/news/arti...icleID/1824489

http://ilga.org/ilga/en/article/mYzIzFZ1QT

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/12/t...oliday-season/

It is almost like there is a battle between the different branches of the salvos in Australia. Why do they have two different websites for NSW/ACT/QLD and a different one for the rest of Australia?

Seems like the Salvos in NSW are more progressive while in VIC they are conservative.

I hope the progressives win.

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Originally Posted by lloydy

I have said it before and I will say it again: the Salvo's are GOOD people. I have personally been helped by them for my drug issues and I was openly gay in the rehab I was in and when I was picked on by some of the jail boys, the Major's handed out anti homophobia leaflets. Do not tarnish them with the same brush.

Yeah many of their workers are decent folks and don't deserve to be tarred with the same brush but unfortunately as the old saying goes - you lie down with dogs and you get fleas. The salvos, as an organisation, have a long history of anti gay activity and have gone too great lengths to try and force their poisonous views on others. Mama is glad they helped you in your time of need, but dont let that fool you into thinking that, as an organisation, they respect GLBTI folks. Their hatred for us is that great that in 2004 they threatened to close every one of their soup kitchens in New York if the city enforced legislation that would require them to offer health benefits to the partners of their gay staff - fuck the 10s of thousands of innocent homeless people who relied on these soup kitchens - their hatred for us was more important.

I always thought the Salvos were one of the least offensive religious organisations, tambourines not withstanding. Guess I was wrong.

^^ mark_

You should know that "the bastards" have consistently refused to aid LGBT people in the past. They have consistently campaigned in NZ, Australia, and overseas, against LGBT rights. Their apology is nothing by a claytons apology, too little too late.

Sorry, I meant a slow agonising death, not death.

I worked at a homeless shelter in a suburb of Detroit Michigan and the S.A. were very loyal to the LGBTQI youth and adults. They actually sought them out to help them get clean and give them condoms and when there were clean needle programs available - them too (they all dried up now the financing is gone)... BUT I think their motivation is not "kindness" it's curing "gayness" because even though they act kind I have heard many preaching at some of the religious based homeless shelters the one I worked at, S.A. etc and they have "alternative motivations" that they don't make known. However, if it helps people get clean and they are strong enough to realize that they are ignorant b*stards who don't know wtf they are talking about and they should love themselves for them - then it can be a win. However- for the youth still finding themselves it's NOT COOL... it can F*CK them up a whole lot more :( It's SAD! I don't donate to any organization that is anti- anything. I don't to runaway shelters, aids homes, LGBTQI shelters when one is available near me (sometimes they open and close fast) etc... the religious operations are not very reliable which sad considering the creator is supposed to be a forgiving lord. I do not believe he frowns upon any of his children for any reason.

There are plenty of organisations made up of thousands of good people...who tolerate hateful policies instituted by their leaders. It seems obvious that there must be good people working for the Salvo, given the nature of their work and sheer numbers of employees and volunteers. But each of these good people has a responsibility to know what it is their cherished agency advocates. I do not, have not, and will never work for the Salvation Army - why do I seem to know more about their published policies than their own people? No matter the spin, we can all read and we know what the policy says. I doubt anyone would defend it if it stated that members of other faiths or races should die.

If anyone would like to contact Major Andrew Craibe here are his contact details:

Major Andrew Craib, Territorial Media Relations Director
The Salvation Army Australia Southern Territory
Phone: (03) 8878 2406
Mobile: 0417 537 950
Email: Andrew.Craib@aus.salvationarmy.org

If anyone knows Major Bruce Harmer details please post.

Keep in mind, this isn't ALL the salvos, just one. Maybe a few others. Just don't group them in with each other. Us gays don't want to be grouped together like that.

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Thanks for your advice but simpletons LIKE generalisations. Like sleepy Mexicans, like rhythmic Africans, like OCD Germans, like penny-pinching Scots, etc, etc