Massive Police Presence AtSummer Gay Day

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Why is it that whenever you need help from a police officer on Oxford Street they’re nowhere to be found, but then you’ll go to a peaceful, well-organised event in the park like Summer Gay Day or Global Gathering and feel like you’ve gone to the APEC summit?

The police presence at Summer Gay Day this year was totally heavy handed and thoroughly unpleasant. The 3000 partygoers were met at the gates by at least twenty officers, numerous drug detection dogs and a fleet of nine patrol vehicles. People were being searched left, right and centre as they made their way inside, many were asked to remove their shoes and items of clothing, often in full view of passers by.

Once inside the party people weren’t able to sit and enjoy the sunshine without constantly having their personal space invaded by police and sniffer dogs. Officers remained on site from midday – two hours before the event started – until 6pm. At one point I saw a man surrounded by numerous officers being strip searched down by Kippax Lake in full view of everybody – totally unnecessary and humiliating. At least ten people reported that they were searched, and when it was discovered that they had no drugs on them, police still asked for their details to keep on file. Many were also searched more than once.

Predictably later that night on Oxford Street there were no police to be found. In the wee hours of the morning I was literally stepping over smashed bottles, people passed out in the gutter, and saw one gay guy punched in the stomach and back by a female unknown to him.

Global Gathering was hit hard on Sunday too. Throughout the day, a total of 52 people were arrested, 51 of those in relation to drug offences.

“It is extremely disappointing… that some people still have not got the message that illegal drugs will not be tolerated by NSW Police,” said A/Inspector Brad Nuttall, Surry Hills Local Area Command said. “If you carry or supply prohibited drugs at these events, you will be caught and you will be put before a court.”

Summer in Sydney is off to a great start! And as of this weekend we have the lockouts to look forward to as well.

“This is a timely reminder to everyone, as the weather continues to warm up and the festive season gets underway, that anti-social behaviour is not acceptable, and this includes the use of illegal drugs.”

One has to wonder what kind of behaviour is acceptable. Strip searching people in public? Relentless invasion of personal space and intimidation? Taking personal details of innocent people to keep on file, so that they are ‘known to police’?

In 2006 the NSW Ombudsman described sniffer dogs as a dismal failure, yet years later they continue to be used. The Ombudsman cited that 73% of people identified by the dogs are not carrying drugs, most drugs detected are small amounts of cannabis and that dogs are failing to detect drug dealers.

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dreadcircus

dreadcircus said on the 2nd Dec, 2008

Honestly when I was growing up I never hated the police. I was thankful if they were around when trouble was brewing but then things changed for me. Many of you will have not experienced police brutality as I have because times have changed as I have myself.

In my teenage years it's no secret I was a metal head. Long dreadlocks, facial piercings, leather jackets, stud bands, back packs, army boots and aside from this look bringing me alot of flack, I WAS NEVER A TROUBLE MAKER!

and yet for most of my entire teenage years and into my early 20's I was beaten, arrested and let go several times because they got the wrong person and was even publicly humilated twice (once in footscray on my way home from school in year 10 and once by the yarra at a party at 20) Both times I was practically strip searched for no reason. I had no drugs, weapons or anything illegal the search was based on my look alone.

I have never been charged in my life and only even been to court for things people have done to me and yet every week without fail I would be stopped out of the blue and have my name taken down. One night I was even searched as I had a leather jacket on in Melb CBD because I had 3 rocket studs on each shoulder of my leather jacket. They took my jacket as it was deemed a weapon.

Another time I and 3 mates were bashed by a group of lebanese guys in a crowded Mcdonalds in Burke st Melb for no reason. After I came to with an ambulance and police everywhere we were released to go home and were bailed up in flinders lane heading home under suspicion of the bashing.. I mean ffs cmon we were taken into questioning for bashing ourselves?????

This annoyed me for so many years. I was even followed home one night by a police divy van walking alone intoxicated before they picked me up and bashed me senseless with telephone books and then left 3 towns away from my home with internal bleeding. Still no fucking crime record to this very date.

Alot of the points on alcohol and drugs are valid here and violence is a major problem. As I'm no longer looking like a metal head I am rarely even looked at by police as they think im just some average tall chick. I believe the mentality of what happened to me all those years ago still exists today. The police will always react to stereotypes within communities because they exist even if mostly not true...

