ACON CEO Steps Down

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Stevie Clayton, long time CEO of ACON, has resigned. ACON President Mark Orr paid tribute to Clayton in a statement released today for her significant contribution to the health and wellbeing of the community.

Mr Orr says Ms Clayton has been an outstanding leader of ACON in her nine years as CEO and has been a key player in NSW and Australia’s response to HIV.

“On behalf of the members and the Board of ACON, I would like to thank Stevie for her hard work, dedication and commitment to ACON,” Mr Orr said. “Stevie first joined ACON in 1997, so has been with the organisation for just over half of its lifetime.”

Orr said that Stevie’s contribution to ACON has put her at the centre of policy making, and she’s played a key role in shaping NSW and Australia’s response to HIV.

“It is testament to Stevie’s knowledge and leadership that NSW can now lay claim to being one of the few places in the entire world where HIV infection rates have remained stable.”

“Stevie has been fundamental in the establishment of the National LGBT Health Alliance and was recognised for her many contributions to the GLBT community and law reform when in her very early years as our CEO she was awarded a Medal of the Order of Australia in 2003,” Orr added.

Orr said that ACON is looking internationally for Stevie’s replacement and that she will stay on until they are appointed.

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shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 18th Jul, 2009

works for me, hazy.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 18th Jul, 2009

doesn't work for me, Timmy.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 18th Jul, 2009

My favourite was the vile trash about my only practicing my photography because it's the only way I could get a fuck. I'm still trying to work out how I can do photo's and fuck at the same time.

P.S..

I never said anything about your artwork.. :rolleyes:

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 18th Jul, 2009

http://chestofbooks.com/home-improvement/woodworking/Woodwork-Joints/images/Fig-85-Vertical-Boring-previous-to-Chiselling.jpg

vertical boring

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 18th Jul, 2009

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 18th Jul, 2009

Ha ha ha, Timmy, actually going to the bother of removing all of Urban's posts from this thread, especially as he's been proven innocent of your accustations, makes you look even more small and vindictive.

Anyhoo...I think there's been enough proof now of the bullying, blacklists, scams, persecutions and cons in the big end of this town for any intelligent person to work it out. Which is why I guess some posters on here can only respond with the schoolgirl taunts.

I am contacted by a lot of people not members of this site who read these forums anyway, and they've all worked it out. It's not my job to take anyone's moral inventory, that is their own task, nor can I demand anyone care about the community being manipulated and rorted, but still an awful lot do.

Our 'community leaders' - samesame, little Timmy, Stevie, the Star, the Convicts, acon's stooges on this site etc etc., are covered in the brown stuff. And others WILL judge them.

Even the radio news has it worked out:

QUEERNOISE NEWS, last night:

"Stevie bails, in wake of Convict conspiracy theory

Stevie Clayton has resigned as chief executive of ACON, after almost a decade in the top job.... Stevie’s resignation came within hours of the publication of a story in SX News that said Channel Nine is using an appearance on the Footy Show by gay rugby team the Sydney Convicts, to argue that there is no legitimate basis for the Anti Discrimination Tribunal to entertain a complaint by Gary Burns that a previous segment on the show constituted vilification of male homosexuals. The convicts asked SX to not run the article. The Queernoise cannot confirm reports that the Convicts’ appearance was the result of a collusion between ACON and the Sydney Star Observer to sabotage Gary’s case, because they don’t believe he represents the gay community. Nor can we verify that the convicts approached Clayton and threatened to spill the beans. Meanwhile, Gary is having trouble finding a legal team to represent him before the ADB. He says that if all else fails, he will represent himself."

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 18th Jul, 2009

Anyhoo...I think there's been enough proof now of the bullying, blacklists, scams, persecutions and cons in the big end of this town for any intelligent person to work it out. Which is why I guess some posters on here can only respond with the schoolgirl taunts.

