This Saturday is voting time in Sydney's by-election - who do YOU think deserves to become the next MP?



We asked Alex Greenwich, Shayne Mallard and Chris Harris our questions here:

http://www.samesame.com.au/features/...candidates.htm

In our straw poll, we're keen to find out who's impressed you the most... cast your vote!

We had the democrat's ,now they're gone
We have the greens , on their way out
which leaves us with a dilemma who to vote for now?

Its a shame that both these party's were hijacked by ego and did not remained true to their roots.

i chose Alex only because he's the cutest

is it just me or does greenwich look like hes on pills or something lol

I've got to the point now where I dont care , they all seem to end up in cat fights/slanging matches instead of running the country.

If I was to go by who I trusted just by looking at their faces its the guy on the right.

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Originally Posted by Zepol23

is it just me or does greenwich look like hes on pills or something lol

Poor Greenwich has been looking at that STUPID painting job for too long.



His friend Clover spent half a million dollars on that eyesore!



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Alex Greenwich was blessing animals infront of the Cathedral like some modern day St Francis of Assisi

Mark would have been outraged

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Originally Posted by Zepol23

is it just me or does greenwich look like hes on pills or something lol

hahaha

So anyone hear who won?

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...027-28by4.html

Wow, i was wrong - very wrong

Why? Because you thought that an inner city seat covering both parts of the inner west and inner east would vote for a liberal candidate after the liberal premier forced in legislation to ousted the democratically elected former mp in this seat?

I know u r a LNP supporter, but r u really that naive that you couldn't read the writing on the table? The result was always gong to be clovers heir.

If Barry O was smart he would've waited until just before the next state election to pass this legislation so that clovers ousting would've been hidden in a general state election campaign. The ALP might then hve run a candidate, Voters would've then wanted their vote to mean something for the whole state and may have chosen one of the 2 major parties.

As things now stand, Greenwich now has 2.5 years to build up his reputation with his constituents. Much harder for the Libs to shake off that than it would've been to fight the ALP for the seat come 2015.

This has been a monumental stuff up by Barry "do nothing" O Farrell. First of many I suspect.....

And the ALP PURPOSELY didn't run a candidate.

a master blow against the government without even spending a cent!

Right, but back up on the hysterics, and you'll see that clover moore wasnt the ONLY MP affected by this legislation, there were over 20. This painting of the legislation as a clover-killer was the PR coup that got her man over the line. Id be interested to see the result in this seat in the 2015 election, under normal election conditions, when this issue isnt able to be flogged mercilessly for benefit

When john brogden stepped down from his seat of pittwater, triggering a by-election, the independant alex mctaggart romped home with a huge margin against the libs, after no ALP candidate stod - next election he was swept out by the libs, by a big margin, after the initial issue that he was elected on, was no longer an issue (granted that is a liberal seat, though)

The voting public and the commercial media that feed most of them are becoming so fickle and hysterical, that i believe by 2092, john howard will still be australia's second-longest serving PM, and bob hawke will still be australia's third-longest serving PM - it will be near-enough to impossible for any PM/government to survive to a third term, regardless of how competent/accomplished they are, because of the media frenzy that gets whipped up, quite often, just for the sake of the exercise. Even a competent, stable government will be attacked and brought down on the perceived public basis that they are "tired", and "do nothing", simply because they have managed to stay in power for a certain amount of time, and now the media needs a new play-thing

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Originally Posted by local_warming

Right, but back up on the hysterics, and you'll see that clover moore wasnt the ONLY MP affected by this legislation, there were over 20. This painting of the legislation as a clover-killer was the PR coup that got her man over the line. Id be interested to see the result in this seat in the 2015 election, under normal election conditions, when this issue isnt able to be flogged mercilessly for benefit

There are no hysterics on my part. I don't live in the area nor do I think that Greenwich is a particularly good choice as clovers heir. Just an interest in the political chessboard game this has become.

Whether it was a get clover bill or it wasn't doesn't matter in the end. Barry O got a right royal kick up the bum.

And out of the 20 MPs affected by the legislation, how many chose their council positions over their state seats?

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Originally Posted by local_warming

(granted that is a liberal seat, though)

And that's the whole issue with this seat. It's been independent for a long time. Bad move on Barry Os part by handing it straight to an independent when he could've waited till near the end of his first term to do it.

It's going to be harder to get rid of Greenwich after hes served half a term already rather than if he'd merely been Clovers heir.

It's not like he's made things easier for himself either. Like Greenwich said last night. Now there are two of them. He would've been better off just fighting Moore for his first term.

Dumb dumb dumb.

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Originally Posted by JayTee

Why? Because you thought that an inner city seat covering both parts of the inner west and inner east would vote for a liberal candidate after the liberal premier forced in legislation to ousted the democratically elected former mp in this seat?