I guess what pisses me off the most is the public humiliation of strip searching people and the lack of a sorry when a search turns up nothing. Hell if I had of gotten one sorry I would of been stoked as I was searched so many times and it always seemed they were mad at me for being clean.

I take drugs and drink occasionally but I think ahead enough to do it where the cops wont be and if they do search me and I have nothing then thats life as long as they are civil I have no problem. There have always been aggressive cops on the force and just as many good cops. This is a far greater problem than cops versus party goers. This is a serious problem human beings face by not taking responsibility for their actions. Peoples stupid actions in the past ruin the people who do the right thing in the present. If people in general actually worked together to solve problems and condemn idiots who ruin it for others maybe the police would be a far different organization. Until individuals take more responsibility for themselves then the masses will be targeted as all bad eggs.

Most of us know alcohol and cigs are the main beasts that rips lives apart but until people want to realistically tackle the issues that face us with these 2 known killers the other undesirable drugs that have had prectically no research done on them will remain the major target because its safer to clean up the evil stuff that we know nothing about than the stuff we know is one of the worlds largest killers.

Sad but true..

marly

marly said on the 2nd Dec, 2008

Cultivation is illegal. Use isn't. Like I said.. "use"... duh.

However they are closing many of the cafes due to issues in some of the communities.

The Brits have an equally bad drunken reputation. It's more a backpacker thing, in that regard.

well duh actually its not legal, its decriminalised.





Why do you think that junkies have to rob/bash/kill people? To get money for their fix.

Why do they do this? because drugs are illegal and therefore very expensive. They arent going to stop getting them just cause they are illegal and the authorities say not to.

So how does making drugs illegal stop drugs or the associated problems? It doesnt.

Why do people die from inducing dangerous substances such as PMA? Because drugs are illegal and the people that make them dont care and/or dont know about what they mix with them. They use whatever they can.The bottom line is money.
People dont die from ecstasy , they die from associated problems and adulterants.


So why do some people want drugs to be illegal? Because they harbour an irrational fear that if they were more socially acceptable and legal that everyone would be a junkie and civilisation as we know it would degenerate. Its not true. Alcohol and tobacco are legal but not everyone is addicted to them. Many people use drugs now without getting addicted to them, making them legal does not make them more addictive. Making them illegal just creates a stigma and makes it very difficult for people who find themselves with a drug problem to seek help aswell as clogging up courts with users and a myriad of other associated issues

dreadcircus

dreadcircus said on the 2nd Dec, 2008

Jesus there are some real uninformed people posting a load of shit here about drugs.

Zebra : Who is exactly pushing people to take these drugs that destroy lives. Remember there are many people who do hold down decent jobs, relationships etc on drugs. They earn their money for the drugs and have no need to rob people.. It's not always black and white

Lever: spot on..

all drugs were legal. people should try investigating in depth as to why they are not legal now and you will find the reasons were not because of the effects but more a lack of understanding. Nearly every illegal substance became illegal through racism. Minority groups were blamed for distributing many drugs when in actual fact they never did such things. We are talking mainly about substances here that have had next to nothing in regards to understanding them. Drugs have been demonized for many many years when in actual fact it's US that have the problems with no self control and abuse.

Alcohol was been banned and unbanned, bloody even smokes were sold to us by doctors. There is no doubt these drugs ARE illegal and we must follow the law but its very laughable for the powers that be to be so hardcore on drugs when in fact their knowledge is zilch.

Drugs can be bad like many other things if used the wrong way. Just like when somebody is depressed burying those feelings makes things worse in the long run. Same with drugs. Writing them off is completely stupid and ignorant if there really is little understanding.

The gay community showed with AIDS that education created prevention. It does not destroy the disease but it limits it. Currently there is no real way to educate humans on drugs because there is nothing to use as education except for the people who fuck up thus creating an underground of skeezy drug dealer types ruling the trade when it is just not always the case. Many people manage drug habits and live successful lives. I took drugs myself so I had an idea of what they did to me. These days I am quite educated on drugs and love sharing my thoughts on them hopefully helping others to decide their paths..

Bottom line here is the cops tho. They currently have the right to arrest people for drugs, its the law. If they were educated better as a force maybe they would handle these events with a better attitude. Hopefully even this small change from them would lead somewhere positive.

I have taken so many drugs in my life and always held down a job, never robbed people or lived on the street. change the stigma around drugs and people react differently to them.

marly

marly said on the 2nd Dec, 2008

Maybe it's being a bit too romantic to think the general public don't understand drugs.