:rolleyes:

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

poor hazy, do u miss having urban to play with?

zebra-stripes said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Hilariously bad journalism.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

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zebra-stripes said on the 19th Jul, 2009

More backwater journalism than grassroots. So amateurish and cringe worthy.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Nah, quite happy actually..

just wondering how, in your busy daily schedule, you find the time to be such a martyr? :rolleyes:

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 19th Jul, 2009

So Queernoise cannot confirm ??????????????????????????????????????????

wonder where they learnt to make those assumptions ?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Tee hee hee, haze and zebby. What you don't understand, along with books, doorknobs, air and colour, is that none of my comments are addressed to you. They are for the hundreds of others that read these forums and learn a little more about how this town works.

A lot of us were fighting for community and rights when you were still pooing your nappies. And that battle continues, only now it's against those self serving and none-too-bright creeps who think they own community.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Tee hee hee, haze and zebby. What you don't understand, along with books, doorknobs, air and colour, is that none of my comments are addressed to you. They are for the hundreds of others that read these forums and learn a little more about how this town works.

Your spot on, lots of people do read yours and Urbans posts. And from those accusations, persona attacks and paranoid delusions they will make their own opinions...

just make sure you don't fall of that cross in your stiletto's..

anyway old man, im off to Yum Cha.. have a fun day :D

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

wonder where they learnt to make those assumptions ?

hmmm...something about the bleeding obvious staring you in the face? something about a two year old could work it out?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

...accusations, persona attacks and paranoid delusions they will make their own opinions...

hmmm.. this from the girl who writes:

".. not that a fucking tired old lonely loser like yourself would understand that.."
"your probably trying to finger yourself into some kind of climax right as your reading this response .. don't worry about that little withered flesh tube of yours, just stuff your fist in, that should get you there.."
"i don't expect anything from a sad, old, drug fucked piece of shit like yourself..Single.. its no wonder, who the fuck would want to be with you!"
"your the worst kind of bitchy trash that Sydney has to offer, and who would know shit better than you? Its all any of your posts have ever been, so please do us all a favor - fuck off and die."
"you are a gutless piece of trash "?

with those debating skills, you should apply for the acon CEO job, luvvy.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Ahhhh yes

assumption = bleeding obvious = the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Rosso

Rosso said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Maxheadroom: we are aware that you are actually Urban under a different username. We have been following that you have been having "conversations" with each other in the forums and agreeing with Urban's posts, despite the fact that both accounts are coming from the same IP address.

You have intentionally been trying to deceive people in the forums into believing that you are two separate identities.

For this reason, in accordance with the community guidelines - specifically 3.4 and 3.5 - both Maxheadroom and Urban are banned from the forums for 30 days.

Please don't confuse this with censorship. You have brought this upon yourself, so don't go blaming anyone else for this ban.

Message to: TimD

From: maxheadroom (who is unable to log in because you banned him):

"No Tim, the old IT thinking that each IP addy equates to one forum poster went out years ago when forum proprietors realised that most busy people use the internet on the hop and grab whatever PC is closest to hand. Suggest you consider bringing this archaic attitude up to date or risk a big chunk of samesame posters being as pissed off as I was at your accusations of deceit. I work and live with people who post on this site and none of us are glued to one particular screen all day and night, it’s an interchangeable IT life in 2009.

Rosso tells me you messaged him asking me to message you to ‘chat privately’ about this:

'Hey Rosso,

According to our servers, both people are originating from the same IP addresses. Pls get Max to send me a message if he wants to chat about it?

T. '

Mate, if you had shown me the initial respect of discussing this in private message form I would have returned the courtesy, but as you were apparently compelled to publicly accuse me of deceiving people, this charge is more appropriately answered to in the same form, but in any case, did it not occur to you that I cannot 'message' you anyway because I cannot log on, because you banned me.

(And while your foot is in your mouth, maybe you can point out this imaginary conversation which you also claimed you have found me having with myself in an attempt to elaborate the ‘charge’).

Other posters have noted that you show more interest in combating comment on acon and Clayton than common sense in your ‘moderation’ of these forums – now I see they’re correct.

Please pardon my scornful tone but I’m starting to question the attraction of a ‘forum community’ which bans and censors people on false charges for no other apparent reason that their holding different personal and political views to the moderator - maybe consider losing this McCarthyist feature of SS management if you want to keep a user base.

