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Is this a realistic account of gay or is it just pattern matching?

May I just say that I think the whole world is run on fear. It's the foundational emotion that drives all behaviour across all species of life on earth (except perhaps those that haven't yet developed it)

Good article, Doolander...

pfft...

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Originally Posted by Fahed

May I just say that I think the whole world is run on fear. It's the foundational emotion that drives all behaviour across all species of life on earth (except perhaps those that haven't yet developed it)

Nuh-uh not true...
Humans are almost the only species that can conceptualise their own mortality...

Almost ALL other species live on instinct, we do not...

Prove it

I only got through half and couldnt be bothered.

Gays wanting to be slim no different to straights wanting to be slim.

Of course some do it out of fear but its not a gay problem its also a straight problem in other words a problem in our society but only applies
to those that judge people on their body type.

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intelligent article. bears are in a class of their own.

"I tend to defer to Kathy Griffin on this issue. How do you get six pack abs? From sucking lots of..."

LOL

I am just naturally skinny, Idk why, I eat good foods and alot of bad foods, I never seem to be obsessed with being picture perfect, but would love to stay in shape so I can run or walk somwhere and not get puffed out

Once you hit 25 you will find it increasingly harder to stay super slim.

^
you should be staying away from donuts. They're all dough and no nuts!

Hahaha that was hilarious... I think it is realistic. It may not be representative of the forumites here, but this mentality is out there!

Yet gay ghettos such as Oxford St are full of junk food. Go figure...

Drunk gays will put anything into their bodies.

Hence the need for a hospital so close to the strip.

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Nuh-uh not true...
Humans are almost the only species that can conceptualise their own mortality...

Almost ALL other species live on instinct, we do not...

Please leave Discovery channel comments to David Attenborough! Lol

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Originally Posted by Fahed

May I just say that I think the whole world is run on fear. It's the foundational emotion that drives all behaviour across all species of life on earth (except perhaps those that haven't yet developed it)

Umm actually it's run by fear AND love. These are the two underlying emotions which directly affect all emotions we experience.

i thought the reason gay dudes dont get fat is because we're always out there rooting (well, some are) and they say sex is a great way 2 work off those extra kgs.

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Once you hit 25 you will find it increasingly harder to stay super slim.

I'm 25!

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Originally Posted by Doolander

Nuh-uh not true...
Humans are almost the only species that can conceptualise their own mortality...

Almost ALL other species live on instinct, we do not...

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Originally Posted by Anthony Mahera

Umm actually it's run by fear AND love. These are the two underlying emotions which directly affect all emotions we experience.

I will take you up on this discussion provided it doesn't descend into name calling, if that's even possible on this site. I will agree that humans are capable of rational thought, and that we are able to rise above instinct (in fact, it is questioned whether any human instincts exist in the true sense of the word), but fear is an emotion, and one we are all prone to.

In an ideal world intellect would win out over emotions every time, but it doesn't work that way - we're fallible, the emotions we have are there for very good survival reasons, despite the fact that they can be just as destructive as they are constructive if left unchecked. The idea that capacity to control = perfect control every time is clearly wrong (note I'm not putting words in your mouth here, just building an argument).

What about the rest of the time? I would argue that even our intellectual capacities are built on a bed of emotional intelligence, and that the primary emotion is fear.

On a neuroscientific and psychological level, fear has received probably the most attention out of all the emotions because it is virtually ubiquitous, is easy to identify and can be reliably produced. Of all the emotions, fear can be seen earliest in newborns, has the largest 'real estate' dedicated to it in the brain, and is present across the entire lifespan - even in individuals who have suffered considerable brain damage or atrophy due to mental illness or disease. Indeed it is frequently used as a test to check for normal functioning (not so much the presence or absence of it, but rather the way it manifests and what causes it). Although I'm not suggesting any special claim to truth by virtue of their position, I have read work by more than one psychologist or psychiatrist who name fear as a core human emotion and base whole theories (particularly in development) on fear and fear management.

I think, rising from early development, what we develop are a set of capacities. (Not what I think anymore ->) Depending on the nature of our early relationships with caretakers, and the capacities they have developed, as well as outside factors such as historical environment and genes, our capacity to cope with our emotions is shaped. (My thoughts again ->) the way we then behave is likely to be a complex interaction between our capacities and our emotions. I.e. How well we deal with our fear, and what behaviours result from our fear depend on many things - not just its presence or absence, but the fear is still there driving behaviour.

Nothing bothers me more than people who claim they are not afraid. It's poppycock. Everyone is afraid all the time, it's just impossible to function if you can't find a proper way to deal with it, so most people block it out and genuinely have no conscious perception of it. Personally I find it more productive to feel my fear and manipulate it consciously, but that's another story with varying degrees of success.

A special note on love - I agree, it's a strong driving force on behaviour, but I think fear is an emotion which is part of love or at least the two hold a close relationship. I think feeling loved can help allay specific fears, but I'm not so sure that this is the only effect love ever has - just off the top of my head, it is possible to have fears for loved ones, in which case love is a catalyst for generating fear which otherwise would not exist. Furthermore, it's perfectly possible to feel loved and still be afraid - just off the top of my head, there are those who are loved, in love and are anxious about not being loved. Of course this is an insecure kind of love, but it is still possible. I know that you were arguing that both exist and both drive behaviour, but it's hard to say for certain that what drives our behaviour is not a set of fears that are related to love rather than love itself.

