Midget Singer Homophobic?

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A gay male claims that he was the victim of a homophobic hate crime during a rock show at East Brunswick Club last Saturday night – he was shamed on stage by a performer he’d paid to see, and had a drink thrown in his face.

According to Alex Ettling, he was in the crowd watching the band Midget, and guitarist and singer Chris Moller [pictured] repeatedly spouted homophobic comments from the stage. At one point he declared that the theme of their tour was ‘no homo’.

“As an oppressed group you get pretty used to being marginalised and degraded in the course of your day-to-day life. It grinds you down and makes it hard to want to stand up against haters and bullies,” says Ettling.

“On this occasion, I somehow summoned up the courage to call Chris on his bigotry and so heckled from the crowd that he was homophobic. Chris seemed shocked that someone was standing up against him and asked me to come up on stage to defend my accusation through the microphone.”

Ettling obliged, and addressed the crowd, saying that his comments were homophobic and didn’t belong at a rock show. “In the same way that you wouldn’t dare say ‘no black people’ or ‘no women’ on this tour, you can’t target queer people,” says Ettling.

“He then went on to degrade me by saying things like ‘do you know who you’re talking to? I suck cocks!’. He later admitted to me that this was a lie. He offered to the crowd that the reason I was complaining was because I ‘hadn’t been laid in ages’. He encouraged antagonism from the crowd and stirred up a mosh pit of aggressive Midget fans. Whilst I was talking, a full drink was thrown at me hitting me in the face. Another drink was hurled at me some time after. I was shocked from the impact of the projectile and the scenario that was unfolding. It felt like the homophobic indie rock equivalent of a public stoning. I composed myself and went to the mic to denounce the violence of the response, but had my mic cut off.”

Ettling said that neither the band nor security did anything to stop the attack or condemn them in the aftermath. They didn’t make any effort to find the perpetrators. Ettling asked to speak to the venue management and promoter three times through various means, including through the bar staff and security, and was repeatedly ignored.

Martin Evans, Music Co-ordinator of East Brunswick Club said that it’s not the club’s policy to censor performers or artists, nor does it knowingly book or support performers or artists who have discriminatory, violent or anti-social agendas.

“Any views expressed by performers or artists during a performance at the The East Brunswick Club are not representative of the views of, and are in no way supported by, the owners, management or staff of The East Brunswick Club,” Evans told Same Same. Despite the club’s inactivity to Ettling’s requests for action, Evans affirms that the venue “always has and will continue to openly support diverse and minority community groups.”

A reviewer for our rock music sister site Fasterlouder.com.au was also there that night.

“The guitarist constantly shouted short bursts of inflammatory dialogue at the audience but the most amusing moment comes when a punter responds. Yelling, ‘Homophobe’ from somewhere near the sound desk. The frontman responds by stopping the set and demanding to know, ‘who said that?’ Several members of the crowd are more than happy to comply pointing excitedly at the offending party. At which point he invites the accuser up on stage with him. Taking a mike the punter who looks somewhat like Jermaine from Flight of the Concords, takes a mike angrily stating, ”’No homos’, you might as well say no blacks or women too.” The frontman responds by claiming that he himself is gay and the audience member’s mike is swiftly cut off. I don’t think anyone was expecting this controversial turn but the band seem determined to keep offending suggesting that their heckler is in need of a Snuggie.”

According to Ettling, the lead singer from another band who performed on the night tried to get Chris Moller to apologise to Ettling. “But Chris became increasingly defensive and agitated, spouted more offensive statements and then had us thrown out of the venue.”

Ettling left quietly but asked once more to speak to management. Security continued to ignore him for another 30 minutes until he left, and reported the incident to the police.

Ettling said that the incident was traumatising. “It doesn’t matter how gung-ho you think you will be about confronting prejudice, it’s always tough to face people who have more power than you. Confident white heterosexual men with microphones, exuding a whole lot of personality are really scary to stand up to. I’m disappointed that, on-the-whole … there were more cheers for Midget than there were for me. But I got a few pats on the back afterwards.”

Chris Moller tells Same Same that his words have been taken out of context.

“Both ‘No Homo’ and ‘Snuggie’ were innocent, silly band in-jokes, originating from YouTube videos – both produced by a guy who specialises in parodies of mainstream culture – watched on that tour,” says Moller. “The videos are aimed at making fun of the gullibility of mainstream culture (no offence) and taking the mickey out of homophobic, bigoted, rednecked white trash (offence intended).”

