Ok I was walking down the street yesterday, just had lunch at a cafe and a few drinks and was feeling quite happy when two guys about 15 walked past me carrying skateboards.
As I walked past one of them said in a loud voice, for me to hear, and designed to hurt me, "You're a man".
I turned and said, "faggots" and then I said "poofters". I can tell it had a good effect as they seemed to sort of shrivel up and kept walking and didn't say anything.
I have found that in such cases calling them "poofters"and the like seems to have a stronger effect than anything else one can say.
But I want to know would gay guys find it offensive it they overheard me calling them "poofters"?
What do you think?

I wouldn't worry over it for one minute, Simoney.

Last week all of us were up in arms over just one sentence spoken by a drunk at Arq.

I don't think using one form of hate to deal with another form of hate is productive.

If an indigenous teen called me a fag, is it acceptable for me to call him a b**ng?

hard call simoneybabe

while most of wouldnt use hubba's word.............the idea is to hit back with them something that stings and unfortunately still some
words that hurt which makes you feel good but then it doesnt stop the vicious cycle.

Being 15 if they shrivelled up then you hit home.

Good punch in the head works even better

but the old saying "stick and stones" applies. We have all had names hurled at us and its just easier to ignore and keep on working. No use
trying to work out their problems.

Just ignore their words and get a good description of them and if you can take a discreet photo on your phone and report them to the police.

Don't retort or respond since it may aggravate them and make the situation worse.

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Just ignore their words and get a good description of them and if you can take a discreet photo on your phone and report them to the police.

Don't retort or respond since it may aggravate them and make the situation worse.

I agree with Mr Ash. Whilst it may empower you to put others down with words, the reality in the streets is different. The next time you do this the victim of your words may take personal offence and retaliate physically. What then? Unless you're built like a brick shithouse, my advice is safety first & ignore the imbeciles.

But even if they don't retaliate, using homophobic slurs only reinforces them as words to hurt others, do the recipient may not be you but some other vulnerable teen they come across

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If an indigenous teen called me a fag, is it acceptable for me to call him a b**ng?

Definately; It will show him that words can hurt, and theres also the deterrent effect, that is if he attacks you, verbally in this case, he is going to learn that he will get hit back just as hard.

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Good punch in the head works even better

I thought of that, I had had a couple of drinks so I was in the mood, but they were a little bit too far away.

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Just ignore their words and get a good description of them and if you can take a discreet photo on your phone and report them to the police.

That might work if you are in Surry Hills or Newtown, but out of Sydney forget about it; the cops tend to be rednecks and identify with their fellow rednecks.

Im prob wrong, generally am, but calling them poofs and faggots just re enforces that we are 2nd rate people, you use the hatred against us to pay out on straights? I dont get it.

Plain n simple it isn't, grow up.
As a minority, you should know the answer to your question, the fact that u posted it shows your ignorance/immaturity.

They're 15yo kids, laugh it off, they'll be more intimidated that it didn't rock your boat, why reinforce bad connotations with the word gay?

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Im prob wrong, generally am, but calling them poofs and faggots just re enforces that we are 2nd rate people, you use the hatred against us to pay out on straights? I dont get it.

You are probably right actually, although the intent wasn't to reinforce that gays are second rate people, however it may have this effect.

But you have to do something about them, you can't let them get the idea you are there for them to kick anytime they want to bully someone.
After all bullies only attack people they know wont defend themselves.

Actually I think there is a big difference between those who can't defend themselves, and people who choose not to feel as though they need to defend themselves.

Yes, bullies prey on the weak... Don't show them how much they get to you by biting back...

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Actually I think there is a big difference between those who can't defend themselves, and people who choose not to feel as though they need to defend themselves.

Well if I was wearing a disigner suit ( I was wearing a suit at the time, but not designer, from Fletcher Jones), and covered in gold and diamonds and getting into a brand new black BMW, then I mightn't bother defending myself, as the above signs of success would say it all.
I would just laugh at them as I was getting into my classy car.
But unfortunately I'm not in that position, so to make myself feel better, and for my future mental wellbeing, I have to hit back.

