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trina2004 · # 1 **something a bit disappointing** ~ 1st March 2010, 02:35 PM

Hey all

Back from a long hiatus from the net and after a very hectic, fun weekend...
Anyone else go to the parade?
I had a blast, first time and all that.

The only disappointing thing was the two boys behind me, angel wings on, covered in glitter, sneering at and making comments about Amanda Lepore.
In fact, throughout the parade I could hear things like "Is that a boy or a girl?" and mocking laughter.

I kind of wanted to turn around and knock them both of their milk crates, but thought better of it due to the domino's effect it would probably create.

But yeah, apart from that it was a great night.

wysiwyg_syd · # 2 1st March 2010, 08:08 PM

actually, i did not know who Amanda Lepore was, and was wondering whether she's a girl or a boy. i just learned from google she's a tranny.

scottmaley · # 3 1st March 2010, 09:24 PM

It doesn't really matter whether Amanda is a Boy or a Girl, the fact is that, as a 'Transexual' she is not representative of either 'Gay Men' or 'Lesbians' as in the name 'Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras'. This just perpetuates the myth that all 'Gay Men' want to be Women, or feminine in some way. This is not the case at all. Why have the 'Trans' community been lumped into the same group as 'Gay and Lesbian' as many Trans people are not even Gay, and I know many Transvestites that do not like to be labelled as Gay. I as a Gay man certainly do not relate in any way to a Transexual or Transvestite.

poolboy jackson · # 4 1st March 2010, 09:39 PM

Scott, have you met a 'transgendered' person recently?
I find Amanda Lepore rather 'unsettling' but I suspect the younger generation of transgenders are quite likable.

hanjan · # 5 1st March 2010, 09:51 PM

Didn't go but watched it on the teev and my daughter looked over in our direction with a sour face and asked "what's that?" when Amanda popped into view. I had nothing to respond with...

scottmaley · # 6 1st March 2010, 09:54 PM

Poolboy, I don't think you read my Post properly. I know many 'Transgendered' people, both Transexual and transvestite and never said anything about not liking them, as I have many Trans friends. I said that I do not relate to them as a Gay man, and they do not like to be put in the same group as us as 'Gay People', as they are not always Gay.

poolboy jackson · # 7 1st March 2010, 10:02 PM

Fair enough.

ItsAllInTheEyes · # 8 1st March 2010, 10:22 PM

I'd say that she is all woman!

I don't see why Trans community shouldn't be grouped with Gay/Lesbian. We all face the same ignorance, bogans, inability of the larger population to accept our "choices" (not the right word, but you get my drift).

Thats why it saddens me to hear about the ignorance of those guys at the march. I'm with you Trina, very poor form.

Glad you had a blast Trina

wysiwyg_syd · # 9 1st March 2010, 10:38 PM

then, should it be renamed The Sydney GLBTIQ Mardi Gras?

trina2004 · # 10 2nd March 2010, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsAllInTheEyes

I'd say that she is all woman!

I don't see why Trans community shouldn't be grouped with Gay/Lesbian. We all face the same ignorance, bogans, inability of the larger population to accept our "choices" (not the right word, but you get my drift).

Thats why it saddens me to hear about the ignorance of those guys at the march. I'm with you Trina, very poor form.

Glad you had a blast Trina

Thanks

I'm so glad someone understood what I was upset about!

It's disappointing, to say the least, that even within the gay community there is this instinct to make someone the "other".
Lesbians and gays are marginalized in straight society, so to hear these boys in their ignorance doing the same thing to transsexuals was terrible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanjan

Didn't go but watched it on the teev and my daughter looked over in our direction with a sour face and asked "what's that?" when Amanda popped into view. I had nothing to respond with...