I know u r a LNP supporter, but r u really that naive that you couldn't read the writing on the table? The result was always gong to be clovers heir.

If Barry O was smart he would've waited until just before the next state election to pass this legislation so that clovers ousting would've been hidden in a general state election campaign. The ALP might then hve run a candidate, Voters would've then wanted their vote to mean something for the whole state and may have chosen one of the 2 major parties.

As things now stand, Greenwich now has 2.5 years to build up his reputation with his constituents. Much harder for the Libs to shake off that than it would've been to fight the ALP for the seat come 2015.

This has been a monumental stuff up by Barry "do nothing" O Farrell. First of many I suspect.....

I agree JayTee.

Even I nearly voted for Alex Greenwich based on the fact I wasn't impressed with Shayne Mallards campaign and also the O'Farrell government have been very very lacklustre in their performance so far. I was hoping Barry O'Farrell would be like Jeff Kennett and make real reforms in NSW, yet Barry is just still in opposition leader mode and I doubt that will change.

And in saying the latter I am now glad Alex did win the seat, even though I do have some reservations about how he will perform representing mainstream society, since he's only ever been a lobbyist for GLBTIQ causes, particularly marriage equality and I would like to see how he deals with the marginalised constituents he represents.

Also Antony Green from the ABC says that the Seat of Sydney is now over quota and will need to be redistributed by the next State Election and this may prove a battle for Greenwich at the next election.

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/nsw/...commentary.htm

Hmm when Mr Greenwich answered SameSames question about whether he'll be a puppet for Clover, he stated that he wasn't and the only prerequisite Clover had for endorsing him was that he was in it for Sydney.

Yet in this SMH article it states 'Mr Greenwich said Mr O'Farrell's legislation had backfired ''because now there are two of us'' '.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/moores-suc...027-28cbg.html



Yet on a very shallow level, Mr Greenwich and his mates in the background are a hot looking bunch of guys!

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Originally Posted by JayTee

It's going to be harder to get rid of Greenwich after hes served half a term already rather than if he'd merely been Clovers heir.

I agree with this assertation

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Yet on a very shallow level, Mr Greenwich and his mates in the background are a hot looking bunch of guys!

Are we looking at the same photo?

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

I was hoping Barry O'Farrell would be like Jeff Kennett and make real reforms in NSW, yet Barry is just still in opposition leader mode and I doubt that will change.

Yes, but there were vast swathes of victorians who hated kennett for it, despite the fact that many of the measures were in victorias long term interest. Reform is change, and it seems that alot of voters in the electorate resist strong change too quickly (look at the campbell newman backlash for slashing the grossly bloated QLD public service)

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Originally Posted by local_warming

Are we looking at the same photo?

OK only Mr Greenwich, I concur the rest are a bit geeky meh.

Mr Greenwich is too good-looking. What does he know about what us ordinary gay folk go thru?

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Hmm when Mr Greenwich answered SameSames question about whether he'll be a puppet for Clover, he stated that he wasn't and the only prerequisite Clover had for endorsing him was that he was in it for Sydney.

Yet in this SMH article it states 'Mr Greenwich said Mr O'Farrell's legislation had backfired ''because now there are two of us'' '.

You can have a workable coalition without being someones puppet. Right LW?

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Originally Posted by JayTee

You can have a workable coalition without being someones puppet. Right LW?

I will say I respect they way Clover Moore gained power on her own merits through hard work. It would not have been easy back in the 80's when she first stood for local council and then state parliament as an independent female politican. She would have endured a lot of misogyny and would have fought hard battles to gain recognition and achieve the things she has.

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Originally Posted by JayTee

Mr Greenwich is too good-looking. What does he know about what us ordinary gay folk go thru?

That's why I said it's going to be interesting to see how he deals with the real marginalised and underprivileged of society. I just hope he doesn't put a white hanky on the chair when he sits down on his visits to places such as the Wayside Chapel.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

...Yet on a very shallow level, Mr Greenwich and his mates in the background are a hot looking bunch of guys!

I come down to your shallow level Ash and say that when I got close to him yesterday I was dazzled by his beautiful teeth but disappointed that his legs are as skinny as my wrists.

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Originally Posted by mark_

I come down to your shallow level Ash and say that when I got close to him yesterday I was dazzled by his beautiful teeth but disappointed that his legs are as skinny as my wrists.

Well I met him on my way to work a couple of weeks ago and he looked at me as I walked down as if 'oh god here comes a short fat thing' (like most scene queens) and as I went up to him he was pleasant and I expressed at how I thought he was a devlishly handsome man.

Yet yes on a gay superficial level he does need to work on his legs.