The Snuggie video is here:

The No Homo video is here:

”’No homo’ ... is an American catch-phrase which ‘theoretically’ allows ‘average’ heterosexual males to engage in what could be considered homo-erotic acts whilst remaining incontrovertibly heterosexual – all as long as you add the disclaimer ‘No homo’,” says Moller. “An hilarious insight into the extent of white, middle-class male insecurity. My mistake was thinking that it is a common part of the cultural lexicon, however it’s obviously not as widespread in Australia as myself and my band-mates thought. Otherwise it wouldn’t have been used so flippantly, despite – please note – the fact it was said with lashings of irony. We would never use this term seriously or with any intention to offend!”

Moller said that he is offended at the implication that he is homophobic.

“Midget – and myself – have always supported gay rights, and have performed (sometimes in drag) at many benefits and contributed songs to CDs for many causes, including encouraging awareness of violence against women, third world poverty, and many other causes.

“As someone with many gay friends, who is married to a bisexual woman – heck, as someone who has enjoyed his share of boy-kisses over the years – I certainly would never, never intend to cause offence to anyone, or make a joke at the expense of their sexuality.

“I do now understand, however, that our on-stage in-joke could be interpreted in another way totally to the innocent, simplistic way it was said. This implication didn’t strike me at the time, but to anyone to whom this caused offence – obviously Alex Ettling, but also anyone else who was at the show or has read of this incident – I am truly sorry. And I mean that. That said, a live punk-rock show is entertainment – it’s not a political forum. Anyone who attempts to wrest the stage from the band in order to deliver a political diatribe is never going to get a positive response from this kind of audience, whatever their beliefs or sexual orientation. I certainly didn’t incite the audience in any way, I didn’t need to – they were already pumped and primed for what they came there for – loud, noisy rock’n’roll!

“As for the offended punter in question, I did actually introduce myself, offered him my hand by way of apology, and took the time to attempt to explain the origin of my comment. All to no avail, as Alex wouldn’t listen, and was convinced a greater anti-homosexual masterplan was at work – a ‘hate crime’ no less.

“To those who have sent me violent and derogatory comments – do you understand how hypocritical it is to incite violence against someone whom you believe – erroneously – to have committed a violent act. To do so without the facts is ludicrous – you’re condoning what you condemn.”

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pioneer_to_the_falls said on the 6th Jul, 2009

I only invited Alex onstage because I thought he was a drunk heckler and had no idea what he was shouting. I do it quite often with hecklers.

As far as I can see this isnt about sexuality at all but a bruised ego. Alex chose to get onstage, and proceeded to dig himself deeper and deeper into a hole with every comment. Hence why the crowd told him to get off, hence why he got soaked with beer, hence why his ego was bruised, and hence why he ran to the media in an effort to condemn not only myself but the venue as well.

So I ask you this - was it Alex standing up for gay rights or was he trying to avenge a bruised ego?

I'll apologise to Alex if I offended him (i'm waiting for a contact for him) but it doesn't mean that i'm not going to voice my opinions about what the real issue is here, and it certainly is NOT about a hate crime.

Cheers for the explanation.

Hopefully someone will give you Alex's email so that you can privately sort it out with him.

It may seem like a witch hunt to you, but try to see the incident through the perspective of the 'lynching mob'. Public displays of homophobia have been front and centre on SameSame's news (Footy Show, Jeff Kennett, heck even Bruno). People are angry. That said, threats of violence shouldn't be condoned...

I just hope you don't take it personally and understand the anger/frustration people have expressed as being towards the events we thought took place, rather than the events you explained. Does that make sense? Long day at work and my brain is fried haha.

aeaeae

aeaeae said on the 26th Jul, 2009

Hello – my name is Alex Ettling (the person involved in the East Brunswick Club incident),

It’s taken me a while to confront the things written on the internet, so apologies for not participating in the dialogue sooner. I’ve been a bit shaken by what happened and I’ve been really trying to put it out of my mind. I don’t get excited by conflict and I really don’t like putting myself out on display, but I want to get some good outcomes out of what has happened. So I’ll just respond to a few things that Chris Moller and others have said, and make some general comments about the issues as I see them.

Just like everyone who went to the Screamfeeder show, I just came to the East Brunswick Club to have a good time, have a few beers watch some rock. But I’m a socially conscious fellow and I don’t check this in at the door—even if most of the time I usually just think ‘that’s fucked up’ instead of being vocal. Being socially aware doesn’t stop me getting really excited cos one of my favourite bands Screamfeeder are playing ‘Kitten Licks’ in its entirety. I brought friends along to the show who don’t know Screamfeeder, and I thought it would just be a good night out for all. Unfortunately, my opportunity to have a good time was taken away from me when the ‘no homo’ comments were made. I’m vaguely aware of the no homo idea, but it didn’t click with me that this was being appropriated. Even if it did, it wouldn’t have changed my view of it being homophobic in this context.