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Definately; It will show him that words can hurt, and theres also the deterrent effect, that is if he attacks you, verbally in this case, he is going to learn that he will get hit back just as hard...

Punishment does not work as a deterrant. It simply teaches people how to get away with what they're doing. More importantly, although the reaction to punishment is instantaneous, it doesn't promote long term learning. It's a very poor way to get a message across.

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Originally Posted by Doolander

Plain n simple it isn't, grow up.
As a minority, you should know the answer to your question, the fact that u posted it shows your ignorance/immaturity.

They're 15yo kids, laugh it off, they'll be more intimidated that it didn't rock your boat, why reinforce bad connotations with the word gay?

The following sentence comes across angry, but my emotions were completely neutral when I wrote it, and I can't be bothered rephrasing it:

D sometimes you make it really hard to just 'like' your posts. I agree with the second part. The first part seems unnecessary?

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Well if I was wearing a disigner suit ( I was wearing a suit at the time, but not designer, from Fletcher Jones), and covered in gold and diamonds and getting into a brand new black BMW, then I mightn't bother defending myself, as the above signs of success would say it all.
I would just laugh at them as I was getting into my classy car.
But unfortunately I'm not in that position, so to make myself feel better, and for my future mental wellbeing, I have to hit back.

Simoneybabe, I know it's hard to believe it in the world we live in today (and possibly in the past, I don't know), but material objects are not a source of self-worth. Don't get sucked into the mentality that advertising tries to promote - it's just a way to part you from your own money.

OT: If you think about it, advertising campaigns are often offensive in this way. Take Loreal as an example. Their tag line is 'because you're worth it'. Worth it? I'm worth a bottle of chemicals used to change the colour of my hair. That is the extent of my worth as a human being? Hair colour. Are you seriously F***ing kidding me?

Still OT: This issue has become so serious in modern life that the British Psychiatric Society has categorised individuals who are affected by advertising as having a condition known as 'American Narcissism' - a low sense of self-worth (as with any form of narcissism), coupled with the unreasonable expectation of entitlement to material objects (I.e. 'because they're worth it'). Note: This does not say that Americans are narcissistic - read the post carefully .

EDIT: Sorry, everyone is affected by advertising, provided they're exposed to it (and sometimes even without direct exposure - I.e. indirectly through others who are exposed). I meant those who are affected enough by it that it begins to influence their self-worth.

What Fahed said...

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What Fahed said...

Even this part?

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...D sometimes you make it really hard to just 'like' your posts. I agree with the second part. The first part seems unnecessary?...

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Simoneybabe, I know it's hard to believe it in the world we live in today (and possibly in the past, I don't know), but material objects are not a source of self-worth.

No but they can make you feel better and more empowered and successful; all thinks that can help you shrug off vilification.

The fact that you need to hit back also to feel justified in your actions does show a little immaturity I must say. Especially if you are an adult and they are teenagers. I think that choosing to feel as if you don't have to defend yourself is good advise.

Your independent and can do what ever you like, when ever you like.

They're prob still at home living with mummy and daddy getting thier dinner and beds made and have to go to school. That confrontation belongs on the playground.......

I tend to ignore 15 yrs olds....

Though I am sure they will have something intelligent to say in 20 years or so...

Im scared of trannies. They are all out to get me.
It is my conclusion that Trannies hate poofters.

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D sometimes you make it really hard to just 'like' your posts. I agree with the second part. The first part seems unnecessary?

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Even this part?

Even that part... I'm aware that I come across as blunt, but my advice is rarely ill-considered

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No but they can make you feel better and more empowered and successful; all thinks that can help you shrug off vilification.

You'll get to a point where material possessions only serve as a reminder of how you've become the corporate world's 'bitch'... Empowerment comes from within... Only you can give that to yourself...

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The fact that you need to hit back to feel justified in your actions does show a little immaturity I must say. Especially if you are an adult and they are teenagers. I think that choosing to feel as if you don't have to defend yourself is good advise.

Your independent and can do what ever you like, when ever you like.

They're prob still at home living with mummy and daddy getting thier dinner and beds made and have to go to school. That confrontation belongs on the playground.......

