Gary Burns Vs Bruno

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Gay activist Gary Burns, well known for his lawsuits against John Laws, Steve Price, Jeff Kennett and Channel Nine, now has Sacha Baron Cohen in his sights. Tonight Burns appeared on Channel Seven’s Today Tonight talking about the damage that he believes the film is doing to the image of gay people.

“I think the guy’s just a poonce,” said Gary Burns. “He walks around pigeonholing and stereotyping gay men to be viewed as lisping mincing and most of us are everyday Joe Blows with the same aspirations and dreams as everybody else. I think the imagery that he portrays will mean that lay people sitting at home will think ‘that’s what poofs all are, that we’re all like him’, and we’re not all like him.”

“Listen, when the gay community takes money from the state government to portray itself in stereotypical terms, then any person can do whatever they wish,” says Piers Ackerman, columnist from the Daily Telegraph. “We in Sydney have an annual Mardi Gras Parade and we have ranks and ranks of gay men and … women marching up and down Oxford Street with feathers strapped to their backsides or dressed as nuns or dressed as women or lifeguards or whatever… and if this isn’t stereotyping or high camp behaviour then I don’t know what is… Stereotypes actually do come from somewhere. They’re not a creation.”

“I am not dressed as Dolly Parton, I wear a suit,” says Burns. “I believe it’s important that gay men are portrayed as ordinary everyday people… People can’t just parade around and say it’s satire… for every reaction there’s a re-action.”

Gary told Same Same this morning that he was not speaking on behalf of the gay community. “Gary Burns only speaks for and on the behalf of himself….A number of homosexual men seem to be thinking Mr Burns is speaking on their behalf without permission. In all Mr Burns legal matters he has taken complaints as a single complainant.”

Gary confirmed that he had not seen the movie, and probably wouldn’t be seeing it.

View footage of the Today Tonight episode here:

Photos of the Bruno red carpet premiere are here.

Check out the many faces of Bruno here.

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zebra-stripes said on the 6th Jul, 2009

so I guess calling The Convicts saboteurs and cowardly is also lynching

maybe you lot should set a better example

not to mention calling people c*nts

Urban

Urban said on the 6th Jul, 2009

"Demonising"? (A word you no doubt learnt from ACON who are so opposed to demonising that marvellous drug crystal meth) No. It is Gary Burns who has been demonised here, no one else. I have defended him and make no apologies for calling the misleading inflammatory article gutter journalism. That’s not ‘demonising’ anyone, it’s calling a spade a spade.

You might have to learn that your opinion is merely that, not the queer Qur'an. No one is more guilty than you for obstructively shouting down anyone not sharing your point of view. A prime example exists on the ACON: A Closer Look forum, on which only the other day I deleted many of my ripostes to your attacks so as to expose your remaining comments (all just bitching about nothing repetitively - what do you get for this, a couple of casks of chardy?).

You are, in any case, opining entirely off topic: the thread is not about Bruno per se but purportedly about Burns v Bruno, according to the title (and as there is no Burns v Bruno, you are as ususal getting your knickers in a twist over nothing).

I didn’t see any leading article goading people to have a go at The Convicts - it was yet another one leading SS posters to have a go at Burns (by the same author) and cheering on The Convicts in line with the Star Observer in its petty vindictive campaign against Burns, as usual on behalf of prime advertiser ACON in its typically characteristic grab to discredit Burns and so snatch away yet another grass roots initiative in favour of something to boost its own PR spin. As it was, the token few defenders of Burns posting on SS can hardly amount to a ‘lynching’ of The Convicts as the said 2 articles were clearly set up to do of Burns, resulting as maliciously intended.

This whole thing amounts to nothing more than small town gutter politicking. Shame on SS for selling its integrity to this appalling ‘establishment’ clique. This entire anti-Burns campaign - all ultimately on behalf of the despicable ACON - is more discriminatory and hatred inspired than The Footy Show and Bruno combined, and not very skilfully veiled either.

You’ll need to do better than that, Zebra, to manipulate this one as long as I am watching.

not to mention calling people c*nts

Not I, little man. Try again.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 6th Jul, 2009

Jesus, what a bunch of fucking losers. So what does this red cross in the top right-hand corner do?

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 6th Jul, 2009

SOME of us also believe that Gary Burns has a right to express a personal opinion without having ten bales of shit dumped on him.

QUOTE]

Yet you don't seem to think that others deserve the same respect, i.e. the Convicts.

zebra-stripes said on the 6th Jul, 2009

That's a great way to lose what respect people might have for your opinions.

naughtylion

naughtylion said on the 6th Jul, 2009

and who might they be? ;)

Please explain said on the 6th Jul, 2009

SOME of us also believe that Gary Burns has a right to express a personal opinion without having ten bales of shit dumped on him.

QUOTE]

Yet you don't seem to think that others deserve the same respect, i.e. the Convicts.

Give the boy the Award.

You hit the nail right on the head there Dsquare.

No-one is allowed to have a personal opinion that differs from theirs. If you do you will be chastised, if you come back , you will be abused, if you keep coming back you get called a troll /uneducated and the list goes on.

So if you do get a reply dont take it to heart. Everyone else has learnt not to.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 6th Jul, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QggLtP2yUkI

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 6th Jul, 2009

So if you do get a reply dont take it to heart. Everyone else has learnt not to.

Oh don't worry. I've read enough of what the two sock puppets have written to not take either of them seriously. If anything I intend to have a bit of fun with them.