Not everyone is an expert on every drug. But people do understand and most have experiences in one form or another. Directly or indirectly.

And it's convenient to say "drugs are everywhere!! what's the big deal?!!" but then to say "the public are scared of drugs and no one understands me!!"

Some of us just like to think we're living on the cutting edge.

And I disagree that drug pushers are like a fantasy boogeyman. Last month the was a $77 million MDA bust, last December a $51 million bust of methylene dioxy phenyl-2-propanone, and 1.34 tonnes of cocaine have been intercepted at our ports between in the last financial year.

1.34 tonnes!

Sure there's a demand. But dumping this shit on a city is not exactly timid telemarketing.

I dont think its too romantic at all. Many people believe everything they read in the daily telegraph and see on the idiot box. The media is very powerful and distorts the truth.
Noone said "drugs are everywhere whats the big deal". I cant speak for others but what Im saying is criminalising drug use doesnt work and doesnt make drugs any less available. If anything people will use them more because noone likes to be told what to do. Tell em they cant do it and they will do it just to rebel.
You mention dumping 'shit on this city' yet the fact they are illegal doesnt stop them coming. Those amounts you mentioned wouldnt even dent the surface. For every tonne you stop there more than likely thousands of tonnes that get through. The money needs to be diverted away from the the cops and into harm minimisation programmes.
Its not about being on the cutting edge, its about looking at the reality truthfully , the whole picture ,and courageously taking steps forward and making some progress for a change instead of viewing everything in black and white and staying stuck in the fucking fifties which is what people like you want for Australia. Thankfully youre a dying breed.

andrew m potts

andrew m potts said on the 2nd Dec, 2008

Here's my solution to the drugs issue-

Legalise them all. Sell them to adults in boring "No Frills" style packaging covered in warning labels and in quantities suitable for personal use. Require users to get a specific photo ID license to buy them that acts like a drivers licence in that points are taken off for anti-social or criminal behaviour under the influence. If a person goes so off the rails that they lose their license, courts can order them into a mandatory drug treatment program, or if the crime is serious enough, a custodial term in a drug treatment facility as part of their prison sentence. As part of the process of getting the licence, have a doctor or drugs counsellor explain the health risks and dangers with the drugs they wish to access and what to do in emergency situations.

For recreational drugs, sell them through purpose specific shop fronts that also offer health information and referral to drug counselling services. For drugs of chronic addiction, provide them to users through a prescription program like the one that has been operating successfully in Switzerland for a decade and was just made a permanent part of the Swiss system thanks to a successful national referendum.

On-sale to minors or non-licenced users would remain strictly illegal as would driving under the influence, and public intoxication or nuisance behaviour could attract a fine.
People who turn up to work under the influence would be treated in the same way that people who turn up to work drunk are treated by employers now.

Legalising drugs and selling them at a reasonable price will massively reduce drug related thefts, will bankrupt organised crime, and will remove the incentives for police and other officials to engage in corrupt behaviour.

Moreover it will free up police resources to more effectively police other categories of crime and to do the sort of intensive community policing that can really effect change in abusive relationships and in troubled communities.

Legalising drugs will return billions of dollars to the legitimate economy, and stop billions of dollars from flowing out of the country that often end up in the hands of terrorist groups, rebel armies and rogue states.

It will also create thousands of jobs and raise billions of dollars in revenue that Governments can put into drug treatment programs without waiting lists, into diversionary activities to keep young people away from drugs in the first place, and into the general health system for the benefit of us all.

Keeping drugs illegal has shown no ability to keep drugs out of the hands of minors, or individuals with a predisposition to addiction or mental illness. If we cant even keep drugs out of our jails, how do we expect to keep them out of our playgrounds?

I think after gay equality and euthanasia, this is going to be the next big issue to be debated in Western democracies and its not going to be an insurmountable one to win- there is already a 10,000 strong international lobby comprised of current and former law enforcement officials arguing this case called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Google them or put that name into YouTube to find out more.

marly

marly said on the 3rd Dec, 2008

Here's my solution to the drugs issue-

Legalise them all. Sell them to adults in boring "No Frills" style packaging covered in warning labels and in quantities suitable for personal use. Require users to get a specific photo ID license to buy them that acts like a drivers licence in that points are taken off for anti-social or criminal behaviour under the influence. If a person goes so off the rails that they lose their license, courts can order them into a mandatory drug treatment program, or if the crime is serious enough, a custodial term in a drug treatment facility as part of their prison sentence. As part of the process of getting the licence, have a doctor or drugs counsellor explain the health risks and dangers with the drugs they wish to access and what to do in emergency situations.