Simoneybabe, if you pay attention to only one post here, this is the one.

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I tend to ignore 15 yrs olds....

Though I am sure they will have something intelligent to say in 20 years or so...

This is also something to remind yourself of...

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Im scared of trannies. They are all out to get me.
It is my conclusion that Trannies hate poofters.

No, it's just you.

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No, it's just you.

LOL, yes I have long suspected I may be out on a limb and all alone...

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Plain n simple it isn't, grow up.
As a minority, you should know the answer to your question, the fact that u posted it shows your ignorance/immaturity

Yeah!!!! . . . Easy to say m8, when you're a young white male yourself and blend in with everyone else!! I love it when young white males like you, whose only taunts growing up was probably to be called a "geek" , like to come over all superior with there advice. Well it's a bit different when ya don't fit the homogenous W.A.S.P. mould, m8!!
I hear ya simoneybabe!! Whether it's "mature" or not to call them "poofters", there's one thing that I think no-one can argue against. Words have power! And while it mighten be the best way, if it silences the little twats on the spot, simoneybabe, then why not! Ya can argue that they are teenagers and "don't know any better" but by saying nothing I reckon ya just reinforce in their tiny minds that vilification of someone whose different is OK.
More power to ya, girl! I cant imagine how it is to be transgender and to live ya life transgender, but I can guess it takes a lot of guts. Dont let smug, sanctimonious postings like this make ya think that everyone thinks this way!

So if a group of wogs in a car scream out homophobic slurs as they drive past me, it's ok to shout out "f@ck off you dumb terrorists"???

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So if a group of wogs in a car scream out homophobic slurs as they drive past me, it's ok to shout out "f@ck off you dumb terrorists"???

Indeed. Tsk

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So if a group of wogs in a car scream out homophobic slurs as they drive past me, it's ok to shout out "f@ck off you dumb terrorists"???

Dickheads like that are obviously looking for a reaction. Their tiny brain gets a kick out of it. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction, I would pretend I didn't even hear it at all. Besides, is it worth giving the people around you a bad/wrong impression of you?

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Yeah!!!! . . . Easy to say m8, when you're a young white male yourself and blend in with everyone else!! I love it when young white males like you, whose only taunts growing up was probably to be called a "geek" , like to come over all superior with there advice. Well it's a bit different when ya don't fit the homogenous W.A.S.P. mould, m8!!
I hear ya simoneybabe!! Whether it's "mature" or not to call them "poofters", there's one thing that I think no-one can argue against. Words have power! And while it mighten be the best way, if it silences the little twats on the spot, simoneybabe, then why not! Ya can argue that they are teenagers and "don't know any better" but by saying nothing I reckon ya just reinforce in their tiny minds that vilification of someone whose different is OK.
More power to ya, girl! I cant imagine how it is to be transgender and to live ya life transgender, but I can guess it takes a lot of guts. Dont let smug, sanctimonious postings like this make ya think that everyone thinks this way!

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Anyway, that aside...

Don't make the mistake of thinking you know the kind of person I am, or the surrounds I grew up in M8

My post was plain and simple (Although a little brutal to be honest)

You're right though, words do have power, they have as much power as you want to give them... When someone hurls abuse at you, their abuse only has as much weight behind it as you want it to have. If you don't care, quickly they'll realise they don't care, because hey, who wants to torment someone that doesn't bite back?

Don't reinforce what they already think by playing their game... Change the game on them, and they'll stop playing, it's as simple as that...

That being said, I understand there will always be exceptions to this...

Hard call,

Whilst against all forms of violence and abuse, when cornered I believe we are all capable of just about anything.

Laughter is often the best response, or call them for what they were - idiots.

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because hey, who wants to torment someone that doesn't bite back?

Most cowards do, that's what.
In fact that's why they do it in the first place, because they think you wont bite back.
Do you see them going down the street abusing a hells angels member? No, because they are scared they will get whacked. That's why they do it to gays, lesbians or transgender people, or minority groups who they think will not hit back, because they think such people will not hit back.
If you don't hit back you just enhance their sense of power over tother people.