Please explain said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Then you are welcome :)

Enjoy.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 7th Jul, 2009

That is SUCH a Samantha thing to say... :D

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

LOLZ, well, at least you're attacking me now instead of GB, it's actually quite hurtful to be slagged off by so many nameless trolls just for expressing an opinion. Luckily, you're all so easily distracted...(Ooooh, look, a SHINY thing....it's MINE!!!)

Now, like I said, I wonder if you'd be telling negroes to 'get a sense of humour' and 'just shut the fuck up' if Cohen came up with a character called 'Sambo' who walked around eating watermelon and spoke like, "Yessum, Misser Boss, Sir, I sho' is some uppity niggra"?

zebra-stripes said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Oh the irony of you using a Bruno-style stereotype vindictively.

Thankfully, Bruno does it to be funny and entertaining, not out of hate.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Oh the irony of one who attacks a good man anonymously just for having an opinion, talking about hate.

paultoppy

paultoppy said on the 7th Jul, 2009

man, this chat is a fuckin circus

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 7th Jul, 2009

True. It's lucky we've got the two clowns for comic relief.

Urban

Urban said on the 7th Jul, 2009

SOME of us also believe that Gary Burns has a right to express a personal opinion without having ten bales of shit dumped on him.

Yet you don't seem to think that others deserve the same respect, i.e. the Convicts.

Oh The Convicts were just being ACON sock puppets (ACON paid them, that’s no secret, it's on record). In fact glove puppets would be more appropriate, seeing as ACON’s hand was up their arses to shaft Burns’ ADB case. The Convicts, in any case, proved incapable of articulating a single ‘opinion’ between them in their passing 5 mins of TV fame. Meanwhile if The Convicts are ACON glove puppets, WTF are you, a Convicts glove puppet? Pft.

I also didn’t see any leading article goading people to have a go at The Convicts - it was yet another one leading SS posters to have a go at Burns (by the same author) and cheering on The Convicts in line with the Star Observer in its petty vindictive campaign against Burns, as usual on behalf of prime advertiser/meal ticket ACON in its typically characteristic grab to discredit Burns and so snatch away yet another grass roots initiative in favour of something to boost its own dodgy PR spin. Nothing more than small town gutter politics, so don't come the 'entitled to an opinion' line here, dear.

There’s a difference between a legitimate, record holding gay activist who single-handedly fights for and gets nationally acclaimable ADB results that benefit our gay rights record... and a bunch of amateur, fame-starved ship-in-the-night poofs that kick a ball around some weekends and will opportunistically shaft their very own for a flash of limelight and a quick dip into the ACON (public purse) kitty - did we see anyone asking The Convicts to comment on Bruno?

Every such peripheral ACON/Star Observer rooted attempt to witch hunt Gary Burns, as this is, will, ultimately, backfire.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Before I hit that little red cross again for the day, a couple of final thoughts.

The Today Tonight program asked GB to comment on Sacha Baron Cohen's satirical character Bruno. He spoke as Gary Burns and not on the behalf of the homosexual community. The five-minute piece did not say he was a "Gay Activist" or was speaking on behalf of homosexuals in general. He has never called for the banning of this movie. He expressed a view, shared by others, that Bruno only feeds homophobia in the same way as a "Sambo" character would be offensive, or a satirical character of a woman that portrayed all women in general as "whores' would. In future if media like this intend to set Burns up, implicitly condemning him as a man without a sense of humour they might at least contact him first and give him a chance to comment.

Articles like this, and the acid comments about Burns that follow, may be funniest thing for some of you but for a man like GB who who has been bashed three times and nearly murdered simply because he is a homosexual it is less amusing; it is the reason he continues to take a stand, even among all the derision from some of his own 'community.'

zebra-stripes said on the 7th Jul, 2009

I don't get the black "Sambo" reference. Sure Cohen hasn't played a black man. But Borat and Ali G play exactly the same race card.

Urban

Urban said on the 7th Jul, 2009

You don't get much at all Zebra, that's not news - just keep holdng that phone up to your shell-like, ya never know, something might come eventually darl.;)

Indeed. It’s an infantile hatred of the generation who fought for the rights of these clueless bints to enjoy being legally gay today, which they just take for granted. That's the appreciation they show: Shitting on their providers.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Indeed. It�s an infantile hatred of the generation who fought for the rights of these clueless bints to enjoy being legally gay today, which they just take for granted. That's the appreciation they show: Shitting on their providers.

your like one of those toys where you pull the string and the same old crap keeps on coming out..

yawn..

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Really Urban, your paranoid fantasies and grandiose conspiracy theories really are getting a bit tired. I think it’s time Gary called in the script writers and got you some new material. Besides, as you have so correctly pointed out previously, we will just have to wait until the Convicts face the Royal Commission into their treasonous behaviour before we get to the bottom of that sordid little episode.

Now, back to the topic at hand, is Garry Burrrns the new gay Germaine Greer?

Urban

Urban said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Or better still, time ACON/Convicts/SSO called in the scriptwriters and got some material (ANY material) which isn’t so blithely obvious.

There is nothing paranoid, fantastic or grandiose about spelling out ACON’s taxpayer-funded grassroots-shafting agenda – the org’s reputation precedes its ongoing foul play and nothing I'm saying hasn't already been proven, as I’m sure you know.

Now, back to the topic at hand

If you want to ‘get back to topic’, I suggest you observe the redundant title of the article this forum runs from : ‘Burns v Bruno’. There never has been any ‘Burns v Bruno’ (as repeatedly pointed out on here if you could but read) and therefore this is nothing more than a Burns witch hunt - and who could possibly be behind such a thing? Those who have sought to discredit him in an attempt to cheaply boost their own grubby profiles.