Regards,
Max"

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 19th Jul, 2009

zebra-stripes said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Makes me cringe to see these dullard snipes on the news feed.

It's really starting to effect SameSame's first impression; I hope it can scrub up some how.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 19th Jul, 2009

hmmm.. this from the girl who writes:

".. not that a fucking tired old lonely loser like yourself would understand that.."
"your probably trying to finger yourself into some kind of climax right as your reading this response .. don't worry about that little withered flesh tube of yours, just stuff your fist in, that should get you there.."
"i don't expect anything from a sad, old, drug fucked piece of shit like yourself..Single.. its no wonder, who the fuck would want to be with you!"
"your the worst kind of bitchy trash that Sydney has to offer, and who would know shit better than you? Its all any of your posts have ever been, so please do us all a favor - fuck off and die."
"you are a gutless piece of trash "?

with those debating skills, you should apply for the acon CEO job, luvvy.

hey, could you post all that again? i love reading it.. :D

really sad that's all you can throw back..

how old are you again? because thats pretty much primary school maturity. :rolleyes:

'but he said this to me miss... sob sob'

Rosso

Rosso said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Oh and seeing as I never got a chance to comment myself on the thread - let me just say that its no picnic being an acon employee or client, both of which I have had the unfortunate experience of being, and Clayton will not be missed by most there.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Other posters have noted that you show more interest in combating comment on acon and Clayton than common sense in your ‘moderation’ of these forums – now I see they’re correct.

Please pardon my scornful tone but I’m starting to question the attraction of a ‘forum community’ which bans and censors people on false charges for no other apparent reason that their holding different personal and political views to the moderator - maybe consider losing this McCarthyist feature of SS management if you want to keep a user base.

Regards,
Max"

hear, bloody hear. Sooooo tired of the reactionary, biased queer media in this town. p.s., I suspect zebra is actually Bronwyn Bishop, too.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Ahhhh yes

assumption = bleeding obvious = the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

OK, I'll talk you through it quickly, sit up straight and fold your arms.

The SSO decided Gary Burns is 'not one of us.' They boycotted any stories on him. Their opinion editor said, "Gary Burns is not representative of community."

The SSO published a feature by acon board member David Buchanan, making outright lies... "It is not correct to suggest that by appearing on The Footy Show, the Convicts jeopardised Gary Burns’ proceedings against Channel Nine for anti-gay vilification," when Nine's own Corporate Counsel, says: (the appearance of The Convicts "reinforced Nine’s opposition to vilification or discrimination" and therefore... "Nine therefore submits that there is no legitimate basis upon which the [ADB] need pursue this investigation further”?

The Star, and samesame refuse to run the Burns battles stories, forums are closed and posters banned, even though, if they are soooo upset by some of the shitfighting, they could simply delete the comments without preventing the discussion from continuing.

Christian at samesame is nagged for eight months to publish the interview he claims to have made with Clayton. On the big questions, the response is "Stevie declined to comment."

The Convicts, up shit creek for trashing an anti-homophobia case deliberately...they threatened SX about running the story...and threatened to take Clayton with them.

Add the dozens of other scandals like their drug 'education' farce, the 'safe place' dud, the private rentals for HIV+ shame etc etc....I don't have all day to go into it all, sorry; and even my pussy (who IS two years old) can smell something is very rotten in this tweaker town. But then, he's good at smelling fish.

OK, off into the sunshayne.

Tim D

Tim D said on the 19th Jul, 2009

So Rosso you were present when Max signed up an account on the same computer that Urban also uses?

Do you, Max and Urban all live/work together then? If you would like to prove your innonence, then please answer these questions for me so we can clarify IP addresses. All other unique posters on Same Same have unique IP addresses, even ones that originate from the same offices. I would prefer all these personal details to be sent privately, hence my PM to you which you have responded to here.

Thanks.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Will two people living/working together, be required to buy a second/'unique' computer in order to both contribute to samesame Timmy?

