Those sneaky bastards!

https://www.facebook.com/BoycottGloriaJeans

Quickly wrote this up... Gloria Jeans has responded:

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/loca...-diversity.htm

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Originally Posted by NATEE

Well said Sean555, I could not of said it any better. Take his advice on board gentlemen, the man is talking sense. Here Here!

Nothing wrong with Civil unions ladies and Gentlemen, I see this pointless battle with religious groups whose traditions clearly state marriage for their religious organisation/domination is between 'A man and a women' (for their notion of procreation)

Push for civil unions that is it.

Are you religious? If not, I find it amazing you would accept their definition of marriage. They can have an opinion on religious marriage but seeing as this is not a theocracy, they should refrain from having an opinion on civil marriages.

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Originally Posted by Barrin

That's what they were saying 30 and 40 years when the battle was to remove the laws against homosexuality. Marriage will achieve what decriminalisation didn't?

Don't focus too much on marriage, it's about equality on all levels.
Decriminalisation was the first step, total equality the next.

Like A-Punk said: the reasons why anyone would wanna get married or whether it's good to get married or not are not important. What is important is that a gay person has the right and the option of marriage available to him or her should they want to.

This is the 21st century. How anyone would justify or even support anything less than total equality is beyond me.

G'day DavoJimbo, thanks for proving my point. (Keep the hate coming, we're :ROFL: here).

Just for the record:
- I'm Gay.
- I'm not religious (obvious considering I blasphemed and said "Oh, for Christ's sake").
- I have a daughter, I raised while in a long term relationship with a man.
- I didn't need any activist group to approve of who I am and live it for their own political gain.

I'd prefer all these malodramatic activists to keep their politics out of my bedroom and personal life.
Who exactly is this "WE" they speak of when talking about LGBT issues.
I am in that group by definition and I don't remember the "activists" asking me what I thought.

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

Don't focus too much on marriage, it's about equality on all levels.
Decriminalisation was the first step, total equality the next.

Like A-Punk said: the reasons why anyone would wanna get married or whether it's good to get married or not are not important. What is important is that a gay person has the right and the option of marriage available to him or her should they want to.

This is the 21st century. How anyone would justify or even support anything less than total equality is beyond me.

Back in the 60s feminists scorned marriage as oppressive. Now gay men (it mostly seems to be men) call marriage equality. They can't both be right.

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Originally Posted by Barrin

Back in the 60s feminists scorned marriage as oppressive. Now gay men (it mostly seems to be men) call marriage equality. They can't both be right.

Back in the 60s women scorned marriage as oppressive coz the position of the woman in a marriage was an oppressed one.

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Originally Posted by Matt Akersten

Quickly wrote this up... Gloria Jeans has responded:

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/loca...-diversity.htm

hmmmmm am a bit confused

A once off donation of $30,000 doesnt seem to be that big a deal and it was nearly 2 years ago.

But then they said Gloria Jeans founders are Senior members of the Church.

?

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Originally Posted by Barrin

Back in the 60s feminists scorned marriage as oppressive. Now gay men (it mostly seems to be men) call marriage equality. They can't both be right.

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

Back in the 60s women scorned marriage as oppressive coz the position of the woman in a marriage was an oppressed one.

Many women are still oppressed in marriage and relationships around the world and yes even in western cultures. Even though western society has progressed, we still have a long way to go for the full inclusion and equality of women. There are still men (of all backgrounds) in our society who believe their wife and children are their property. There are still women out there who believe their husband is the lord and master.

To say women aren't oppressed by marriage or society is ignorant and sexist.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Many women are still oppressed in marriage and relationships around the world and yes even in western cultures. Even though western society has progressed, we still have a long way to go for the full inclusion and equality of women. There are still men (of all backgrounds) in our society who believe their wife and children are their property. There are still women out there who believe their husband is the lord and master.

To say women aren't oppressed by marriage or society is ignorant and sexist.

Are you saying I said women aren't oppressed by marriage or society? If so, please quote me.
If that's what you're implying: I was talking about what happened in the 60s.
It would be ignorant to think you know my opinion on the woman's position in general (not only marriage) in the 21st century in the western and the rest of the world.

So are you saying coz women are oppressed gay people should not be able to get married? If yes:
1/ where's the logic behind that thought?
2/ two wrongs have never made a right

And MrAsh, if you were implying that I am ignorant and sexist because of how I supposedly feel about women and their rights and their position in the world, please refrain from commenting on me without knowing my thoughts on the subject.
It is annoying.

^ that's not half as annoying as what it will be like when you're married and you will have to accommodate someone else's opinions and ideas 24 hours a day in the kitchen and the bedroom.



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People like Natee and sean 555 are cowardly trolls. They would'nt have the guts to actually stand up and show their faces and say the things are saying. Instead they slag off their own community from the safety of their computer keyboard.

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Originally Posted by mark_

^ that's not half as annoying as what it will be like when you're married and you will have to accommodate someone else's opinions and ideas 24 hours a day in the kitchen and the bedroom.



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And what does that have to do with marriage equality?
You don't want to get married and think it's a horrible institution? Good but other people have different opinions.

Maybe if you could think 'share' instead of 'accomodate', you might be less 'unlovable' (your words, not mine)

I doubt I'll 'marry' because it's not easy to get a man to commit nowdays.

And, also, I don't want to give 50% of my assets and 50% of my income to some man.

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

Back in the 60s women scorned marriage as oppressive coz the position of the woman in a marriage was an oppressed one.

^^^

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

Are you saying I said women aren't oppressed by marriage or society? If so, please quote me.
If that's what you're implying: I was talking about what happened in the 60s.
It would be ignorant to think you know my opinion on the woman's position in general (not only marriage) in the 21st century in the western and the rest of the world.

