Ok so when I first joined SS I posted this question and didnt know myself that well and now I do Why do I have to be either male or female I feel both female and male Im happy being both I dont feel like I should be one or the other. Does anyone else feel the same? Or am I totally odd?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

thanks Trina my Dr and shrink kept telling me to decide what gender I want to identify as and I said both they said that both is not an option I love having boobs and a dick it suits my personality so now I will tell them that Im gender queer.

No one has to have a single gender. Genderqueer, agender (no gender) and bigender are all an option. I certainly don't settle for one, because I feel comfortable in neither.

Both is a definite option! You might need to seek a new psych......

labels, labels.

tsk tsk.

can't you be you?

For a read on some of the possibilities I recommend "Finding the Real Me" by the lovely Tracie O'Keefe and Katrina Fox. Obtainable from any GLBTI bookstore....they're Australian too :-)

"both" or all genders?

Sorry, I've just seen this thread and I agree with you all... you should be able to call yourself whatever you wish, without unneccessary limitations.

Here's why it's more complicated than just creating new boxes to tick when creating profiles. It's important we here on Same Same can connect with Facebook to make new sign-ups easy, since that's how most people find and sign up with us these days.

Facebook's policy on male/female profiles is addressed here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-9978875-36.html

And unfortunately since we're tied together we have the same limitations, while also offering the same 'opt out'.

In the Edit Your Profile section you can 'opt out' of answering the gender question. It's in the middle of this page:

http://my.samesame.com.au/edit-details

Just select "Tick this box if you don't want your gender displayed on your samesame profile."

This will ensure no gender pronouns like 'his/her' will appear on your profile or during any part of your experience on our site.

I know... this won't please everyone, since some may want other specific options, but it seems it's the best we can do for now, and for that I'm sorry. It's not an easy fix. I'd love to have a range of options but we simply can't right now. Hopefully Facebook will advance its options on this and when they do we'll quickly update our coding to match.

you still haven't shown us your giant thingy.

who Matt or me?

Mostly ladies are going for it. May be they thinks its fun to do. You can do it and it will change your whole personality.

During embryonic development a foetus develops for sometime as neither gender hence the developments of nipples in men, however determination of gender in utero occurs following the release of androgen like factors whic promote either male or female development, in identical twins subtle changes in levels of these factors have resulted in one twin being heterosexual whilst the other gay, perhaps in those who relate with both genders there may be some incomplete expression of genes determining the psychological basis of gender? I have not seen any clinical trials to support this but with further research in endocrinology & it's developmental effects on the human psyche there may be some link predisposing some people to identify with both genders?

You can be both, but more importantly you need to be happy being you. We don't all fit into the 'cookie cutter' lifestyle which unfortunately the majority lead. From experience it's hard presenting as both genders and often attracts unnecessary or unwanted attention...

You can be both!

Rejoice! many men love a TG with a doodle.

Cheers

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You can be both!

Rejoice! many men love a TG with a doodle.

Cheers

and where are all these men?

They're everywhere lol. Unfortunately if you are ts rather than tg they love you for a part of your body you are not fond of, so it doesn't work out well, but if you identify as both then you're in for a good time :-) There are dating and porn sites exclusivley for tg women but prepare to be objectified! Most guys won't see the real you through the fantasy.

no, you're not odd. i relate in some way... not that i'm both. more like i'm neither.
i do like the feminine and the masculine traits

all the best to you

I relate to being female. I always have. But that's just my perspective and realise that others do not always feel the same and sometimes feel both. I think the one most important thing in life is to be happy being "you". No matter who "you" define yourself as. We get so many labels forced on us in this life that we shouldn't add our own labels to try and be happy.

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I relate to being female. I always have. But that's just my perspective and realise that others do not always feel the same and sometimes feel both. I think the one most important thing in life is to be happy being "you". No matter who "you" define yourself as. We get so many labels forced on us in this life that we shouldn't add our own labels to try and be happy.

I feel exactly the same way and it's been something I've battled with for years trying to understand and rationalise why I felt that way. I simply hate(d) being male and found no real connection with it apart from the 'act' I portrayed to others as I tried to live my life.
Unfortunately society utilize and promote labels to allow easy classification and where something may not 'fit' it is often questioned or feared. If you feel comfortable or strong enough to be 'you' in spite of these lables then you should live a very happy life.

I don't feel entirely female, and I haven't for pretty much all my life, but it's only been this week that I've managed to pinpoint that feeling and name it. Sometimes I feel more male, and sometimes I feel like both, and sometimes neither.
Damn society and their labels.

i think i would be happier if i had a female body.. life would be so much easier
i think

I often feel both too, some days more male than female and other days vice versa. I think it's best to embrace and explore these feelings so to not limit oneself. We already have to do that enough simply from society ideals and expectations.