No it’s not anybody’s ‘conspiracy theories’ that are ‘getting a bit tired’, it’s the pathetic small town gutter politicking that the likes of you subscribe to.

In fact, honey, after only 14 posts YOU are ' getting a bit tired'.

Urban

Urban said on the 7th Jul, 2009

You’re like one of those squeaky dog toys that ...well, SFA comes out of - just the occasional meaningless squeak (except I can spell).

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 7th Jul, 2009

for a second there i thought i heard something .. :rolleyes:
shrug

Urban

Urban said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Is that a plastic beef bone stuck up your arse or are you actually trying to articulate something? Sorry, but the squeaks are indecipherable. Did you ever think of taking up basic literacy? Or do you just get by in life on your crappy hairdo and overdone lighting? (Or do you not get by in life at all, hence your nauseating presence here?)

I mean:

"My penis is not a cat toy - Rick And Steve

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myspace.com/dizzygotheca - bitter sweet - electronic
myspace.com/masterandstryker - Gay - Biker - House Music"

C'mmon.

Are you anything at all but a fart in Cyberspace?

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Stereotypes only have power if you believe in them.

zebra-stripes said on the 7th Jul, 2009

whoa Ash you've grown muscles

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 7th Jul, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZdn2zfpuQU

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 7th Jul, 2009

I posted the above clip as a study in stereotypes. A Vietnamese guy taking off an African-American dude & even parodying his own Vietnamese voice. Is this offensive? Can we draw parralels between this clip & Bruno/Sacha Baron Cohen?

Urban

Urban said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Seeing as Bruno/Sacha Baron Cohen is produced for an infinitely wider market (hence able to perpetuate infinitely more harm) I think there is little room for comparison.

But Asherbella is the replacement pic an actual (recent) one of yourself? (If so, I'll be your friend and will immediately change all of my life views to whatever you like).

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

The only parallel I see is that both the character above and Cohen are both bad and irritating comics, Asherbella.

Most reasonable people feel that stereotyping is unfair because the individual is denied and it leads to dangerous and incorrect generalisations. It allows no individuality, critical judgment, moral values (or lack of), intelligence, talents and personal record. It leads to unfair discrimination. People with negative views of gay, lesbian, and transgender people often use stereotypes about them to justify their attacks. Bruno has already been used by Akerman for his brand of gay bashing. Sometimes, it has also fueled violence against GLBQT. Sterotyping dehumanises the subject, making an act of violence easier because the victim is no longer a person, but merely a 'thing.' It's wrong when its applied to women, the disabled, Arabs and Muslims ("men of middle eastern appearance"), Asians or other Ethnic groups and it's wrong when it's applied to ME.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Is that a plastic beef bone stuck up your arse or are you actually trying to articulate something? Sorry, but the squeaks are indecipherable. Did you ever think of taking up basic literacy? Or do you just get by in life on your crappy hairdo and overdone lighting? (Or do you not get by in life at all, hence your nauseating presence here?)

Are you anything at all but a fart in Cyberspace?

oh dear.. :D

i contribute much more on here than you and your little crusade could ever.. but because this has nothing to do with your massive ego or limp penis you just dont get it!

you and shane really are the perfect couple.. few quips and you have nothing but really weak personal attacks..

keep trying princess, you'll be a man one day..

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Shayne, I clicked on the link in one of your posts to your "artwork". As someone who has such a problem with stereotypes, do you not have a problem with perpetuating the stereotype that the only thing gay men are interested in is dicks?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

LOLZ, I you really DID make me LOL! I make no apology that male nudes have penises. It's an interest for me because I find the male form quite beautiful. However sensual is not always sexual and naked is not always nude, my studies are of a natural, not a sexual, form. If you see something salacious in the male nude, the issue is yours, I can't help what you see.

Btw., I also paint clad males, like the first image on that page, and LOTS of landscapes too, but I guess you didn't make it past the dicks.

Thanks. :rolleyes:

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 7th Jul, 2009

LOLZ, I you really DID make me LOL! I make no apology that male nudes have penises. It's an interest for me because I find the male form quite beautiful. However sensual is not always sexual and naked is not always nude, my studies are of a natural, not a sexual, form. If you see something salacious in the male nude, the issue is yours, I can't help what you see.

Btw., I also paint clad males, like the first image on that page, and LOTS of landscapes too, but I guess you didn't make it past the dicks.

Thanks. :rolleyes:

Fair enough. But what about the bogans out there who don�t appreciate the aesthetic charm of the male nude and walk away thinking �yeah, I knew all fags thought about was cock?� They�re the ones who breed homophobia in our schools. I'm just worried about the next generation, trying to come to terms with their sexuality in a hostile, homophobic atmosphere.

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 7th Jul, 2009

P.S. I think it's cute the way you try and claim the fact that someone was bored enough after the first page to not go any further as a victory.

Please explain said on the 7th Jul, 2009

oh dear.. :D

i contribute much more on here than you and your little crusade could ever.. but because this has nothing to do with your massive ego or limp penis you just dont get it!

you and shane really are the perfect couple.. few quips and you have nothing but really weak personal attacks..

keep trying princess, you'll be a man one day..

Failed crusade !

been what 8 months ? and they haven't got anywhere except to stay on their merry go round round round round round round..........................

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

LOLZ again. Um, I think most gay men do like cock, its not a stereotype. Just like Muslims worship Allah aint 'a stereotype.' Doesn't mean its all we think about though. But just sometimes, and looking at some of the posts here, I wonder if its all gay men have in common. :(

'Stereotype' is like Bruno and his, 'hey look at me, I'm a big fairy."