For recreational drugs, sell them through purpose specific shop fronts that also offer health information and referral to drug counselling services. For drugs of chronic addiction, provide them to users through a prescription program like the one that has been operating successfully in Switzerland for a decade and was just made a permanent part of the Swiss system thanks to a successful national referendum.

On-sale to minors or non-licenced users would remain strictly illegal as would driving under the influence, and public intoxication or nuisance behaviour could attract a fine.
People who turn up to work under the influence would be treated in the same way that people who turn up to work drunk are treated by employers now.

Legalising drugs and selling them at a reasonable price will massively reduce drug related thefts, will bankrupt organised crime, and will remove the incentives for police and other officials to engage in corrupt behaviour.

Moreover it will free up police resources to more effectively police other categories of crime and to do the sort of intensive community policing that can really effect change in abusive relationships and in troubled communities.

Legalising drugs will return billions of dollars to the legitimate economy, and stop billions of dollars from flowing out of the country that often end up in the hands of terrorist groups, rebel armies and rogue states.

It will also create thousands of jobs and raise billions of dollars in revenue that Governments can put into drug treatment programs without waiting lists, into diversionary activities to keep young people away from drugs in the first place, and into the general health system for the benefit of us all.

Keeping drugs illegal has shown no ability to keep drugs out of the hands of minors, or individuals with a predisposition to addiction or mental illness. If we cant even keep drugs out of our jails, how do we expect to keep them out of our playgrounds?

I think after gay equality and euthanasia, this is going to be the next big issue to be debated in Western democracies and its not going to be an insurmountable one to win- there is already a 10,000 strong international lobby comprised of current and former law enforcement officials arguing this case called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Google them or put that name into YouTube to find out more.

I like what I hear, youre brilliant andrew. :)

ANDREW M POTTS FOR PRIME MINISTER

dreadcircus

dreadcircus said on the 3rd Dec, 2008

Here's my solution to the drugs issue-

Legalise them all. Sell them to adults in boring "No Frills" style packaging covered in warning labels and in quantities suitable for personal use. Require users to get a specific photo ID license to buy them that acts like a drivers licence in that points are taken off for anti-social or criminal behaviour under the influence. If a person goes so off the rails that they lose their license, courts can order them into a mandatory drug treatment program, or if the crime is serious enough, a custodial term in a drug treatment facility as part of their prison sentence. As part of the process of getting the licence, have a doctor or drugs counsellor explain the health risks and dangers with the drugs they wish to access and what to do in emergency situations.

For recreational drugs, sell them through purpose specific shop fronts that also offer health information and referral to drug counselling services. For drugs of chronic addiction, provide them to users through a prescription program like the one that has been operating successfully in Switzerland for a decade and was just made a permanent part of the Swiss system thanks to a successful national referendum.

On-sale to minors or non-licenced users would remain strictly illegal as would driving under the influence, and public intoxication or nuisance behaviour could attract a fine.
People who turn up to work under the influence would be treated in the same way that people who turn up to work drunk are treated by employers now.

Legalising drugs and selling them at a reasonable price will massively reduce drug related thefts, will bankrupt organised crime, and will remove the incentives for police and other officials to engage in corrupt behaviour.

Moreover it will free up police resources to more effectively police other categories of crime and to do the sort of intensive community policing that can really effect change in abusive relationships and in troubled communities.

Legalising drugs will return billions of dollars to the legitimate economy, and stop billions of dollars from flowing out of the country that often end up in the hands of terrorist groups, rebel armies and rogue states.

It will also create thousands of jobs and raise billions of dollars in revenue that Governments can put into drug treatment programs without waiting lists, into diversionary activities to keep young people away from drugs in the first place, and into the general health system for the benefit of us all.

Keeping drugs illegal has shown no ability to keep drugs out of the hands of minors, or individuals with a predisposition to addiction or mental illness. If we cant even keep drugs out of our jails, how do we expect to keep them out of our playgrounds?

I think after gay equality and euthanasia, this is going to be the next big issue to be debated in Western democracies and its not going to be an insurmountable one to win- there is already a 10,000 strong international lobby comprised of current and former law enforcement officials arguing this case called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Google them or put that name into YouTube to find out more.

