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Originally Posted by MrAsh

I think it needs to be put in perspective. I agree we need to welcome and break the ice for new members, yet the welcoming committee approach by some forumites in the introduce yourself threads can be seen as schmultzy and attention seeking.

Yet I do like your comments in the introduce yourself thread. Dare I say the warm hearted country boy in you comes out!

Lol cheers Ash. I do agree with you, some first comments to new comers can be a bit too out there or just far too uniform in approach. I think most that post in that thread are genuine, and gladly welcoming to our new members. I guess the rest of us will just have to chip in more to make the newbs feel more at home! :]

Aside from that, making them feel more included in the conversations that go on in here is a massive help to them feeling more accepted. So good point on that one Ash.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

I think it needs to be put in perspective. I agree we need to welcome and break the ice for new members, yet the welcoming committee approach by some forumites in the introduce yourself threads can be seen as schmultzy and attention seeking.

Yet I do like your comments in the introduce yourself thread. Dare I say the warm hearted country boy in you comes out!

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Originally Posted by Marko

Lol cheers Ash. I do agree with you, some first comments to new comers can be a bit too out there or just far too uniform in approch. I think most that post in that thread are genuine, and gladly welcoming to our new members. I guess the rest of us will just have to chip in more to make the newbs feel more at home! :]

Aside from that, making them feel more included in the conversations that go on in here is a massive help to them feeling more accepted. So good point on that one Ash.

Aww I love that you guys are so sweet to each other - bet the lovemaking will be equally tender and sweet

....threesome? >:P

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Originally Posted by Marko

....threesome? >:P

Are you sure? I wouldn't want to intrude the passionate and tender lovemaking you guys will be doing -- you know the kind where both guys are lovingly gazing into each others' eyes as the top is slowly thrusting into the bottom...

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

Are you sure? I wouldn't want to intrude the passionate and tender lovemaking you guys will be doing -- you know the kind where both guys are lovingly gazing into each others' eyes as the top is slowly thrusting into the bottom...

Any love making Marko and I do together will be in the form of being team sluts for the N.Z. All Blacks.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Any love making Marko and I do together will be in the form of being team sluts for the N.Z. All Blacks.

Uhh okay - so both of you will be lovingly gazing into each others' eyes as you both are being mercilessly pounded side-by-side by All Blacks players?

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Originally Posted by azulmelb

Uhh okay - so both of you will be lovingly gazing into each others' eyes as you both are being mercilessly pounded side-by-side by All Blacks players?

Yes

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Yes

How about after being used by like cumrags by the players - you guys then make sweet sweet love?

^ I'm not that much of a bottom. Azul, I'd feel the time would be wasted, unless we could have your arse DPed by two well endowed islander boys! >

all talk no walk

Look whose talking Mr no show!

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Originally Posted by Dsquare

Actually yes, you do have an argument with me. You've attacked someone who I consider a friend and whom I have a lot of respect for and have brought a lot of hatred and spite to a forum I enjoy. So yes, I do take it as a personal insult.

And by the way, how do you know Wonderland is a "closeted husband-cheater"? As far as I'm aware you know no more about him than you could have gleaned from these froums, and I've ceratinly never seen him describe himself as such. Or are you just making assumptions from your preconcieved ideas and limited life experience?

Geez, ya leave this place for 5 fucken minutes an another vile troll comes outta the wood-work. Glad the fucker got banned and if it comes back it'll get so banned again. So where's the big "W"? If the troll's gone why doesn't he just come back and start posting again?

@ The Freak. You know where he's gone, m8? Know ya said ya not a gossip, but since you started the thread, can ya shed any light? I can't believe 1 nasty troll scared him off - he's a real "troll-fighter". Seen him go head-to-head with that fucken pointzer troll who definitely was a nasty piece of shit. Nah, Wonderland's got balls of steel, he's probably just taking a break for a while, right Freaky?

He still does Lebbo. He's posted me several times after this whole thing was revealed.

Troll'ing is just basically saying things to illicit a negative emotional response from someone.

Sadly people still don't understand the meaning of troll or understand when they are being the victim of a troll...

HISTORY 101... The troll expression came from a series of comics called rage comics... they have been out for a long time and after having a read you may come to understand the humour and history of trolling.

There is a line.

Freedom of speech, Having an educated opinion, Genuine concern.
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Vindictive, Hate mongering, Deliberate expression of views in an inappropriate manner with full knowledge that what they are doing is abusive/illegal/emotionally compromising and just plain mean.

I have found that you will never see a perma-troll/ troublemaker with their real pic up and any honest personal content in their profile.

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Originally Posted by Marko

I can see how it can be seen as suspect behaviour sometimes, but saying hi and welcome to the forums can do a lot to bring the person back. Some people will sign up, say "hi, this is me" in the Introduce yourself threads, an then never come back again.

I usually just throw in some extremely mild humour, I find it can help to break the ice for them.

agree

suspect behaviour can be reported you know for a real moderator to decide instead of accusations of it.