So are you saying coz women are oppressed gay people should not be able to get married? If yes:
1/ where's the logic behind that thought?
2/ two wrongs have never made a right

And MrAsh, if you were implying that I am ignorant and sexist because of how I supposedly feel about women and their rights and their position in the world, please refrain from commenting on me without knowing my thoughts on the subject.
It is annoying.

You implied that back in the 60's womens position in marriage was an oppressed and today it's all hunky dory. Which isn't the case. If it was we shouldn't have family courts dealing with hideous and barbaric divorce cases, nor would there be domestic violence, nor would there be the need for womens refuges. IMO you're comment suggests you're sexist.

Also when it comes to marriage, I made a comment earlier that marriage isn't about love, it's about economics and power.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

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You implied that back in the 60's womens position in marriage was an oppressed and today it's all hunky dory. Which isn't the case. If it was we shouldn't have family courts dealing with hideous and barbaric divorce cases, nor would there be domestic violence, nor would there be the need for womens refuges. IMO you're comment suggests you're sexist.

Also when it comes to marriage, I made a comment earlier that marriage isn't about love, it's about economics and power.

No I did not. I explained why women were against marriage in the 60s. I did not imply everything is hunky dory now. Show me where I explicitly said everything is hunky dory today.
Again: you assume too much. Don't you dare force your assumptions onto me.

To you marriage isn't about love but there are more people in the world than just you MrAsh and believe it or not, their opinion counts too.

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

And what does that have to do with marriage equality?
You don't want to get married and think it's a horrible institution? Good but other people have different opinions.

Maybe if you could think 'share' instead of 'accomodate', you might be less 'unlovable' (your words, not mine)

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Originally Posted by mark_

I doubt I'll 'marry' because it's not easy to get a man to commit nowdays.

And, also, I don't want to give 50% of my assets and 50% of my income to some man.

Mark is right. Most gay men prefer open relationships and even if they rant and rave about being monogamus, more often than not, they aren't and are both playing around. I personally don't believe there is a thing as a monogamus gay man or relationship. Perhaps in peoples delusions there is, yet in reality I've seen to much empirical evidence to say otherwise.

Also when marriage is legislated, I can't wait to hear about the divorce cases which will surely eventuate in the first couple of years after the laws have passed. I bet there are going to be some real bitch fights in the family courts involving same sex divorces and some very rich opportunistic gay men out there.

I wonder if SameSame will make features of same sex divorces when the time comes?

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

No I did not. I explained why women were against marriage in the 60s. I did not imply everything is hunky dory now. Show me where I explicitly said everything is hunky dory today.
Again: you assume too much. Don't you dare force your assumptions onto me.

To you marriage isn't about love but there are more people in the world than just you MrAsh and believe it or not, their opinion counts too.

Yes you did imply that women aren't oppressed Wonderland and there are more people in the world than just you Wonderland and believe it or not, their opinions count too.

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

…Don't you dare .…

Hmmm… I'd suggest some pre-marriage counselling.

http://www.relationships.org.au/

Marriage is all about compromise and having a joint bank account

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Yes you did imply that women aren't oppressed Wonderland and there are more people in the world than just you Wonderland and believe it or not, their opinions count too.

Quote me now

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Mark is right. Most gay men prefer open relationships and even if they rant and rave about being monogamus, more often than not, they aren't and are both playing around. I personally don't believe there is a thing as a monogamus gay man or relationship. Perhaps in peoples delusions there is, yet in reality I've seen to much empirical evidence to say otherwise.

Also when marriage is legislated, I can't wait to hear about the divorce cases which will surely eventuate in the first couple of years after the laws have passed. I bet there are going to be some real bitch fights in the family courts involving same sex divorces and some very rich opportunistic gay men out there.

I wonder if SameSame will make features of same sex divorces when the time comes?

That has got nothing to do with the fight for marriage equality.

People have accidents in their car. Don't buy a car??

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

…I bet there are going to be some real bitch fights in the family courts involving same sex divorces and some very rich opportunistic gay men out there.…

Indeed, and some very rich opportunistic divorce lawyers.

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Originally Posted by MrAsh

Yes you did imply that women aren't oppressed Wonderland and there are more people in the world than just you Wonderland and believe it or not, their opinions count too.

Haaaahahaha!!! You are such a wanker MrAsh!

You're sitting all high and mighty making assumptions and turning them into my so-called opinion of the position of the woman in the world.

Again, you are a wanker and for the record, you couldn't be more wrong, I even share the believe that there is a war on women in the western world. I helped more women than you had wanks in your life mate.
And that is the last thing I share with you on this topic coz your rude ways put me off.

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Originally Posted by mark_

Hmmm… I'd suggest some pre-marriage counselling.

http://www.relationships.org.au/

Marriage is all about compromise and having a joint bank account

Your cynicism is dragging you down.

^
I'm guessing you haven't witnessed the breakdown of a marriage.

You didn't come from 'a broken home'.

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Originally Posted by mark_

^
I'm guessing you haven't witnessed the breakdown of a marriage.

You didn't come from 'a broken home'.

Wrong.

( I have noticed more than a few people on SS with parents who have ended their marriage )

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Originally Posted by mark_

( I have noticed more than a few people on SS with parents who have ended their marriage )

Your point being?

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Originally Posted by Wonderland

Haaaahahaha!!! You are such a wanker MrAsh!

You're sitting all high and mighty making assumptions and turning them into my so-called opinion of the position of the woman in the world.

Again, you are a wanker and for the record, you couldn't be more wrong, I even share the believe that there is a war on women in the western world. I helped more women than you had wanks in your life mate.
And that is the last thing I share with you on this topic coz your rude ways put me off.

I don't believe anything you write. You're just an obnoxious troll.