I have been thinking lately... Why is it that the Australian Government feels it is reasonable to exclude same-sex couples from the institution of marriage? For me,
the excuses used by the Australian government have little credibility. Religion is an option for some people who wish to marry, but it is not compulsory for marriage as it once was. Marriage in Australia is a secular institution, people of no faith or different faiths have the right to marry, religion has no place in the debate. Yet, Julia Gillard and the Labor government continue to impose her/their personal values onto the Australian public, and think comments such as: "it's important for people to understand their bible stories" apply to this argument.

The other major argument is that children benefit most from a male and a female role model, but there is no credible evidence to suggest that children brought up by same-sex couples are in any way disadvantaged. And the excuse the purpose of marriage is to procreate holds no leverage either, since the Australian government doesn't regulate heterosexual marriages where there are no children, or single parent families. In fact, Rodney Croome, in the book "Gay Marriage Yes" (2010)suggests that same-sex marriage is beneficial for children and religion. It's all well and good for Julia Gillard to make comments like: "for our culture, for our heritage, the Marriage Act and marriage being between a man and a woman has a special status" but the reality is this "special status" she is talking about is not just the right to be married but has a trickle on effect to many other societal institutions and human rights that are denied to same-sex couples simply because they do not have the choice to marry if they want to.

In my opinion, the issues stopping same-sex marriage from being legalised is simple: homophobia and fear. Those in power don’t want anything to change because they are afraid of something they don’t understand. The excuse that politicians repeatedly use: “marriage is a bedrock institution that hasn’t changed for thousands of years” is rubbish. Marriage has changed many times to suit the changing times. For instance; divorce is legal even though the bible completely opposes it, women are no longer considered the subordinate property of their husbands as they once were, and inter-racial couples are permitted to marry even though it was once thought that was “unnatural” and “wrong.”

There are many strong arguments for why same-sex marriage should be legalised in Australia. Not least, Australia is a democratic nation and legislation should reflect what is fair and equal, and what the people want.

Hmmm, all I can say is, "Bring on the Greens!"

what's the difference? it's the same as how the australian gay LGBT community is racist against gay asians. Then they deny they are racist by sweeping it off saying "it's just a preference". gay people here always accuse straight people discriminate them but they themselves too discriminate against gay asians. such is the hypocrite society...

Hardly... I love Asian guys. Hit me up anytime.

AWOL hardly for you but not for many others unfortunately...

Fair point I guess. Still, I know a lot of guys in the younger generations -prefer- Asian guys. And I can see why.

Perhaps, considering we're 10 yrs apart! lol. hopefully will be better for the younger generation...

Fair point. Still, you're cute .

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what's the difference? it's the same as how the australian gay LGBT community is racist against gay asians. Then they deny they are racist by sweeping it off saying "it's just a preference". gay people here always accuse straight people discriminate them but they themselves too discriminate against gay asians. such is the hypocrite society...

There is some fairness in your comment. Unfortunately Gay Australians are no more/less racist than their straight counterparts. Racism is wrong wherever it comes from. So is homophobia which underpins opposition to Gay marriage rights.
We just have to keep fighting for what's fair and just.

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There is some fairness in your comment. Unfortunately Gay Australians are no more/less racist than their straight counterparts. Racism is wrong wherever it comes from. So is homophobia which underpins opposition to Gay marriage rights.
We just have to keep fighting for what's fair and just.

I differ on this. Gay Australians are very much racist than str8 conterparts. This is very evident on clubs, bars and dating scene/sites.... How asians are treated are totally different than say in the equivalent str8 venues. I don't know where you stay but it is obvious... Gay Australians judge on skin colors.

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I differ on this. Gay Australians are very much racist than str8 conterparts. This is very evident on clubs, bars and dating scene/sites.... How asians are treated are totally different than say in the equivalent str8 venues. I don't know where you stay but it is obvious... Gay Australians judge on skin colors.

You need to substantiate your claim. Please quote the studies/surveys you rely on for your claim that gays are more racist than straights.