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Originally Posted by Sexycoffeeguy

Troll'ing is just basically saying things to illicit a negative emotional response from someone.

Sadly people still don't understand the meaning of troll or understand when they are being the victim of a troll...

HISTORY 101... The troll expression came from a series of comics called rage comics... they have been out for a long time and after having a read you may come to understand the humour and history of trolling.

There is a line.

Freedom of speech, Having an educated opinion, Genuine concern.
.................................................. ......................................
Vindictive, Hate mongering, Deliberate expression of views in an inappropriate manner with full knowledge that what they are doing is abusive/illegal/emotionally compromising and just plain mean.

I have found that you will never see a perma-troll/ troublemaker with their real pic up and any honest personal content in their profile.

This can be a grey area and as I stated in an earlier comment needs to be considered on a case-by-case basis. I find a lot of people if they disagree with an opinion will automatically accuse the person of 'trolling' even when they are presenting an educated alternative view. Yet as you said a lot of people don't understand what trolling actually is.

Good comment by the way.

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Originally Posted by biglebstud

Geez, ya leave this place for 5 fucken minutes an another vile troll comes outta the wood-work. Glad the fucker got banned and if it comes back it'll get so banned again. So where's the big "W"? If the troll's gone why doesn't he just come back and start posting again?

@ The Freak. You know where he's gone, m8? Know ya said ya not a gossip, but since you started the thread, can ya shed any light? I can't believe 1 nasty troll scared him off - he's a real "troll-fighter". Seen him go head-to-head with that fucken pointzer troll who definitely was a nasty piece of shit. Nah, Wonderland's got balls of steel, he's probably just taking a break for a while, right Freaky?

I'm sure you'll understand Mr Biglebstud if old Freaky says he can't answer for someone else on what they choose to do or not do.

I don't know if anyone else here remembers the "Homewares" thread? Old Freaky does with great affection because Mr Wonderland, Dsquare and myself "shanghai-ed" a perfectly normal thread and invested our own brand of "silliness" inside it. It stands out, to this old Freak, as one of the most enjoyable encounters I've had with 2 other people here, since I joined Same Same this year. Mr Wonderland PM ed me shortly after that and we've chatted a few times since.

I agree with Dsquare 1000% that Mr Wonderland is someone who this old Freak has come to admire and respect. I think it is fair to say, Mr Biglebstud, that he obviously prefers to keep some aspects of his life private. No one can blame the man for that. Don't we all to some extent ourselves?

As I consider myself a friend, I believe that it would be remiss of Freaky to divulge anything told in confidence. I hope you & others understand. I'm sure whatever Mr Wonderland chooses to do or not do will become apparent as time goes on.

May I say, Mr Biglebstud that I like your "..... balls of steel ....." description.

It conjures up all sorts of interesting "visuals"

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Originally Posted by TheOldie

agree

suspect behaviour can be reported you know for a real moderator to decide instead of accusations of it.

Thats a crock of shit - there have been vast amounts of clone profiles on this site - they like them because if someone has enough time on their hands to create multiple accounts, then they are going to bring way more chatter/activity to the forums than a normal poster = protected species by samesame. Look at the amount of different profiles for months and months from shaynesydney and his sidekick that we had to put up with. (but the IP adresses didnt match, so there was no "evidence). I remember lazzarus once rubbishing the failed notions of banning someone based on matching IP adresses, by saying he had 6 IP adresses, so that aspect is apparently easy to get around) Same with sesame/orightfellas/ect. Not to mention the vast array of characters that wysi has introduced to us over the years. Samesame is slitting their own throat by banning all these clones, by reducing the activity they bring to the forums, thats why they dont. They have no desire to. Just look at how many almost identical threads that "sunnyBB" created over the space of a week, not long ago, before the moderators finally "noticed". It was something that people were comenting on/creating activity = samesame loves it = unwillingness to do anything about it. You wouldnt tollerate someone being a fraud in real life - why tollerate it on here.

Hey! We do take these things seriously and yes, ALWAYS ban members who use the same IP address for more than one account. When they don't, we've got to be careful we're not banning actual new people, but when it becomes obvious they're the same person, we do act. That's why I do welcome people messaging me with their suspicions.

It's easy to have a go at us over this stuff... "oh well it was so obvious to me that suchandsuch is suchandsuch"... but without strong evidence we do get nervous hitting that 'ban' button, imagining a brand new poster getting booted out.

Yes, 'SunnyBB' stayed a few days too long. I don't look at the Ladies Lounge every day, and its readers and normally very swift at reporting things we need to see. It was a while before anyone reported 'her' and there were a few threads of 'hers' which inspired commentary. The same user/bot has been back twice since SunnyBB was banned and has been gotten rid of very swiftly.

This is a good topic, and I do need to get challenged on this stuff if anyone feels our moderation is going down the wrong track. And if you don't trust us, I'm glad you can raise your concerns. But your idea that we don't take the clone creations seriously and don't want to take action is a problematic one because it means you'll end up suspecting there's more of it going on than there actually is, because we're somehow supporting it. We're not.