A human being, with the same right to respect and dignity as your daughter and yourself.
I bet if a little girl pointed at you on the street and said "What's that?" you would be on here crying about it.

ammonite · # 11 2nd March 2010, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trina2004

The only disappointing thing was the two boys behind me, angel wings on, covered in glitter, sneering at and making comments about Amanda Lepore.
In fact, throughout the parade I could hear things like "Is that a boy or a girl?" and mocking laughter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanjan

Didn't go but watched it on the teev and my daughter looked over in our direction with a sour face and asked "what's that?" when Amanda popped into view. I had nothing to respond with...

i agree with you trina and ItsAllInTheEyes, but are you sure these reactions are because she is trans? some of them might be because she has had so much facial plastic surgery.

according to (often inaccurate) wikipedia, not including her gender related procedures, she has had 'rhinoplasty... her eyes slanted twice, her forehead lifted, her hairline pulled down, and her brow bone reduced... and her forehead and lips injected with liquid silicone... and the lips later reduced'.
(it says her gender reassignment and related procedures have been 3 breast augmentations, buttocks and hips enlarged with liquid silicone, and full genital reasignment - though it doesn't specify which procedure)

being trans she may well (even probably?) have/had body dismorphia, so i completely understand why she has also felt the need to change her face. but i really think surgeons need to be more accountable for their actions - to me what has been done to Ms Lepore's face is severely negligent.

ItsAllInTheEyes · # 12 2nd March 2010, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ammonite

but are you sure these reactions are because she is trans? some of them might be because she has had so much facial plastic surgery.

You might be right there amm. I really don't look at the outer packaging much as I tend to focus on whats on the inside. I look at the eyes, and hers look very, very sad in that pic

zebra-stripes · # 13 2nd March 2010, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmaley

It doesn't really matter whether Amanda is a Boy or a Girl, the fact is that, as a 'Transexual' she is not representative of either 'Gay Men' or 'Lesbians' as in the name 'Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras'. This just perpetuates the myth that all 'Gay Men' want to be Women, or feminine in some way. This is not the case at all. Why have the 'Trans' community been lumped into the same group as 'Gay and Lesbian' as many Trans people are not even Gay, and I know many Transvestites that do not like to be labelled as Gay. I as a Gay man certainly do not relate in any way to a Transexual or Transvestite.

When I first read that I was thinking "Oh, sounds like he's a naive teenager with a idealistic idea of what mardi gras is about"

But you're old enough to be a little wiser than this.

scottmaley · # 14 2nd March 2010, 09:42 AM

I think I'm wise enough and maybe you should speak to a few 'Transsexuals' and Transvestites and find out how they feel about being 'Gay' when a large majority of them are Heterosexual. After working with them for 20 years, I think I know a little bit about this. Perhaps the idea of being 'Gay' in Australia is rather different to what it is in the UK? I certainly do not have an idealistic view on what Mardi gras is about, but I do have a realistic view on what it should be about. Sadly, it doesn't seem to give the right message to anyone anymore. If you really want to know what Mardi Gras is....check out this link.. http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/MardiGras/

hazyinseptember · 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmaley

It doesn't really matter whether Amanda is a Boy or a Girl, the fact is that, as a 'Transexual' she is not representative of either 'Gay Men' or 'Lesbians' as in the name 'Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras'. This just perpetuates the myth that all 'Gay Men' want to be Women, or feminine in some way. This is not the case at all. Why have the 'Trans' community been lumped into the same group as 'Gay and Lesbian' as many Trans people are not even Gay, and I know many Transvestites that do not like to be labelled as Gay. I as a Gay man certainly do not relate in any way to a Transexual or Transvestite.

this post makes me a sad panda...

hazyinseptember · # 16 2nd March 2010, 10:20 AM

This thread needs some more of this....

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marky markywicz · # 17 2nd March 2010, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ammonite

i agree with you trina and ItsAllInTheEyes, but are you sure these reactions are because she is trans? some of them might be because she has had so much facial plastic surgery.

according to (often inaccurate) wikipedia, not including her gender related procedures, she has had 'rhinoplasty... her eyes slanted twice, her forehead lifted, her hairline pulled down, and her brow bone reduced... and her forehead and lips injected with liquid silicone... and the lips later reduced'.
(it says her gender reassignment and related procedures have been 3 breast augmentations, buttocks and hips enlarged with liquid silicone, and full genital reasignment - though it doesn't specify which procedure)

being trans she may well (even probably?) have/had body dismorphia, so i completely understand why she has also felt the need to change her face. but i really think surgeons need to be more accountable for their actions - to me what has been done to Ms Lepore's face is severely negligent.

Good post, was along the lines of what I wanted to reply.
All said here.

hazyinseptember · # 18 2nd March 2010, 10:32 AM

and some of this too..