The tough thing about calling people on the problematic quips they make is that it can make you seem like a humourless, curmudgeon. But it shouldn’t be underestimated how bloody hard it is to do political humour. How can you create levity out of the pain that comes from oppression? You can hope that a joke maybe jars people out of their complacency. If you’re in a controlled environment of people whose reactions you can reasonably predict, you might even be able to do some wry group therapy about how your oppression plays itself out. But its really difficult stuff to do, and the ‘you just didn’t get it’ response towards people who are marginalised by this sort of humour might not be good enough. And really, for all the people who laugh you really can’t be sure if they ‘get it’ or if they’re doing what Sarah Silverman describes as the ‘mouthful of blood’ laughs, where they’re actually missing any implied irony and cheering on the hating. And then there’s all the people who couldn’t care one way or the other, who might just think: ‘oh well, I didn’t care about the oppression of queers before and here’s someone making light of it, so I’m in safe company in being apathetic’. By saying ‘no homos’ on stage, it was a dog whistle to say ‘there’s an us, and there’s a them’. It’s saying: we are of course all straight here. Homo people aren’t here. And if they are, you wouldn’t want to be one of them. This is how that comment made me feel. And from that point on my night was as good as ruined. I couldn’t just be at a rock show. I was in a space of homophobia – overt and complicit.

I'll clarify some of the events that took place. I have a differing recollection to Chris about how events unfolded, but I don’t want to be sidelined by this sort of stuff because I think the broader issues are more worthy of people's time.

I was basically requested to come up on stage to defend my heckling from the crowd. I really couldn’t back away from it, but when I broke the seal and put myself out there I took on board the consequences of debating it out. I wasn’t expecting Chris to make those sexualised comments to imply that he was same-sex attracted. But it really doesn’t matter what your identity is when it comes to making prejudiced comments—and I said this through the microphone. Chris later said that his claim to sucking cocks wasn’t true but claimed that by saying ‘I suck cocks’ in front of a large crowd he was normalising male same-sex acts and therefore couldn’t be criticised as being homophobic. Aside from this not really responding to the initial homophobia of the ‘no homos’ comment, it’s also just another way of degrading someone in a weaker position of power. All of a sudden, I get these potentially embarrassing descriptions of what ‘people like me do’ thrown out there, and I have to politically articulate myself around that. And then I was told that ‘(I) hadn’t been laid in ages’. Any one familiar with sexism in the workplace can see the equivalent scenario taking place. The boss that talks dirty to the shy secretary, intimidating her into submission. And then when he’s exposed calls her ‘frigid’ and ‘can’t take a joke’.

I’m not sure why if Chris positions himself as an ‘anti-homophobe’ that he’d be so hostile to me wanting to publicly call someone on homophobia even if according to him it was a mistaken reading of the situation. Anyone who genuinely considers themselves part of a struggle is always chuffed when someone gets a bit gung ho and tries to stick it to ‘em, even if it is woefully misplaced. I do defend myself in saying that Chris incited the crowd to respond in the way they did. And given that two full drinks were thrown at me, hitting me in the face. And there was a gap between the two drinks, with no comment from anyone. Well, I’m wondering why Chris didn’t at any time seem to think: ‘hmm, my anti-homophobia project might not be going that well right now. I might just at least give a shout out to the principle of Alex taking a stand against homophobia, or at the very least I might just say that there’s no need to throw projectiles at his head’. But that didn’t happen. Again, I had to go to the mic and be the person who said what was happening was wrong. And I had my microphone cut off.

And here’s where you see the layers of homophobic oppression coming to the surface. On three separate occasions I asked to speak to the management or promoter to discuss what had happened. I was angry about the comment, the assault and the security’s failure to do anything about it. No one from the East Brunswick Club appeared. A test of a venue and the promoters of entertainment is how they keep their spaces safe and welcoming for all. Clearly, the East Brunswick Club has massive deficiencies in this despite what they have issued in their press statement. The security which they contract are obviously woeful in making judgements about violent situations and how to respond to these conflicts. The East Brunswick Club hasn’t admitted any wrong doing, they haven’t apologised and they seemingly are content to see violent hate crimes continue on their promises. They deserve to be called out on it.


to be continued...