Rosso

Rosso said on the 19th Jul, 2009

So Rosso you were present when Max signed up an account on the same computer that Urban also uses?

Do you, Max and Urban all live/work together then? If you would like to prove your innonence, then please answer these questions for me so we can clarify IP addresses. All other unique posters on Same Same have unique IP addresses, even ones that originate from the same offices. I would prefer all these personal details to be sent privately, hence my PM to you which you have responded to here.

Thanks.

Am really astonished that after having this explained 3 times by 2 people you are still unable to follow what is written.

Re:

“I would prefer all these personal details to be sent privately, hence my PM to you which you have responded to here.”

You PMd me asking me to tell max to PM you – he can’t because his account is banned (from any computer anywhere) so how can he log in to PM you? I posted max’s response publicly at his request because he felt the response should be as public as your absurd accusation'.

Re:

“If you would like to prove your innonence, then please answer these questions for me so we can clarify IP addresses.”

Re:

what ‘innocence’ do have I to prove to anyone? It was max you accused and banned, not me.

Re:

"So Rosso you were present when Max signed up an account?"

I already told you I was with max when he signed up, yes.

Re:
“on the same computer that Urban also uses”?

Already told you that too – no idea who urban is, but as we have both told you more than once, max uses all either communal office/public computers, which are also used by numerous GLBT people who could be SS members.

Re:

“Do you, Max and Urban all live/work together then?”

Don't know who urban is, max is my housemate. The computers Max uses are mostly those shared by numerous GLBTs. (Again why do you need this repeating? It is very simple stuff). You should also realise that it is a virtual impossibilty that the IP address of any of my posts are the same as 'urbans', as I don't even post from the same computers as max usually.

Tim your X Files conspiracy theories are too bizarre – there was no reason to ban max in the first place, or to make up some story about him ‘conversing’ with himself SS under another ID, and you have still been unable to come up with any example of this anywhere despite being asked repeatedly in order to substantiate your alarming accusation, which shows how unfounded this was.

I must agree with max, Tim, you show to have no reason to have singled him out other than because of his view of acon and clayton posted differing from the ones you express on here.

I mean really, if you want to just control what every identity expresses, why not buy yourself a marionette theatre?

Tim D

Tim D said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Thanks for all those points Rosso. To re-iterate, "Max" and "Urban" don't know each other, they are just using the same communal computer somewhere and sometimes happen to [URL="http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=146080#post146080"]agree with each other?

Rosso, please get Max to email me: tim.duggan@thesoundalliance.net with a phone number to call and we can sort this out once and for all.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

LOLZ, I think we're wasting more energy than Ricky Martin's girlfriend trying to explain the difficulties of Timmy's theory.

Anyone can use an IP proxy to change their IP address, or an internet cafe, and many share a computer...the whole IP address theory is up the spout. Perhaps Max needs to do one of the above to sign in under a phony ID in order to argue that he doesn't use phony ID's.

Realistically, many of the posters on samesame are on welfare, and simply can't afford a second computer, especially now that one of them will lose his income (thanks again, acon.)

I think, Timmy, your persecution and outrageous and unfounded claims against those that question acon only emphasises the shonky methodology of that acon clique. At least acon/SSO/the Convicts had the sense to shut the fuck up now.

You owe Rollo, Max and Urban an apology for ur unfounded charge and should reinstate Maxheadroom and Urban today.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Thanks for all those points Rosso. To re-iterate, "Max" and "Urban" don't know each other, they are just using the same communal computer somewhere and sometimes happen to [URL="http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=146080#post146080"]agree with each other?

The fact that Urban and Max share an opinion is hardly Universe shattering, Timmy.

I can't tell you how many guys in the real world message and approach me to say how much they agree with the facts that Max, Urban and I have stated. You must be one of the last people in this city to have not worked out the acon/etc conspiracy against Burns....and the aftermath.

The Oldie, hazy and zebra follow each other around these threads like the Three Stooges, backing up everything the others say, do you think THEY are the samesame personperson too?