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You need to substantiate your claim. Please quote the studies/surveys you rely on for your claim that gays are more racist than straights.

Why do I need to? This is a forum not a court. Just go around and ask any gay asians and i'm pretty sure majority will say the same thing. And besides, you yourself is not asian so you've never experienced what me and other asians have experienced. you have no right to speak on behalf of asians who were discriminated cause we are the victim, not you...

having said that, i see that situation has been improving for younger generations.

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Why do I need to? This is a forum not a court. Just go around and ask any gay asians and i'm pretty sure majority will say the same thing. And besides, you yourself is not asian so you've never experienced what me and other asians have experienced. you have no right to speak on behalf of asians who were discriminated cause we are the victim, not you...

having said that, i see that situation has been improving for younger generations.

Why? Because you make the claim that Gay Australians are more racist than other Australians.
You're right in saying I'm not asian and I don't claim to speak on their or your behalf. However, I am gay and I do know what its like to be treated unfairly. I,ve lost a job and been kicked out of a flat ONLY because I was gay. So I do know what its like to be discriminated and a victime of such treatment. This sort of behaviour is well documented over a number of years in Australia and elsewhere.What is'nt documented is your claim that gay Australians are MORE racist than other Australians.
If you are making such a claim, the obligation is on you to substantiate that claim. I'm not saying that some Australian gays are'nt racist; clearly some are and I've seen it myself. So there is no dispute there. But you make an offensive and nasty claim that you only support by anecdotes; not any concrete evidence from representative or substantial studies.
You cannot expect others to agree with you if this is all you offer in support of your claim.

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Why? Because you make the claim that Gay Australians are more racist than other Australians.
You're right in saying I'm not asian and I don't claim to speak on their or your behalf. However, I am gay and I do know what its like to be treated unfairly. I,ve lost a job and been kicked out of a flat ONLY because I was gay. So I do know what its like to be discriminated and a victime of such treatment. This sort of behaviour is well documented over a number of years in Australia and elsewhere.What is'nt documented is your claim that gay Australians are MORE racist than other Australians.
If you are making such a claim, the obligation is on you to substantiate that claim. I'm not saying that some Australian gays are'nt racist; clearly some are and I've seen it myself. So there is no dispute there. But you make an offensive and nasty claim that you only support by anecdotes; not any concrete evidence from representative or substantial studies.
You cannot expect others to agree with you if this is all you offer in support of your claim.

You're so ignorant that it's obvious you don't have many gay asians around you to know what's really happening. it;s pointless to talk to people like you. just deny and deny...

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You're so ignorant that it's obvious you don't have many gay asians around you to know what's really happening. it;s pointless to talk to people like you. just deny and deny...

It would be easy to get into a slanging match with you;but I refuse to. So I dare you to respond to these points.
1. You say that non-asian gay australians are more anti-asian than their heterosexual counterparts, but present only anecdotal evidence to support this. I dispute this until you present credible evidence to the contrary; do so and I'll change my view. Ignorance, denial?
2. By making the claim above you are saying that gays in australia are more racist than heterosexuals. Care to give us any evidence to support this alleged link between racism and sexuality or am I just expected to wear this homophobic smear?
3. A common (but not universal) view amongst many non-sian gay australians is that gay asian men are all passive with small penises. However studies of gay asian men show that gay sexual behaviour is much the same as gay men anywhere else in the world and penis size is much the same as for gays of caucasian descent.
Tell me, should I believe this common view or the studies ?

I look forward to your response. Unfortunately I expect it will probably just be more unsubstantiated abuse on your part, because the real problem that you seem to have is that you don't like having your beliefs challenged and required to provide real evidence to support your wild claims.
You seem to have much the same thought processes as bigots in Australia or any other part of the world.
I look forward to being proved wrong.