(this message board won't let me include all of what I posted on Midget/Chris Moller's Myspace. Have a look there for my full response and some other things that other people and Chris have since contributed to this debate)


http://blogs.myspace.com/midgetsounds

theinnertiger

theinnertiger said on the 28th Jul, 2009

This is my response to Chris's most recent attack on Alex Ettling on the Midget Myspace Page. What a homophobic jerk!


Chris, I am a queer woman who lives in Brunswick and regularly visits the East Brunswick Hotel for dinner, trivia and band nights. I wasn't at all impressed to read about what had happened at your gig, and from all the comments I have read by you and others, I am pretty damn sure you don't take homophobia seriously at all and basically just think it's a big joke. Well my queer mate got beat up outside the Noise Bar in a homophobic attack recently, and I don't think that is a joke. Do you? I think that you going on and saying that your actions were simply "bad taste" or just being ironic really isn't good enough in a climate when we are still getting beaten up and threatened in BRUNSWICK on a regular basis, let alone in other parts of the country. It's particularly vile since you were onstage and had been given a platform to speak. If you can't act like a decent human being, or at least admit when you are wrong and just apologise without putting everyone else down, then I basically think you shouldn't be on stage, and that pubs that want to keep their reputation as queer friendly venues shouldn't be booking you. And frankly, I am disgusted by your last email to Alex Ettling. I mean seriously, is that a THREAT that I read at the end there Chris? He could take that sh*t to the Police. You can't just go around threatening people, it's just not on. Really, it's pathetic. You are just slinging sh*t at a guy who actually tried to stand up to this one cr*ppy thing that you did because you don't have the guts to just take it on the chin and admit you made a mistake. I don't think that Alex sounds like he needs counselling at all. I just think you sound like a condescending and extremely childish man who obviously hasn't grown at all since the 90's. Maybe you should have stayed there cos the world has moved on from accepting this kind of backward, blokey crap.

wrongendofthestick

wrongendofthestick said on the 28th Jul, 2009

hey there...or whatever

I've waited for awhile to post a reply to this but seems a thought the longer it goes on the more it gets under my skin.

Firstly you may want to know my bias, that I'm a friend and bandmate of Chris Moller. Not a Midget bandmate..but have played a couple of shows with him and he with me, if you get what I mean...and, yes, I've heard a few bad jokes in my time..

Secondly, I really do think that this has been blown out of all proportion. A guy(whether straight,gay,bi..) with a couple of beers under his belt is invited on stage by a member Midget ,much to the horror of the security at the venue-who were later berrated for it, and brings his soapbox with him. Some other punter with a couple of beers under their belt thinks it would be an amusing idea to throw their beer CUP (plastic-thats the only type you're allowed in with) at the guy on stage. The cup bounced off Alex's (full beer cup) and spilt some beer on him, then someone else threw another..then the sound guy wisely turned off his microphone.

From what I recollect..after a couple of beers of course..is that there was no 'incitement to hate crime', nor any other crime. I didnt even realise that mr Ettling was gay. Or maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention, as I usually dont walk around venues trying to single out people. I initially thought he was just trying to be a smartarse. Now I think he doesnt know how to get out of looking like an ass so has taken the story to a completely different level.

I take any violation of someone's rights seriously. I take any assault seriously. I don't care if your're gay, bi, queer. If someone acccuses someone else of a 'hate-crime', they better be prepared to back it up. How many gay people are actually offended by the 'No-Homo' thing? I'm curious. Is it offensive in a bad joke kind of way or in a discriminatory way? Maybe Alex should be persuing the creators of this youtube footage, or indeed C. Moller in court instead of appealing to the sympathy of people who weren't at the said venue and have immediately jumped to the conclusion, based on one person's version, that Chris is a homophobe and also somehow responsible for every assault in Brunswick, Greater Melbourne..etc.

Chris has a big mouth, yes. Sometimes his big mouth gets him into trouble, yes. But I reckon the kind of people who bash others in dark alleys are not the kind of people who make 'no homo' jokes in front of 400 or so people at a show which is bound to contain homosexual people...get my point? midget are the last kind of band you would accuse of queer-bashing. Anyone in sydney can see them play with their good friends Nitocris in a coupla weeks..they're talking about doing it in drag...

Chr1sM0IIer

Chr1sM0IIer said on the 30th Jul, 2009

Holy F%#king Shit!!! This has now officially gotten ridiculous. I am seriously amazed and now realise what Alex meant by his "He has to suffer for the rest of his life that his name and his band’s name is in Google search hell" comment.... yep, job well done Alex you asshole. It's great that that this has now crossed over to my work life. Nice one.