Rosso

Rosso said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Thanks for all those points Rosso. To re-iterate, "Max" and "Urban" don't know each other, they are just using the same communal computer somewhere and sometimes happen to [URL="http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=146080#post146080"]agree with each other?

Rosso, please get Max to email me: tim.duggan@thesoundalliance.net with a phone number to call and we can sort this out once and for all.

Tim, to reiterate, max has already said (and so have I) we have no idea who urban is. The IP address question is clarified repeatedly on here now, I can’t make it any clearer for you. That they have expressed any similar views hardly equates to their ‘agreeing’ on anything exactly, when one claims to have never interacted with the other on here (and as you are still unable to show this, I believe him. Plenty of posters share pretty negative views of that place. )

Max is with me as I type this and says to tell you that seeing as you entire theory have been repeatedly disproven (and clearly noted by other posters), why on earth would he be emailing you with his phone number? For what purpose, to pass on to Clayton who he criticised and you defend? That is ridiculously extreme and would prove no more than we have already proved to you. Next thing you’ll be wanting 2 sets of finger prints.

I agree with him 100%. How can you expect people to keep using SS when this is how you treat them? And word is spreading up and down the strip about this like wildfire.

And please desist from PM me from here on, we have ceased to trust one iota, as a result of this dragged out cockup, how you show to operate.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Hahaha

you so make me laugh Shayne.

You have a brain but you just use it for forums like this.

You and Urban and Max and now Rosso follow each other around these threads like the 4 Marx Bros, backing up everthing the others say ........

oh wait where did I here that from ?

As for SameSame cancelling posts by people who speak out against ACON - why
are your posts still here.

But you just keep pushing it hoping Tim D will cancel yours.

As for all the people you speak to ............ well you and your gang have been discussed as well and a lot of people say ignore them........just like the majority of posters on here now do. Dare say there are just as many people who disagree with your ideas on how things should be run. Sure lots of people read the thread but because they dont post doesnt mean they all agree with you.

SameSame has been very friendly over the last few days. I'm glad Urban got banned not because he is against ACON but because of the way he spoke to posters. Fine we disagree but the name calling, picturs of turds floating in a toilet etc just go too far.
And dont give the bullshit line about the pot calling the kettle black........ you guys
start the abuse and anyone can go back into threads to see that. Your posts about what Hazy said to you was laughable. You could fill screens with your posts.

Maybe turn over a new leaf. People disagree with you then accept it , explain it to them and if they dont get it then ignore them. But you wont I think you enjoy taking the piss out of posters.

But leave you to it. Cant wait to see who gets the ACON job and then see if you disagree with the way they run it and off we go again.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 19th Jul, 2009

This thread makes want to do this....LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9vk5vUzuXc

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Hmmm.... The 'sock puppet' theory has become a standard of those scraping the bottom of the barrel for a distraction.

Some idiot from this forum even took it to SX, accusing me and Gary Burns of being the same person. I think most people have heard of GB and seen his pic and I flatter myself to think that my own identity is well established, having been on TV too and having my own ugly mug plastered all over the internet.

I had the same issue with the SSO when some fool accused me of using other nicks. I and others sent that editor copies of our passports. The accusations remained and we're still waiting for an apology, years later.

Poor form, Timmy.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

zebra-stripes said on the 19th Jul, 2009

[URL="http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=144920&postcount=169"]ugh

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

Hahaha
You have a brain but you just use it for forums like this.

Au contraire, I have a full creative life and I am active in a large number of areas, charities, political lobbies etc...not just troll sites like this. This is simply a way of disseminating information.

And yes, I have an IQ of 136 so....

Don't FUCK With Me Fellas!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fTT9xlgZ9CU/R_QXImWPnKI/AAAAAAAAFGE/OLHU9yPnw6E/s400/DontFuckWithMeFellas.jpg

This ain't my first time at the Rodeo!

LOL@me x

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

what part of 'ignore' did ya not comprehend?

zebra-stripes said on the 19th Jul, 2009

[URL="http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=146019&postcount=85"]more bottom-of-the-barrel sock puppet goodness

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

and what point are you making zebby? do you think I am the 'Jonathon Archer ' that wrote to SX alleging GB and I are sock puppets, (if Jonathon Archer is a real name?) 'Brent' on this site has also flung the sock puppet poo about, do you think he is me too?