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It would be easy to get into a slanging match with you;but I refuse to. So I dare you to respond to these points.
1. You say that non-asian gay australians are more anti-asian than their heterosexual counterparts, but present only anecdotal evidence to support this. I dispute this until you present credible evidence to the contrary; do so and I'll change my view. Ignorance, denial?
2. By making the claim above you are saying that gays in australia are more racist than heterosexuals. Care to give us any evidence to support this alleged link between racism and sexuality or am I just expected to wear this homophobic smear?
3. A common (but not universal) view amongst many non-sian gay australians is that gay asian men are all passive with small penises. However studies of gay asian men show that gay sexual behaviour is much the same as gay men anywhere else in the world and penis size is much the same as for gays of caucasian descent.
Tell me, should I believe this common view or the studies ?

I look forward to your response. Unfortunately I expect it will probably just be more unsubstantiated abuse on your part, because the real problem that you seem to have is that you don't like having your beliefs challenged and required to provide real evidence to support your wild claims.
You seem to have much the same thought processes as bigots in Australia or any other part of the world.
I look forward to being proved wrong.

I don't have to prove you an already well known facts among the gay community. Would a thief admit he's a thief? Would a racist admit that he's racist? You're the reason that why racism is still well and alive in Australia.

What I say here can be taken as right and wrong. I don't need to prove it cause for anyone reading this post, you can just go out and speak to gay asians. You can have your own view and so am I. I'm not going to change you. I'm not a bigot that tries to force my opinion on someone. All I'm doing is presenting my own view and experience here as a gay asian. I've also many other gay asian friends who voiced similar opinions. If you're friendly enough and not racist, you can go talk to other gay asians and see what their experience are like.

It's ironic that you mentioned yourself as being discriminated and yet your posts seems to be aggravating. If you would like to change my view, I invite you to present evidents on how aussie gays treat asian gays equal or nicer. Right now, I'm not changing your view. It's just like trying to change one's bad habit.

Racism & homophobia all seems to come from fear, ignorance and stupidity.

I love the whole japan/anime/cosplay thing and consequently have a lot of asian male friends. I can honestly say that racism is not just in the gay community, most white girls avoid asian guys like the plague, so its not just gays its the whole 'white' mentality, even they prefer white girls haha

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Racism & homophobia all seems to come from fear, ignorance and stupidity.

No. Racism and homophobia come from a learned idea about who we are and who they are and the idea that they are not us. It can be unlearned but not in my lifetime I suspect.

lol how did this go from same-sex marriage to asians

My pain is bigger than your pain!

My oppression is bigger than yours, Nyah, Nyah!

My victimhood is bigger than yours.

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I love the whole japan/anime/cosplay thing and consequently have a lot of asian male friends. I can honestly say that racism is not just in the gay community, most white girls avoid asian guys like the plague, so its not just gays its the whole 'white' mentality, even they prefer white girls haha

That's ironic since I get quite some aussie girls interested on me than gay guys. And that 'white' mentality, it's fast changing these days.

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lol how did this go from same-sex marriage to asians

Cause I see how hypocrite local gay community here, acting innocent, always claim they are oppressed by the "straight world" but yet in reality they themselves oppress minorities like no one else's business.

I think the gay community is to stuck in its own little view that everything must match what they find attractive and as such they make comments they don't realize come across as ageist, racist etc.

but you cant really kick the whole community for the few you see I mean some straight guys are homophobic not all are same with gay guys some are delusional does not mean everyone is stuck in that same delusion personally i dont have a trait that i find attractive

When it comes to choosing a partner, discrimination is totally acceptable.

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Fair point I guess. Still, I know a lot of guys in the younger generations -prefer- Asian guys. And I can see why.

Any preference based on race is sexual racism and as far as I am concerned potato queens and rice queens are racists. You like the individual for who they are and not what they are.

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Any preference based on race is sexual racism and as far as I am concerned potato queens and rice queens are racists. You like the individual for who they are and not what they are.

and if you prefer guys over girls that's being sexist is it?

its not only sexist its misogynist!

Let's all get totally ridiculous... I like totally ridiculous.

i dont believe gays in sydney should be allowed to get married. they are all sluts. ! marriage should be reserved for small towns with proven results where 1 marriage is till death do us apart.

so only gay people in hobart should get married.