Urban

Urban said on the 7th Jul, 2009

.. but because this has nothing to do with your massive ego or limp penis you just dont get it!

.. few quips and you have nothing but really weak personal attacks..

keep trying princess, you'll be a man one day..

Was already last time I looked. What are you, Bamy Rambo? But "your limp penis"??? Sheesh, I suppose I could joint you on that level and talk about your limp brain and face like a slapped arse. (And hey babe, there are treatments for that alopecia you know.) If making reference to 'quips and personal attacks': Just read your own bilge (ex above). I rest my case. If that's what the likes of you 'contribute' to SS, it's no small wonder it's in this state. And this is how the ACON/Convicts camp fights their battles. With an IQ of subzero and a vocabulary of four or five profane spellings. “My penis is not a cat toy”? Your penis is apparently your most brain cell abundant part. Grubby little trollop. Sounds like you’ve been using ACON’s ‘how to use crystal meth’ pamphlet – I can see they’re really ‘helping’ the community.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Why is it so hard to laugh at the laughable?
All this academic posing & analysis of a comedic character is making me tired...
I think Bruno is funny.
Me finding Bruno funny is not up for debate. I won't be challenged on what I find funny. He pushes boundaries with the absurd. I don't see that as damaging. I don't identify with Bruno, nor do I see aspects of Bruno inside me: but he does have entertainment value and there are messages in the movie that are evident if you just relax & accept Bruno at face value. This value should be taken in the spirit of humour....if you treat all representation of gay media as a crusade that has to be corrected or dissected, you'll forever be bogged down in pseudo-homo political shit & miss the point: we laugh at Bruno because Bruno confronts heterosexuals with behaviours that they find intimidating. Heteros should find the film confronting: gays should automatically get the joke & laugh accordingly....

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Funny, once again the story seems to have made most others news media except the Star this week.

"For 30 years we have given gay Sydney, and gay Australia, a voice — a privilege we are immensely proud of." Well, except for people like Burns and and me, anyway. :)

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 7th Jul, 2009

I think Burns is a hard worker.
I respect Burns for his courage & his voice.
I admire Burns for confronting injustice.
I think Burns is a good man for donating his pay-outs back to the community upon winning a case.
What's not to like about Gary Burns?
He takes notice. He takes action. All by himself and often times with no help.
I have in the past (2008) nominated Gary Burns as Australian of the Year but the Australia Day Council has responded saying 'Ashley, Gary represents an agenda, not the Australian people or embodies Aussie values'. WTF???? Aussie values tend historically to favour the underdog, to celebrate the anti-authoritarian spirit (Waltzing Matilda) & to venerate the larrikin spirit. Gary is an underdog, Gary has an anti-authoritarian spirit & he certainly can be a larrikin: so by their own criteria Gary is a true Aussie. But according to them he has a gay agenda; which does not reflect all Australians (their words not mine). FACT: Australia has GAY citizens and the *agenda* here is a FAIR GO which is very Australian. The Australia Day Council is homophobic!

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Thanks for saying those things about Gary Burns, asher, it's nice to see a little kindness in these forums. I don't think GB is into receiving awards anyway, he seems to be fixed on his purpose and achieves that selflessly. I know he has turned down accolades from many organisations, including this site.

Interesting point from the Oz Day Council. By that reasoning, Lee Kernaghan was a worthy recipient in 08 because we all love cuntry music, Dr Fiona Wood was worthy in 05 because we all need skin grafts, Steve Waugh won in 04 because all Australians love cricket, and Archbishop Peter Hollingworth won his because we're all Xians and gawd knows we all need to cover for paedophiles. Bless 'em.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Thanks for saying those things about Gary Burns, asher, it's nice to see a little kindness in these forums. I don't think GB is into receiving awards anyway, he seems to be fixed on his purpose and achieves that selflessly. I know he has turned down accolades from many organisations, including this site.

Interesting point from the Oz Day Council. By that reasoning, Lee Kernaghan was a worthy recipient in 08 because we all love cuntry music, Dr Fiona Wood was worthy in 05 because we all need skin grafts, Steve Waugh won in 04 because all Australians love cricket, and Archbishop Peter Hollingworth won his because we're all Xians and gawd knows we all need to cover for paedophiles. Bless 'em.
Dame Joan Sutherland is a former Australian of the Year.
Do all Australians know who Lucia DeLamimoor was? No. Do all Aussies identify with opera? No. What *values* does Joan embody? Moving to Switzerland & living as a hermit? How is shunning the Australian people & staying away from Australia for 32 years qualify as an Aussie trait? Hmmmmm?;)

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Dame Joan Sutherland is a former Australian of the Year.
Do all Australians know who Lucia DeLamimoor was? No. Do all Aussies identify with opera? No. What *values* does Joan embody? Moving to Switzerland & living as a hermit? How is shunning the Australian people & staying away from Australia for 32 years qualify as an Aussie trait? Hmmmmm?;)

Moving to Switzerland & living as a hermit? Are you sure? I could have SWORN I saw Lucia on these forums doing her mad woman thing.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 7th Jul, 2009

Joan did a HUGE 'retirement' concert in 1990 at the Sydney Opera House and then PM Bob Hawke gave her a bouquet of flowers after her performance - she said to him 'A little too late, don't you think?' Bitch! Her husband Richard Bonner said that Australia is like a muddy pool of nothingness - so I suppose she feels the same way....

