Ohh how I've missed the Christian Right!!

What the fuck is wrong with these people...they should seriously be the laughing stock of society by now...

I like how the Christian Today Australia talk on behalf of the sensible majority....damn hipocrites, crawl back into your hole and rot.

One (fairly minor) speech by Kirby, and the nutjobs unwind. Why don't they have better things to do?

Kirby is my hero!
Such a great, smart and intelligent man to look up to!!

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Originally Posted by coast_boy

Kirby is my hero!
Such a great, smart and intelligent man to look up to!!

How is he a hero? He was a freaking judge for more than 20 years and he never did
anything to advance gay rights!

the Christian right are so CAMP, we can't compete... get off our lawn!

Eurolad, you need to read some of Mr Kirby's speeches and aticles, all of which are available at www.michaelkirby.com.au, if you seriously believe "he never did anything to advance gay rights". You also need to understand the role of the judiciary: he was in fact strongly criticised by many for the vehemence and frequency of his public statements about gay and other human rights. Finally, his greatest contribution to the cause was probably achievedas a role model: simply by having the courage to own his sexuality and live as an out gay man, which so many other prominent Australians have failed to do.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyB

Eurolad, you need to read some of Mr Kirby's speeches and aticles, all of which are available at www.michaelkirby.com.au, if you seriously believe "he never did anything to advance gay rights". You also need to understand the role of the judiciary: he was in fact strongly criticised by many for the vehemence and frequency of his public statements about gay and other human rights. Finally, his greatest contribution to the cause was probably achievedas a role model: simply by having the courage to own his sexuality and live as an out gay man, which so many other prominent Australians have failed to do.

Public statements do not create change
I know that the judiciary in Australia is pretty much useless considering that
-people are not allowed to sue who they want to sue for whatever reason they wish
-people cannot take the government to court over human right issues as we do not have a bill of rights
-people cannot initiate referendums

I wonder why a person in Australia would even want to be a judge given that they can't do a damn things to change the status quo

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Originally Posted by eurolad

-people are not allowed to sue who they want to sue for whatever reason they wish

This I can assure you is a crock of shit! People sue for the most ridiculous reasons now in this country...we are becoming more and more like the US in the way that we are seeing the rise of litigation culture...want to get some cash? Sue the bastards! It is fucking pathetic in many cases.

If you want to see the amount of technicalities that places workers in the Human Services at risk of being sued and fired you would think twice about your statement.

For example if I am a worker in a residential care unit and I tap one of the "clients" (wards of the state) on the shoulder or place my hand on their back to comfort them I can be sued for battery.
If I swing a scarf in the air and the client feels threatened by it then I can be done for assault.
If a client goes nuts and pulls a knife on me and I disarm them and bruise or injure them in the process I can be done for assault and battery even though I was defending myself.
If a student is crying or is depressed and require attention from a teacher, a hug or any physical contact of a similar manner can be used against the teacher in court as evidence to prove the student was being touched up.

Clients and students in some cases will find ways to get money/compo from suing teachers, case workers and youth workers...etc

These are a few examples in the field of working with kids and young people.

Ever realised that the OH&S laws of NSW allow prosecution of employers for failing to meet standards or in cases of death and injury?

You can sue for most things in this country.

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Originally Posted by eurolad

-people cannot take the government to court over human right issues as we do not have a bill of rights

Victoria does have "The Charter" and from memory, you can contest vilification cases in court in NSW (whereas you cannot in Victoria).

There is a bit of a push at the moment across the country for a bill of rights on a federal level. Lets make sure it has a snowball effect.

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Originally Posted by eurolad

I wonder why a person in Australia would even want to be a judge given that they can't do a damn things to change the status quo

Changing or challenging the status quo is something that the people are to do...considering that Australia technically is a Liberal Democracy the importance of people power should be self evident.

It is lazy fucks or scared people who don't want to protest or lobby the government for change. If you feel so strongly about it then get out there and start campaigning, agitate and organise. There are groups out there willing to participate it is a matter of organising...or you can sit on your arse and take pot shots online, which merely creates a lot of piss and wind, making your anger useless and not constructive.

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Originally Posted by eurolad

How is he a hero? He was a freaking judge for more than 20 years and he never did
anything to advance gay rights!

Up yours!
Im sure your heroes are much more highly regarded in society than Kirby!
He is my hero for many reasons, the biggest one being that it is great to see an openly gay man in such a high position of authority and respect, especially in the legal community!
Obviously you know nothing about the him, perhaps you should do a bit of research before making such silly comments...

mwa ha ha

Kirby had a lot of influence in getting the changes through in recognising equal rights to gay's in federal laws.
He didn't retire until this was through so he could pass on his pension to his lover upon his death.

I think the Christian lot need to find an hobby. They must have too much time on their hands.

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Originally Posted by Poetic Amy

I think the Christian lot need to find an hobby. They must have too much time on their hands.

Rod: Daddy, what are you doing?

Ned Flanders: Imploring people I never met to pressure government with better things to do to punish a man who meant no harm for something nobody even saw, that's what I'm doing!

Todd: Daddy, we think you need a new mommy.

I had a learning curve about prominent "gays" when I wrote to the SMH when Justice Kirby 'came out" many years ago. They wished to publish my letter but wanted to edit it, and I finally relented. At the time numerous groups and individuals were calling for the prosecution of Kirby for supposedly breaking the sexual laws by his Who's Who disclosure but in my letter of support for Justice Kirbly I pointed out that he had merely described his life 'partner' as a man. The letter's editor insisted this must have meant they 'had sex' which I said, claimed no such thing and as a married gay man who hadn't ever had sex with my wife, although we remained close friends and partners, the word 'lover' or 'partner' could not be deemed to mean anything other than what the person saying it meant it to mean !. I was correct in a legal sense but it did show how the current views at the time (early 90's ) still meant perceived educated newspapers like the Fairfax chain still wished to twist a tale into what they wished it to be. I think it's probably got worse.

Lol

There is some truth in that image.... LOL