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hazyinseptember · # 19 2nd March 2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ammonite

i agree with you trina and ItsAllInTheEyes, but are you sure these reactions are because she is trans? some of them might be because she has had so much facial plastic surgery.

being trans she may well (even probably?) have/had body dismorphia, so i completely understand why she has also felt the need to change her face. but i really think surgeons need to be more accountable for their actions - to me what has been done to Ms Lepore's face is severely negligent.

I think part of Ms Lepore's appeal is that she is confronting.. You don't get called a 'living work of art' for nothing..

ammonite · # 20 2nd March 2010, 11:55 AM

hazyinseptember · # 21 2nd March 2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmaley

If you really want to know what Mardi Gras is....check out this link.. http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/MardiGras/

If YOU really want to know what Mardi Gras is about.. check out this link..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_...ian_Mardi_Gras

trina2004 · # 22 2nd March 2010, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ammonite

i agree with you trina and ItsAllInTheEyes, but are you sure these reactions are because she is trans? some of them might be because she has had so much facial plastic surgery.

Yeah its true the comments could have been about her appearance, but the boys I was talking about did it throughout the parade whenever they saw a transperson.

trina2004 · 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmaley

If you really want to know what Mardi Gras is....check out this link.. http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/MardiGras/

And like all Catholic traditions, shrove tuesday is an adaptation of an earlier custom.
As far as I can remember, (from reading about it) it was a Roman festival held around February that involved a lot of eating and dancing etc.

badamj2000 · 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmaley

It doesn't really matter whether Amanda is a Boy or a Girl, the fact is that, as a 'Transexual' she is not representative of either 'Gay Men' or 'Lesbians' as in the name 'Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras'. This just perpetuates the myth that all 'Gay Men' want to be Women, or feminine in some way. This is not the case at all. Why have the 'Trans' community been lumped into the same group as 'Gay and Lesbian' as many Trans people are not even Gay, and I know many Transvestites that do not like to be labelled as Gay. I as a Gay man certainly do not relate in any way to a Transexual or Transvestite.

Im cool with Amanda being head of parade. MG is inclusive: anyone and everyone is accepted. Trannies are marginalised due to their sexuality, as are gays , lezbos, bicycles etc?

badamj2000 · # 25 2nd March 2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trina2004

Yeah its true the comments could have been about her appearance, but the boys I was talking about did it throughout the parade whenever they saw a transperson.

She looks odd but thats 'her' thing. Too much plastic surgery, botox etc? I heard she had some ribs removed to give her 'shape'. She makes me think of Jessica Rabbit from that cartoon movie. Hyperreal, larger than life, her own special creation? I can think of no better, more appropriate, place for her than at Sydney MG.

hazyinseptember · # 26 2nd March 2010, 03:18 PM

^

lol .. you mean this?

yes it is her..

badamj2000 · # 27 2nd March 2010, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazyinseptember

^

lol .. you mean this?

yes it is her..

It is a good match?

HAve you ever seen them in the same room at the same time? I think not!

flounder · # 28 2nd March 2010, 04:05 PM

[quote=trina2004;222051]Thanks

I'm so glad someone understood what I was upset about!

It's disappointing, to say the least, that even within the gay community there is this instinct to make someone the "other".
Lesbians and gays are marginalized in straight society, so to hear these boys in their ignorance doing the same thing to transsexuals was terrible.

And bisexuals get booed at Mardi Gras, fuck so much for tolerance of each other.

trina2004 · # 29 3rd March 2010, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flounder

And bisexuals get booed at Mardi Gras, fuck so much for tolerance of each other.

Hey, I'm commenting on something I observed. I didn't see any biphobia in action at MG, but if that's true, that's terrible. I never said that the gay community is some shining example of tolerance, so I d0n't see your point.

Brightside05 · # 30 3rd March 2010, 06:51 PM

The follow up to Matthew Mitcham was that monstrosity? Talk about backward steps.

trina2004 The sexualised fascist. Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,598		# 1 something a bit disappointing ~ 1st March 2010, 02:35 PM Hey all Back from a long hiatus from the net and after a very hectic, fun weekend... Anyone else go to the parade? I had a blast, first time and all that. The only disappointing thing was the two boys behind me, angel wings on, covered in glitter, sneering at and making comments about Amanda Lepore. In fact, throughout the parade I could hear things like "Is that a boy or a girl?" and mocking laughter. I kind of wanted to turn around and knock them both of their milk crates, but thought better of it due to the domino's effect it would probably create. But yeah, apart from that it was a great night.