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

I think Burns is a hard worker.
I respect Burns for his courage & his voice.
I admire Burns for confronting injustice.
I think Burns is a good man for donating his pay-outs back to the community upon winning a case.
What's not to like about Gary Burns?
He takes notice. He takes action. All by himself and often times with no help.
I have in the past (2008) nominated Gary Burns as Australian of the Year but the Australia Day Council has responded saying 'Ashley, Gary represents an agenda, not the Australian people or embodies Aussie values'. WTF???? Aussie values tend historically to favour the underdog, to celebrate the anti-authoritarian spirit (Waltzing Matilda) & to venerate the larrikin spirit. Gary is an underdog, Gary has an anti-authoritarian spirit & he certainly can be a larrikin: so by their own criteria Gary is a true Aussie. But according to them he has a gay agenda; which does not reflect all Australians (their words not mine). FACT: Australia has GAY citizens and the *agenda* here is a FAIR GO which is very Australian. The Australia Day Council is homophobic!

Congratulations Asherbella you have joined the ranks of the other 2 trolls. Actually with usual off handed comment from 1 of the trolls about skin grafts you have all lowered yourselves to low life bacteria.

Check the site -

http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/

and read this under how are the recipients chosen -

Selection panels also look at:

Demonstrated excellence in their field
Significant contribution to the Australian community and nation
An inspirational role model for the Australian community

Now absolutely no offence to Gary who is a hard worker as you say and I also dont understand some of the choices like country and western/opera singers

but Gary and the trolls constantly tell us that Gary does not represent the Gay Community so if he doesnt then he certainly is not representing the Australian Community. The various winners have represented Australia in some way or if a Dr have done something to better our Australian life.

Gary says he does this for his own beliefs.

As for the comment about them being homophobic , I am sure there are plenty of Jewish , Asian , Italians etc who have been nominated a number of times but did not make so are they anti-Jewish etc ?

Your criteria on Gary certainly does not equate to what they are after for Australian of the Year. You have your view on this but others have theirs as well.
Maybe if Gary did become a spokesperson for the Gay Community then your criteria may be valid. Till then.

Urban

Urban said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Gary Burns’ hard work has certainly done something to better our way of Australian gay life – there are plenty of radio stations now very reluctant to air homophobic content, so we enjoy that acquired protection thanks to him. There are parallels underway with television content and Mr Kennett’s camp will be extra cagey about firing off comparisons between gays and various low life perverts.

Gary Burns has demonstrated excellence in his field like no other of his kind. Burns’ contribution to the Australian community is infinitely greater than any of the country and western/opera singers and others listed on that site.

Burns has made a significant contribution to the Australian community (rmember, the maistream learns from his actions).

Burns is especially inspirational.

There's a really bad case of queer tall poppy syndrome on this thread.

(Oh and Oldie, if you must refer to me as a 'forum troll' WTF does that make you? You don't have any less number of posts. In fact many others have ten or more times the number of posts as myself, so let me just politely suggest that you go stick your insults where the sun don't shine.

paultoppy

paultoppy said on the 8th Jul, 2009

the tirades in this chat do nothing but reinforce stereotypes of gay guys

the more you carry on about it, the wors you make it for ur selves

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

The point, Oldie was that Burns does not accept medals and awards etc. He works for his beliefs regardless of whether we like or loathe him. And the awards have as much cred as a Logie anyway, even Stevie got one. And that if we owe him anything, it is a little respect, certainly more respect than some of the snipers on this site, or the writers who want to create a false 'Burns vs. Bruno' scenario.

The rest was a little humour. Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

the tirades in this chat do nothing but reinforce stereotypes of gay guys

the more you carry on about it, the wors you make it for ur selves

the tirades in this chat confirm the nature of SOME of those who live in online forums, angry, bored and with more issues than the Sydney Morning Herald. I will not be wasting another day here.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25742204-5000117,00.html

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Well said.

Now lets see how the you know who's pick that apart.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

what you don't like your own medicine right back at you??? and yet this is exactly how you have treated ANYONE who disagrees with you, without giving it a second thought..

anything you say washes straight off my back sweetheart.. :D

but the unfortunate truth is that you are a gutless piece of trash who has nothing better to do with their life than troll public forums all day insulting people. It's pretty sad that a man your age has to resort to this.

don't like what i contribute? feel free to leave any time.. :rolleyes:

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

i wish i could frame that one... :D

Urban

Urban said on the 8th Jul, 2009

but the unfortunate truth is that you are a gutless piece of trash who has nothing better to do with their life than troll public forums all day insulting people.

So like WTF are you doing right now?

And I think the following data pretty much demonstrates which one of us spends most of our life on here:

hazyinseptember Posts: 1,868
Urban Posts: 452

When in glass houses, dearie. (Some of us actually get out too - and, like work and have lives, you should try it one day).

I know you like to dream that you’re giving the likes of myself doses of our ‘own medicine’ with your bilge, but dream on darl – you’ll never have the grey matter to truly do that, as is clearly evident on most of your couple of thousand approx posts of drivel. See, you actually need a point to make before you can come close, a mere string ocommon abuse alone simply won't cut it I'm afraid.

(And while you're still on here pathetically racking your empty noddle for some inevitably mundane catty riposte to this riposte, I'll be earning my dinner, working - look that word up in the dictionary)

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Gary Burns� hard work has certainly done something to better our way of Australian gay life � there are plenty of radio stations now very reluctant to air homophobic content, so we enjoy that acquired protection thanks to him. There are parallels underway with television content and Mr Kennett�s camp will be extra cagey about firing off comparisons between gays and various low life perverts.

Gary Burns has demonstrated excellence in his field like no other of his kind. Burns� contribution to the Australian community is infinitely greater than any of the country and western/opera singers and others listed on that site.