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Umm actually it's run by fear AND love. These are the two underlying emotions which directly affect all emotions we experience.

I would argue that even love is a fear based emotion, and only exists to distract us from the stark reality that we - all - will die, alone

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I would argue that even love is a fear based emotion, and only exists to distract us from the stark reality that we - all - will die, alone

How the f*** did you get all that into one sentence?

it comes with age young fagulon

I wish gay guys really were that diligent about their physique.

Most gay guys are in a physically sorry state.

I'm 39 and in better shape than most of the younger ones.

Why do I do it? Well I'm not into the gay scene, circuit parties ( never been yawn ) so can't accuse me of conformity as a motivation. But as a gay guy since puberty always attracted to a fit body - all that beauty, strength, vitality.

I don't like the body builder look. Love the footie guys - masculine physical performance honed to perfection! Looks so HOT!

I do old school strength training. No medicine ball, zumba, cable flyes or bicep curls in the squat rack. I lift heavy on compound movements - deadlifts and squats - some gyms actually ban these lifts because they are "dangerous", "bad for your back". BS! But they are definitely out of fashion.

When I started I could deadlift about 80kg, after 1 year on and off interruptions I can dead lift 170kg.

Squats I now do 125kg ( started at 70kg )- full parallel squats with perfect form.

And I just get stronger - goal is 170kg squat and 200kg deadlift = advanced strength levels

Extra bonus - I got muscles! Not as much as I would if I concentrated on just body building instead of strength. But definitely gets me attention.

Extra, extra bonus!! - the young guys watch me when they think I don't see, they are scared of deadlifts and squats because of all the propaganda but they can see how strong and fit I am. They do silly girly cable fly and dumb bell stuff to get puffed up muscles - but they are not strong.

Strength training is awesome - makes you real strong, teaches discipline, perseverance, experiencing failure repeatedly before breaking through, you only got yourself to answer to for what you achieve or don't. Makes you drink a lot less, pay attention to diet and rest - but hey I can eat junk food too, shifting heavy weights burns calories fast!

I will do this forever! Guys in their 60s are smashing down heavy lifts - no decrepitude for them.

You dont have to be rich, young or born with the best genes, it doesnt take a lot of time - 4 hours minimum per week - how much time to people sit in front of TV stuffing their cake holes and feeling depressed?

So fear of old age/illness/death possibly unconscious motivations - but they are built anyway aren't they.

Definitely motivated by the other reasons above.

Well that was inspiring! I feel like running out into the rain and shouting 'I CAN FUCKING DO IT!!!!!!!"

Then I would run back inside sit in front of the heater, get into my jammies, get a snack and play Rome: Total War

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Well that was inspiring! I feel like running out into the rain and shouting 'I CAN FUCKING DO IT!!!!!!!"

Then I would run back inside sit in front of the heater, get into my jammies, get a snack and play Rome: Total War

Well that's what sets me apart from the sheeple.

what about bisexuals?

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i thought the reason gay dudes dont get fat is because we're always out there rooting (well, some are) and they say sex is a great way 2 work off those extra kgs.

Dougster unless you're going like Phar Lap on Melbourne Cup Day weight loss & sex is more of a myth especially for all the starfish out there!!

@fahed,

Various spiritual teachings say that there are only two fundamental emotions: love and fear. For the body, this is true. All mammals, including humans, have two opposing hormonal responses to stimuli. Threatening stimuli cause an increase of stress hormones—adrenaline and cortisol. Soothing or reassuring stimuli cause an increase in oxytocin.

A sudden threat triggers the fight-or-flight response associated with adrenaline. Adrenaline steps up heart rate, increases respiration, activates muscles, and promotes hyper-alertness. Longer-term stress (from a few minutes to days and weeks) increases a different stress hormone: cortisol. Cortisol, too, makes us hyper-vigilant, but its evolutionary functions are quite different than the temporary jolt of adrenaline designed to propel us out of danger.

The stress encountered by mammals—and our hunter-gatherer ancestors—was chiefly physical, not emotional. The most common physical stressors were probably starvation, long migrations, and critical injury. To cope with such emergencies, cortisol begins to break down non-essential organs and tissues to maintain blood sugar and feed vital organs. When cortisol stays at high levels, it automatically digests bones, muscles and joints to obtain these key nutrients. The result is elevated blood fats and sugar, which are related to many disorders. Another side effect is hunger; we reach for high-calorie foods.

Today our biggest long-term stressors are emotional and mental, not physical. In effect, we are a “new” scientific experiment. We face threats in the form of potential job loss, the pressure of commuting in heavy traffic, a barrage of fear-producing media, relationship disharmony in a marriage, etc. Even though these are not physical threats, our body has only one, automatic response: more cortisol. Cortisol is very hard on the body, so all these threats indirectly become physical threats.

Fortunately, we have a built-in mechanism for countering stress, which forms the basis of our alternative response to stimuli. It entails another hormone, called oxytocin. Apart from its functions of inducing emotional bonding, labor, and lactation, oxytocin counters the effects of cortisol.

http://www.entelechyjournal.com/robinsonwilson.htm

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I enjoyed this article. I agree with soo much in it. I too was a gym dependent with low self esteem. I still am but Im just too lazy to go now Could anyone ever love me / us for who/m I/we am/are? Lif eis so complicated for us homos I tell you .