wysiwyg_syd Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,211		# 2 1st March 2010, 08:08 PM actually, i did not know who Amanda Lepore was, and was wondering whether she's a girl or a boy. i just learned from google she's a tranny. __________________ ............................... ...............................

scottmaley wishing you all a merry Chrimbo Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8		# 3 1st March 2010, 09:24 PM It doesn't really matter whether Amanda is a Boy or a Girl, the fact is that, as a 'Transexual' she is not representative of either 'Gay Men' or 'Lesbians' as in the name 'Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras'. This just perpetuates the myth that all 'Gay Men' want to be Women, or feminine in some way. This is not the case at all. Why have the 'Trans' community been lumped into the same group as 'Gay and Lesbian' as many Trans people are not even Gay, and I know many Transvestites that do not like to be labelled as Gay. I as a Gay man certainly do not relate in any way to a Transexual or Transvestite.

poolboy jackson is now 'Mark_' Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,822		# 4 1st March 2010, 09:39 PM Scott, have you met a 'transgendered' person recently? I find Amanda Lepore rather 'unsettling' but I suspect the younger generation of transgenders are quite likable.

hanjan in love with my beautiful gf and daughter who are both tucked up in bed mwah xo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4		# 5 1st March 2010, 09:51 PM Didn't go but watched it on the teev and my daughter looked over in our direction with a sour face and asked "what's that?" when Amanda popped into view. I had nothing to respond with...

scottmaley wishing you all a merry Chrimbo Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8		# 6 1st March 2010, 09:54 PM Poolboy, I don't think you read my Post properly. I know many 'Transgendered' people, both Transexual and transvestite and never said anything about not liking them, as I have many Trans friends. I said that I do not relate to them as a Gay man, and they do not like to be put in the same group as us as 'Gay People', as they are not always Gay.

poolboy jackson is now 'Mark_' Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,822		# 7 1st March 2010, 10:02 PM Fair enough.

ItsAllInTheEyes bathing in Bliss! Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 309		# 8 1st March 2010, 10:22 PM I'd say that she is all woman! I don't see why Trans community shouldn't be grouped with Gay/Lesbian. We all face the same ignorance, bogans, inability of the larger population to accept our "choices" (not the right word, but you get my drift). Thats why it saddens me to hear about the ignorance of those guys at the march. I'm with you Trina, very poor form. Glad you had a blast Trina __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless.

wysiwyg_syd Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,211		# 9 1st March 2010, 10:38 PM then, should it be renamed The Sydney GLBTIQ Mardi Gras? __________________ ............................... ...............................

scottmaley wishing you all a merry Chrimbo Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8		# 14 2nd March 2010, 09:42 AM I think I'm wise enough and maybe you should speak to a few 'Transsexuals' and Transvestites and find out how they feel about being 'Gay' when a large majority of them are Heterosexual. After working with them for 20 years, I think I know a little bit about this. Perhaps the idea of being 'Gay' in Australia is rather different to what it is in the UK? I certainly do not have an idealistic view on what Mardi gras is about, but I do have a realistic view on what it should be about. Sadly, it doesn't seem to give the right message to anyone anymore. If you really want to know what Mardi Gras is....check out this link.. http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/MardiGras/

ammonite can't read Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 9,018		# 20 2nd March 2010, 11:55 AM true

hazyinseptember quite frankly a threat to the safe and secure operation of society. Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,066		# 26 2nd March 2010, 03:18 PM ^ lol .. you mean this? yes it is her.. __________________ . You are happiest when you make your own music in your own way --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Cerulean Heart - Beautiful electronica - www(dot)myceruleanheart.com

flounder Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,800		# 28 2nd March 2010, 04:05 PM [quote=trina2004;222051]Thanks I'm so glad someone understood what I was upset about! It's disappointing, to say the least, that even within the gay community there is this instinct to make someone the "other". Lesbians and gays are marginalized in straight society, so to hear these boys in their ignorance doing the same thing to transsexuals was terrible. And bisexuals get booed at Mardi Gras, fuck so much for tolerance of each other.

Brightside05 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,026		# 30 3rd March 2010, 06:51 PM The follow up to Matthew Mitcham was that monstrosity? Talk about backward steps.

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