Burns has made a significant contribution to the Australian community (rmember, the maistream learns from his actions).

Burns is especially inspirational.

There's a really bad case of queer tall poppy syndrome on this thread.

(Oh and Oldie, if you must refer to me as a 'forum troll' WTF does that make you? You don't have any less number of posts. In fact many others have ten or more times the number of posts as myself, so let me just politely suggest that you go stick your insults where the sun don't shine.

As my post stated their are different view points . You have yours and I/we have
ours. As for me calling you a troll...........that was just put there to make you bite as you did. I just thought for a second would stoop to your lows of name calling. Seems
you didnt like it ............poor possums.

Tall poppy syndrome ? not really. I dont think Gary is in that league yet. Getting there yes but remember he is not doing this for the gay community so it does seem likes its his own personal agenda. Absolutely nothing wrong with that but doesnt make him worthy of Australian of the Year.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Well said.

Now lets see how the you know who's pick that apart.

Dear Ms O'Brien,

I wonder if you'd be telling negroes to 'get a sense of humour' if Cohen came up with a character called 'Sambo' who walked around eating watermelon and spoke like, "Yessum, Misser Boss, Sir, I sho' is some uppity niggra"? If Bruno did a satirical character of a woman that portrayed all women in general as "whores' would you also say this was a parody and women should lighten up and laugh? You could be on the hit list of this idiot next.

The Today Tonight program ask me to come on air to comment on Sacha Baron Cohens satirical character Bruno.

I was speaking as Gary Burns and not on the behalf of the homosexual community. The five-minute piece did not say I was a "Gay Activist" or was speaking on the behalf of homosexuals in general as your article in the Herald-Sun suggests.

Your article is a lie and fails to hit the mark about me.

I have never called for the banning of this movie. That was a little bit of mischief making on the part of the TT presenter.

My view is the crass campness of Bruno should only feed homophobia, not take it to task. I am a 52 year old man. I don't want to be imaged as some overt homosexual with my bum hanging out of my pants dancing down the street in the New Mardi-Gras. Many gay men may be happy acting out like Liberace but I am not one of them.

Ms O'Brien whether you are with me or not I couldn't care less. But I would suggest in future if you are going to write something on me condemning me as a man without a sense of humour that you ring me first and give me a chance to comment.

Your Lucille Ball approach to Bruno may be be funniest thing for you but you are not a male homosexual who has been bashed three times and nearly murdered simply because he is a homosexual.

You have not pissed your pants at 32 years of age because you thought you were going to be thrown over cliff tops to your death by six teenage male children.

Go away and lay-by some empathy. When you are able to feel for others let me know.

My number is 02-************.

Rgds Gary Burns (no gay activist tag thanks)

Urban

Urban said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Tall poppy syndrome ? not really. I dont think Gary is in that league yet. Getting there yes but remember he is not doing this for the gay community so it does seem likes its his own personal agenda. Absolutely nothing wrong with that but doesnt make him worthy of Australian of the Year.

He's tall poppy enough for posters like you (displaying apparenly zero to contribute to the community) to come onto here specifically to take a stab at, seemingly jealous that Burns is usually the one who gets asked to comment on TV shows etc. It's sad that some queens can only join the bitching throngs like pack rats and don't apparently have any individual ideas, thoughts or opinions on much at all. But yes, Australian of the Year for Gary Burns is perfectly reasonable by me if the likes of glorified secretary Stevie Clayton can snatch up an OA for herself for doing so comparatively little good for society.

zebra-stripes said on the 8th Jul, 2009

"When activists such as Burns - whom I have supported on other issues - can't take a joke, they risk alienating the people they need to win over." - Susie O'Brien

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Zebra dear you know they conveniently forget posts or parts of posts or parts
of an article to suit their diatribe.

Shayne has already posted that he and Gary dont agree on all things but seems when
we disagree over the Cohen thing as does Susie it seems we are wrong and need to be abused over it. Why is that ?

Go figure.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

why would you think that GB gives a flying shit about whether you support him or not, zebra?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Zebra dear you know they conveniently forget posts or parts of posts or parts
of an article to suit their diatribe.

Shayne has already posted that he and Gary dont agree on all things but seems when
we disagree over the Cohen thing as does Susie it seems we are wrong and need to be abused over it. Why is that ?

Go figure.

Abused? Show me where I abused anyone, Ms. "Ur all a bunch of low-life bacteria."

paultoppy

paultoppy said on the 8th Jul, 2009

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

hahahahahahahahahahahaaa

" show me where I have abused"

do you have a short attention span ?

go back and read your own posts.

I just thought I would join you in the name calling you do when backed into a corner and have no reasonable come back. Seems you dont like it but couldnt care less
when you do it to others. Double standards possums.

Urban

Urban said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Really profound, meaty points you're contributing. Ever consider joining a debating society?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Ya well, Oldie, ok whatever, and heiffer. Hymen. Fyi., I am NEVER "backed into a corner and have no reasonable come back." :)

As some guy said to MJ's kids at the memorial, 'your father was not odd. What was odd was what he had to endure from this world.' Same thing with GB. There's never any shortage of haters and naysayers and cynics hiding behind anonymous and childish bitching online. Its sad that that is the best you can do with YOUR lives. I happen to know that GB has taken on yet another instance of homophobic vilification...I won't give details because that would only feed the haters, and I'm sure it won't be long before our 'community media' picks up on it and turns it into something ugly.

paultoppy

paultoppy said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Awwww you called me a moron! I've been called worse and by smarter people than you :D

and nice strategy to copy my post edit [did you think of that by yourself?]

zebra-stripes said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Because I've got like 10 emails from him trying to guilt and shame me.