I've tried to contact you to offer a personal apology but you are obviously not interested. For anyone here wondering what i'm talking about check out Alex's post on the Midget Myspace blog dated Sun 26th July:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=203357653&blogId=498421620

Please read that post and tell me Mr Ettling is making a clear (and concise) argument. To paraphrase and quote from Alex's post"...I’ve been really trying to put it out of my mind. I don’t get excited by conflict and I really don’t like putting myself out on display, but I want to get some good outcomes out of what has happened.... When Chris came over he was upbeat and seemed to want to make peace... I think that it’s great that he’s principally against homophobia and involved in other left-wing causes. I think it’s very admirable that he’s put himself forward to publicly discuss what happened on message boards where he would potentially have little support. There’s not much of what Chris has said and written that makes me think he is as yet sorry in the way I want him to be". Jeez Alex, what way would that be???

And to end I love this part - "He asked me what I wanted him to do about it, and I really drew a blank. I think I said something like ‘everything’ and he sorta scoffed at me. But what do you say? How can he undo a lifetime of homophobia and all the incidents like this which have coloured the experiences of me and my friends?"

Ummmm..... Alex, is that really what you were looking for, ie an explanation/apology that will make EVERTHING ok??? For Christ's sake get real!!! I wish someone would - or more to the point could - apologise to me for my fucked-up upbringing but you will NEVER find me searching for said apology in some random chatroom/forum/gig etc etc etc.

Anyway that's enough from me. It was my birthday as of an hour ago and why i'm wasting my time with this shit is beyond me.

Peace, love, & happiness (no homo),
Chris Moller

aeaeae

aeaeae said on the 30th Jul, 2009

Hello everyone – Alex Ettling here,

This is the second post I’ve added to this discussion. I wouldn’t describe a discussion about a homophobic incident as a ‘saga’ or that I’m searching for a ‘pseudo homophobia whipping boy’. I think most people who have posted comments actually care about the outcome of a homophobic incident. And having people take responsibility for their actions. Unfortunately the last few posters on SameSame don’t agree—if you don’t care anymore just disengage. But don’t support homophobes in saying that standing up against homophobia (no matter how ‘small’ an issue) is an over-reaction.

When I wrote my last post, I thought that people might be bored with this discussion, which is why I didn’t restrict myself too much with length. I figured that the only person that would bother to read it would be Chris Moller himself. The key thing that I think Chris (and his supporters) seem to be missing is a bit of empathy for people who actually live with homophobia every day of their lives. And so I wanted to write an account of my thought process through the whole incident up till that point. And also offer my thoughts about oppression on a broader level. Chris has disrespected this by producing a string of my quotes, taken out of context, to suit his own purposes. So people who can’t be bothered reading my full post will just accept his bullsh*t. Chris is a homophobe, a bully and liar. And I want to point out very clearly why:

But you’ll have to click on Midget’s Myspace blog to find out:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=498421620

[URL="http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=498421620"]http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=498421620

aeaeae

aeaeae said on the 30th Jul, 2009

In response to Wrongendofthestick:

Dear friend of Chris Moller,

You’re post features pretty weak arguments – the kind which people who rarely think of homophobia usually use i.e. ‘why do you care so much?’, ‘I didn’t even realise you were gay’, ‘my gay friends think this and so it must be true’, ‘he must have been drunk because why would anyone want to stand up against homophobia’, blah blah blah.

You seem pretty determined to go into bat for Chris and to do a bit of character assassination on his behalf. You’re only exposure to me is from the brief moment when I was on stage denouncing homophobia whilst getting drinks thrown at me. And this whilst you contentedly watched on. You don’t have any credibility in my eyes. I suppose you are supporting your friend and you share the view with him that homophobia is a big joke.

If you think jokes that marginalise oppressed people are funny and you don’t mind a bit of violence directed at people standing up for themselves, well, your post makes perfect sense. But you are a homophobe.

If you really take ‘any violation of someone’s rights seriously’, you need to actually do some more thinking about how this incident has played itself out. You need to have a think about the arguments I’ve made to Chris in the post I made on his Myspace. You’re post is such a ‘stooge Chris Moller’ that I’m not going to respond to what you have written separately. But I’ve touched on some of your insults in my larger post written to Chris. It’s a shame that Chris has people like you as friends because it’s not helping him actually come to terms with his responsibility over what happened. I hope you both learn together.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=498421620

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