We do naturally want this forum to be busy with lots of people using it, but not busy with a few people being mischievous and manipulative with multiple accounts. As you say, we wouldn't tolerate someone being a fraud in real life - why tolerate it on here? xx

I agree with Matt on this. As I said yesterday SS seems to have a habit of denouncing new members as clones until they have proved they are not, and in most cases there seems to be no evidence what-so-ever that they are a clone other than they are "new". Look at how many years Wysi has been accused of being a clone. I really find it hard to believe that someone could be bothered to keep a clone profile going for so long, and for what purpose? Clone accounts are usually used for trolling, such as our dearly departed Ballfree or whatever its name was, but Wysi has never been like that, so why do people insist he is a clone? And, the big question, a clone of who? Presumably if he's a clone he belongs to someone who has been around for at least as long as he has, so who is it?

It's not Matt's job to "protect" us from "frauds" - I think we're all old enough and ugly enough to look after ourselves. It's only when people become offensive and insulting, like our dear biafran, that a moderator should step in and ban them, and I think Matty does a pretty good job of giving people free reign to express themsleves while stepping in when appropriate and required. Particlularly when yo consider that babysitting us probably isn't Matt's only job, and possibly not even part of his official job description.

I thought that Trolls lived under bridges and ate billy goats.

I say bring back the good old days when clones had moustaches and wore flanny shirts. At least you knew who they were.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Just to inform people, there are different types of trolls.

Tone troll

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=tone-troll

Concern troll

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...oncern%20troll

Then there are also 'sock puppets'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)

Sad but true

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Originally Posted by The_Freak

I'm sure you'll understand Mr Biglebstud if old Freaky says he can't answer for someone else on what they choose to do or not do.

I don't know if anyone else here remembers the "Homewares" thread? Old Freaky does with great affection because Mr Wonderland, Dsquare and myself "shanghai-ed" a perfectly normal thread and invested our own brand of "silliness" inside it. It stands out, to this old Freak, as one of the most enjoyable encounters I've had with 2 other people here, since I joined Same Same this year. Mr Wonderland PM ed me shortly after that and we've chatted a few times since.

I agree with Dsquare 1000% that Mr Wonderland is someone who this old Freak has come to admire and respect. I think it is fair to say, Mr Biglebstud, that he obviously prefers to keep some aspects of his life private. No one can blame the man for that. Don't we all to some extent ourselves?

As I consider myself a friend, I believe that it would be remiss of Freaky to divulge anything told in confidence. I hope you & others understand. I'm sure whatever Mr Wonderland chooses to do or not do will become apparent as time goes on.

May I say, Mr Biglebstud that I like your "..... balls of steel ....." description.

It conjures up all sorts of interesting "visuals"

Fair enough, m8! . . . You 3 guys were very funny on that thread. Pure genius! . . . And I didnt mean to sound like I was pushing ya to tell about Wonderland. I suppose the guy's got his own reasons. And like ya said - gotta respect that. And got to respect ya for keeping his confidence too.

Geez Freaky . . . Who knew ya had it in ya to start a thread like this? Not havin' a go, m8! Ya just don't seem the type.

Haven't seen Wonderland around, so I guess he doesn't know about this thread. Shame, m8, shame . . . Champion effort on your part m8, anyway! Cheers bro!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Any love making Marko and I do together will be in the form of being team sluts for the N.Z. All Blacks.

ahem ah- ah ahem

*clears throat*

*loudly and obviously*

THAT (team slut for th all blacks) position is aready taken

as is th same position for Collingwood AFL team *o.m.g.!!! dane swan*

and south sydney rabitohs *equal o.m.g.!!! @ greg inglis*

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Originally Posted by sneakos

ahem ah- ah ahem

*clears throat*

*loudly and obviously*

THAT (team slut for th all blacks) position is aready taken

as is th same position for Collingwood AFL team *o.m.g.!!! dane swan*

and south sydney rabitohs *equal o.m.g.!!! @ greg inglis*

if you mean this guy Sneakos , then hands off. Meet you in the change rooms at gym to decide the winner !

oh

the tatts are bit much..............maybe I will let him have 2nd best...........he's yours

^ The colour in his tats don't look right. Hate the colour blue and green on tats.

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Originally Posted by TheOldie

if you mean this guy Sneakos , then hands off. Meet you in the change rooms at gym to decide the winner !

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Originally Posted by TheOldie

oh

the tatts are bit much..............maybe I will let him have 2nd best...........he's yours

omg

*faints*

he is sooooooooo hot

and yep - thats him oldie



and GI



any excuse to post pics of them 2 really

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Originally Posted by Marko

^ The colour in his tats don't look right. Hate the colour blue and green on tats.

Agree. Colour in tats maked them look cheap and bogan.

Not as cheap and bogan as bluebird tats however.