I've never really said anything against the guy, and went out of my way to state it at one point, until The Convicts got branded cowards, saboteurs, etc.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Ya well, Oldie, ok whatever, and heiffer. Hymen. Fyi., I am NEVER "backed into a corner and have no reasonable come back." :)

As some guy said to MJ's kids at the memorial, 'your father was not odd. What was odd was what he had to endure from this world.' Same thing with GB. There's never any shortage of haters and naysayers and cynics hiding behind anonymous and childish bitching online. Its sad that that is the best you can do with YOUR lives. I happen to know that GB has taken on yet another instance of homophobic vilification...I won't give details because that would only feed the haters, and I'm sure it won't be long before our 'community media' picks up on it and turns it into something ugly.

Michael Jackson and Gary Burns in the one sentence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF ???????????????????????????????????

you are not doing Gary any good with that comparison.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Awwww you called me a moron! I've been called worse and by smarter people than you :D

and nice strategy to copy my post edit [did you think of that by yourself?]

hahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaa

I almost wet myself when I saw your Avatar PaulToppy.......... luv it.

zebra-stripes said on the 8th Jul, 2009

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

I think MJ was a most naive and innocent man who brought a simple joy to billions of people, I know he faced some scurrilous allegations, of which he was acquitted. Personally, I doubt he could even get it up, let alone diddle kiddies. But I'm sure in your nasty tatty little minds, you have a very different picture, its the kind of mentality that makes giving a kid a cuddle a criminal offence.

Regardless, the parallel is not such a stretch, Burns and Jackson cop all kinds of cruel and untrue shit from this world, while all I can see either of them having done is good.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Because I've got like 10 emails from him trying to guilt and shame me.

I've never really said anything against the guy, and went out of my way to state it at one point, until The Convicts got branded cowards, saboteurs, etc.

....and yet you'd believe the Aconvicts [URL="http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=10127&page=3"]lies over GB? With friends like you, who needs enemas?

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

I think MJ was a most naive and innocent man who brought a simple joy to billions of people, I know he faced some scurrilous allegations, of which he was acquitted. Personally, I doubt he could even get it up, let alone diddle kiddies. But I'm sure in your nasty tatty little minds, you have a very different picture, its the kind of mentality that makes giving a kid a cuddle a criminal offence.

Regardless, the parallel is not such a stretch, Burns and Jackson cop all kinds of cruel and untrue shit from this world, while all I can see either of them having done is good.

Assumptions Assumptions Assumptions

what planet or what pill did you take this morning ?

where the fuck did I say anything about Michael Jackson and those stories ?

And the parallel is a stretch ............. a HUGE stretch.

You come off sounding totally ridiculous. Poor Gary. You embarrass him with those
comparisons.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

This very article is a good example of the shit that Burns cops, Oldie. "Gary Burns Vs Bruno "? Gary Burns gives less of a shit about Bruno than I do about you. It's gutter journalism with Burns as the victim, again.

zebra-stripes said on the 8th Jul, 2009

What exactly did they lie about?

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 8th Jul, 2009

sigh

change the subject again.

we were discussing comparing Michael Jackson with Gary Burns............

the only thing gutter is your attacks on other posters views. You have stated that
you and Gary dont see eye to eye but you hack into anyone that dares offer another
view on anything.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Would you like me to copy/paste the whole thing over here? Ok...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz View Post
Shayne you need a lesson in what is a "fact" and what is "opinion".
That Vautin is a recidivist homophobe - Opinion.
Mr. Vautin and his nasty friends have already appeared in the 1996 “Tackle Homophobia” campaign in schools and continue to offend with sketches labeling young gay men as 'faulty' and 'shameful.' That is recidivist behaviour. Google it. (Fact.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz View Post
That the ADT remedy is at Risk - Opinion.
The Convicts & ACON have formed part of Channel 9's defence against Burns where their lawyers will be citing the "public interest" remedies he is seeking have been covered by the Convicts appearance on the Footy Show and by ACON's endorsement of homophobia by using Fatty Vautins face. (Fact)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz View Post
That Gary Burns lodged a claim with ADT - Fact
It is lodged with the ADB, If the action fails it may go to the ADT or to a court of law. (Fact.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz View Post
That Channel 9 breached the Anti Discrimination Act - Opinion.
If you can't see that labeling young gay men as 'faulty' and 'shameful' is homophobic, there is something wrong with you. Burns does not take on cases he doesn't have a good chance of winning. (Fact.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz View Post
That the Convicts stated the they thought the Eltons skit was offensive - Fact
...which is qualified by the comments, "...I understand the humour and get that kind of vibe...." and "I think we're fine with the context..." and THAT is what will be used in Nine's defence. (Fact.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz View Post
That the Convicts approached the Footy Show - Fact
While the producer of Nines Footy show was reported in the SSO as saying they "were invited on." (Who knows WHAT the fact is?)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz View Post
That actions by Channel 9 post the John's cannot use be used as defence for the skit - Fact.
See above.

Quote:http://sxnews.e-p.net.au/images/stories/431/437/carousel/feat.fatty.250.jpg

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Anyway, I DID say I wasn't spending all day here. The sun is shining and I have work to do, so I'll leave you witches to your sabbath (as I'm always accused of being abusive, I may as well be.) Ta tas :)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/37/84975136_e9c6ec1401.jpg

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

And I think the following data pretty much demonstrates which one of us spends most of our life on here:

hazyinseptember Posts: 1,868
Urban Posts: 452

When in glass houses, dearie. (Some of us actually get out too - and, like work and have lives, you should try it one day).