In saying that, personally I feel representing myself to the outside world as female is best for me even though I'm therefore categorized...

Btw, mostynice; are you not taking steps to obtain a female body?

i really dont know, what if im wrong?
what would be the first step?

it's not ideal, but i'm used to this

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i really dont know, what if im wrong?
what would be the first step?

it's not ideal, but i'm used to this

First talk to your Dr they may be able to refer you to a gender specialist. Or contact the nearest sexual health clinic they should be able to point you in the right direction.

ps hormone therapy is reverseable. good luck

PS. I had initial reservations and was forced to come out after my girlfriend at the time, thought it would take the heat from her own behaviour.

Anyway, after building up the courage to firstly make an appointment and then attend a doctor about it, I began the process. To date this has involved, blood tests, counseling and referral to the Southern Health/Monash Gender Clinic.

A few months later I was referred to Dr Fintan Harte, a psychiatrist. I was very hesitant and worried when I stated attending but made a promise to myself to simply be open and honest. Following 5 sessions with Dr Harte (many of which were very personal and tiring) I received a letter authorizing hormones.

Now, 6 months later, I've been out as 'me' quite a few times and have really enjoyed, embraced the experience. My body has clearly begun changing and I wake up each morning simply to check myself in the mirror ;-)

I feel a lot happier internally and physically feel energized like never before, but also 'alive.' Like I am more connected now with everything around me. It's hard to describe

To be honest, I've questioned and second guessed myself many times but found as I progress, things get easier, apart from how family and friends may react. As time has passed, I've also formed a resilience to 'potential criticism' which empowers me to venture further each time, whether hair, makeup, mannerisms; clothing, shoes, whatever.

This process provided me a grounding point, which I've used to assess myself and direction. Simply being able to be 'me,' present as such and mingle with other girls as one feels completely normal (like the first time I wore heels only recently) and brings me happiness that I simply cannot put into words.

It's very daunting at the beginning but once you take that first step, it should become easier and like me, you will be able to assess whether you feel happy or comfortable progressing.

From my experience hormones are reversible to a degree, however I feel it gave me a taste of what being 'female' in terms of physiology feels like. It has also opened my mind and made me want the change more which leads to secondary characteristics, like breasts. These may or may not be reversible.

One very important factor I forgot to add was the 'ongoing battle' I had, or feeling of not being 'right' has subsided and as such I can now focus more clearly and begin to enjoy life

Food for thought and hope this helps a little :-)

Oh and yes, good luck and enjoy it, even if just for a short while ;-)

I was living as a woman for a year before I started hormones wearing a bra stuffed with cups from a smaller padded pushup bra walking around town in womens clothes with long painted nails and my handbag. Ive always had long hair so I didnt need a wig. I didnt care what people thought or said cause I was happy, now I have boobies Im even happier. I use to want gender realignment surgery but since Ive grown boobies I love me the way I am. (I know the doctors call it gender reassignment but I prefer realignment because it aligns your mental and physical gender)

had a few issues where i couldnt post on the forums for a couple of days.

thanks so much for sharing your stories, i know my doctor is going to freak out but the more i think about it the more i want it.

Renee, i understand what you mean perfectly, or as good as my imagination goes...

i dont know how far i will go, but now i know the direction

Just to add, I used to dress too well before I started the hormone process. It felt like I was meant to and made me happy at the same time. When I was forced into facing my demons, I went to a special doctor rather than my existing family doctor, simply for privacy and understanding.

I found it a very big task to come out with it officially. I'd been raised in a strict, regimented household; I'd even played dad so it felt like I was letting not only myself down, but everyone else at the same time.

I love the way my body is progressing now and like badtranny, boobs are great. Mine are still on the up and up, get rather sore at times, but new pleasure zone, yes please!!

I initially used to think that if I could just present as 'me' a female and be accepted as such; that would do. I've always been fairly straight with sex, in the heterosexual man/woman sense, but after 6 months on hormones; I've been having some great fantasies about men making me a woman. Who would've thought ;-)

he he, who would have thought

do you mean like a gender specialist type doctor? i would have no issues discussing this with my Gp, the reason i havent done so as yet is because my work time conflicts with his.. long story short - i'll exagerrate and say that i have no patience. I just want to get started.
Just thinking about it has had a positive impact on my life - i cant explain it.
have been trying to find some hormones online for a little while now, but there are so may options and opinions it is hard to decide.
Renee, can u share more details on your journey? how did u get started on your own?

btw. i'm a little surprised, were you expecting to be a lesbian? I have similar thoughts, but i know that wont happen