You have my vote on this!!! Well thought out, very impressed :)

spikey

spikey said on the 3rd Dec, 2008

Here's my solution to the drugs issue-

Legalise them all. Sell them to adults in boring "No Frills" style packaging covered in warning labels and in quantities suitable for personal use. Require users to get a specific photo ID license to buy them that acts like a drivers licence in that points are taken off for anti-social or criminal behaviour under the influence. If a person goes so off the rails that they lose their license, courts can order them into a mandatory drug treatment program, or if the crime is serious enough, a custodial term in a drug treatment facility as part of their prison sentence. As part of the process of getting the licence, have a doctor or drugs counsellor explain the health risks and dangers with the drugs they wish to access and what to do in emergency situations.

For recreational drugs, sell them through purpose specific shop fronts that also offer health information and referral to drug counselling services. For drugs of chronic addiction, provide them to users through a prescription program like the one that has been operating successfully in Switzerland for a decade and was just made a permanent part of the Swiss system thanks to a successful national referendum.

On-sale to minors or non-licenced users would remain strictly illegal as would driving under the influence, and public intoxication or nuisance behaviour could attract a fine.
People who turn up to work under the influence would be treated in the same way that people who turn up to work drunk are treated by employers now.

Legalising drugs and selling them at a reasonable price will massively reduce drug related thefts, will bankrupt organised crime, and will remove the incentives for police and other officials to engage in corrupt behaviour.

Moreover it will free up police resources to more effectively police other categories of crime and to do the sort of intensive community policing that can really effect change in abusive relationships and in troubled communities.

Legalising drugs will return billions of dollars to the legitimate economy, and stop billions of dollars from flowing out of the country that often end up in the hands of terrorist groups, rebel armies and rogue states.

It will also create thousands of jobs and raise billions of dollars in revenue that Governments can put into drug treatment programs without waiting lists, into diversionary activities to keep young people away from drugs in the first place, and into the general health system for the benefit of us all.

Keeping drugs illegal has shown no ability to keep drugs out of the hands of minors, or individuals with a predisposition to addiction or mental illness. If we cant even keep drugs out of our jails, how do we expect to keep them out of our playgrounds?

I think after gay equality and euthanasia, this is going to be the next big issue to be debated in Western democracies and its not going to be an insurmountable one to win- there is already a 10,000 strong international lobby comprised of current and former law enforcement officials arguing this case called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Google them or put that name into YouTube to find out more.

Took the words right out of my mouth! Nicely put Andrew :)

andrew m potts

andrew m potts said on the 3rd Dec, 2008

If $16million of cocaine equates to an estimated $18.7 million in health and social costs, good luck with your fantasy.

Really, how unbalanced is all this? A little pragmatism helps. Or maybe this is just a big joke to the party people.

I'd treat that figure very suspiciously. Was it perhaps derived in a similar manner to when police raid cannabis plantations, way the plants roots and all and then cost the whole crop at buds price? Cocaine is one of the least used drugs in Australia and most of those who use it do so very occasionally- the best way to avoid problems. Where Cocaine has mostly presented as a problem drug is where it has been used by heroin addicts during heroin droughts- used intravenously cocaine use can escalate even faster than smack.

Have you ever looked at the figures for the health costs of medicinal drugs? The side effects of many prescription drugs have enormous health costs which require the administering of other drugs to treat them. The misuse of medical drugs kills many more people in this country than most of the illegal drugs do, but you won't hear those numbers quoted very often.

Panic about drug legalisation resulting in the end of society as we know it ignores the fact that they are available everywhere right now (even in our jails) and almost all the drugs used today were once legal in this country- during the 19th and early 20th century, most patent medicines in the West were derived from tinctures of opium, cocaine or marijuana, and the use of these drugs was even promoted by the anti-alcohol temperance movement as better alternatives to the demon drink. They were commonly misused for recreational purposes yet there was no corruption linked to the trade and no vast criminal underworld involved in their supply. You didn't even need a prescription for these medicines- you could buy them from the corner shop or even through the mail! In Australia you could even buy manufactured marijuana cigarettes (promoted as being to alleviate the symptoms of asthma but often smoked recreationally).

Today Police routinely admit that MDMA has a calming effect on rates of stranger violence, yet this drug that probably accounts for the least deaths per capita of all the chemical drugs is more illegal by weight in NSW than Heroin.

If anyone's interested I wrote an article on this topic for New Matilda last year- http://newmatilda.com/2007/09/19/legalise-it

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