I know you like to dream that you’re giving the likes of myself doses of our ‘own medicine’ with your bilge,

lol... i have been on here since day dot .. but you would not know that.. because being the troll you are you don't read anything that does not have ACON or Garrrrry Burns involved..

as for you working, well the amount of time you spend on here clearly indicates you don't do much.. but then i guess smoking crack is not a full time job!

Urban

Urban said on the 8th Jul, 2009

I would say kettle calling pan but the figures aren't even close - you're closer to the front of the the forum troll award cue than anyone, dear:

You've not been on here ‘since the year dot’ at all, you’ve only been on here a matter of months longer than I have,

Hazyinseptember: Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,873

Urban: Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 455

..yet have managed to spew forth almost five times more of your bilge as my posts.

What a waste that a man of your age, who ought to be enjoying the prime of his life, has not yet developed beyond the obnoxious adolescent you are and spends his entire life sitting being a forum troll (and trying hypocritically call others proven to spend far less time on here ‘forum trolls’). Frankly, you haven’t a leg to stand on trying to call anyone else that, when the finger statistically points back in your own direction - but then I guess thery don't focus on maths much in Hicksville.

You’re on here purely to slag off a hard working gay activist who is out there fighting for rights that worthless scum like you sit on your fat arses and enjoy.

I’m sure Centrelink would be very interested to know that this is what they keep you for.

Get a life, get a vocabulary, get a few brain cells and fuck up, you sad little piece of flapsnot.

“Hazyinseptember is in a relationship”? With what? A glass pipe? (is that what the alapecia's from?)

paultoppy

paultoppy said on the 8th Jul, 2009

http://www.djforums.com/forums/images/smilies/kleenex.gif

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Oh dear, are you for real?? your trying to tell me im the troll..

OMG thats the funniest thing i have heard!!! get a grip please..

You�re on here purely to slag off a hard working gay activist who is out there fighting for rights that worthless scum like you sit on your fat arses and enjoy.

LOL.. keep going.. please..

I�m sure Centrelink would be very interested to know that this is what they keep you for.

Get a life, get a vocabulary, get a few brain cells and fuck up, you sad little piece of flapsnot.

�Hazyinseptember is in a relationship�? With what? A glass pipe? (is that what the alapecia's from?)

Again you let me down with your insults, please at least try??

i work more than your drug riddled little brain could ever hope to understand, but then i don't expect anything from a sad, old, drug fucked piece of shit like yourself..

Single.. its no wonder, who the fuck would want to be with you! :D

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

hahahahha... :D nice one..

the sad fact is that 'Urban dipshit' cannot cop what he so quickly dishes out on everyone else..

gutless, weak and pathetic..

Urban

Urban said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Oh dear, are you for real?? your trying to tell me im the troll..

Sure, at almost 5 times my number of posts, you win the title. Take the cake and choke on it.

You’re on here purely to join the sheep and slag off a hard working gay activist like Burns who is out there fighting for rights that worthless scum like you sit on your fat arses and take for granted. Your bad karma, queen if that's how you want to spend your life.

paultoppy

paultoppy said on the 8th Jul, 2009

:confused:

http://www.shipmentoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ouch-fail.jpg

Urban

Urban said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Whatever it is you’re so screwed up about, sounds like you brought it ALL on yourself. You can waste the rest of another day spewing forth more crap on here if that’s how you get your jollies, some of us will be doing something a tad more worthwhile.

zebra-stripes said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Anyway back to the issues.

You claim here that the Convicts lied.

I questioned that. And in your reply you copy and pasted a whole load of stuff which was negative opinions and interpretations.

However there was no actual point where they lied. There was nothing to lie about.

So they did not lie...

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 8th Jul, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8y0dajaaIs

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

its called being part of a community.. not that a fucking tired old lonely loser like yourself would understand that..

You just keep on disappointing me with your lame attacks.. but with your track record of disappointing men i guess i should not be surprised!

The sooner you OD the happier everyone will be... :D

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

I hardly think abusing people behind a pseudonym can hardly be called worthwhile.. i call it gutless, but hey it seems to be the only thing your remotely good at...

funny how you spend so much time on here doing it.. wetting your panties anytime someone 'DARES' disagree with your fucked up views

your probably trying to finger yourself into some kind of climax right as your reading this response .. don't worry about that little withered flesh tube of yours, just stuff your fist in, that should get you there...

:rolleyes:

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 8th Jul, 2009

I think this thread needs a referee...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86AJje3ElDc

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Oh dear. Looks like Urban's about to have another thread closed. No doubt he'll be blaming everyone else as usual.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

lol don't post that asher, it might pigeonhole and stereotype gay men as lisping mincing queens... :D

Luke Francis

Luke Francis said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Hey Guys, would you mind taking it somewhere else please? Attacking each other has got nothing to do with what this thread is about nor any others.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Hey Luke,

its sad to think this is what is has come down to, but im so sick of the constant lies and attacking that certain people have resorted to.. and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire...

its a shame because Same Same is a great community.. So please don't let this put you off the rest of the community, it really is quite friendly..

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 8th Jul, 2009

Of course he will, because everyone on here is PAID by ACON to disagree with him...

i'm surprised he can sleep with paranoid delusions like that.. :D

Tim D

Tim D said on the 8th Jul, 2009

I'm weighing in here too. This thread is no longer serving any purpose - and surprise, surprise it's the usual characters.

Everyone has had their say, let's move on to the next topic.

Thread closed.

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