Stop being stoopit, its annoying.

zebra-stripes said on the 19th Jul, 2009

point is it's ok for your mates to use the sock puppet term, but not anyone else

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

thanks for being on the show. do you have a song request?

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 19th Jul, 2009

And yes, I have an IQ of 136 so....

Don't FUCK With Me Fellas!

wtf?? :rolleyes:

jesus... that made me laugh very, very hard...

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 19th Jul, 2009

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sock+puppet

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 19th Jul, 2009

"...And if there are any historians about or years from now...
of all the networks they will there find recorded
in black and white, and in color, evidence of decadence,
escapism and insulation from the realities
of the world in which we live. We have a built-in allergy to
unpleasant or disturbing information. Our mass media reflect this..."

Edward R. Murrow

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-68)

whatacon said on the 20th Jul, 2009

Um, acon#s offices don'tcha mean?

whatacon said on the 20th Jul, 2009

Um, acon's offices don'tcha mean?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 20th Jul, 2009

well, I didn't like to state the obvious. WE know from emails from acon President Mark Orr that they do read this forum, and they have a whole media dept. devoted to damage control. Not sure how many different IP addresses the acon 'sock puppets' would have access too, but there sure are a lot of computers lying around at Commonwealth Street.

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zebra-stripes said on the 20th Jul, 2009

god this is really lame

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 20th Jul, 2009

...and yet you keep coming back, zebby...plenty of OTHER threads.

zebra-stripes said on the 20th Jul, 2009

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 20th Jul, 2009

Hee hee hee, sure ya are, and that is exactly the point- it's a big diverse, multifaceted community, room enough for all. But no room for elitists and uppity plutocrats who ban posters on false charges, silence threads for no legit reason or sabotage successful activists for whatever petty resentments they hold toward them.

Anyway, its all blown upon in their faces, and Stevie was the first to fall.

whatacon said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Of course, the rule remains that no acon-ite must dare make comment on the organzations proclavities and excesses, but are however given free reign - in work time of course funded by the taxpayer (i.e. YOU) - to belittle, besmirch, implicitly intimidate/bully, shout down and make snide, condescending retorts to brave truthseekers and messengers like Urban and shaynesydney (i.e. the stock-in trade tools of brainwashed, single-minded PC zealots who wouldn't know what truth is if it jumped up and bit them on their backsides!!!). However, sad to note the level of apathy that prevails in your community; I note this thread alone has had in excess of 1,300 views - just a shame a few hundred of those viewers could not have come out and added their voices of support for what you guys have exposed, and without whom acon would be acting with complete impunity and accountability and getting away with it to the point where being HIV-negative in Sydney would by now be the minority status (if it isn't already - correct me if I'm wrong here...). As the well-known saying goes: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."
So thank you Shayneshayne and Urban for refusing to be silenced by those well-meaning posters on here who unfortunately lack the depth of foresight and awareness to see the facts for themselves, however, clearcut they may be, and of course the obnoxious lowlife desperately trying to keep the truth of how they have willfully f*uck*d over your community well and truly covered-up. You are gnawing away at their very foundations, and now Clayton has already abandoned the sinking ship it can only be a matter of time before acon's house of cards comes falling down...

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Some interesting points there, whatacon. In relation to your query, "..acon would be acting with complete impunity and accountability and getting away with it to the point where being HIV-negative in Sydney would by now be the minority status (if it isn't already - correct me if I'm wrong here...)." it's actually frustratingly difficult to access any figures on the percentages of HIV+ gay men in Sydney. Anecdotally, in the gay ghetto, it's about one in six to one in eight. Data is from the Sydney Gay Community Periodic Survey (SGCPS) and the Australian Study of Health and Relationships, HIV Futures 5 Study, Gay Community Periodic Surveys, the Australian National HIV and AIDS Registries and the Australian Household Census. Men in some inner east and inner west postcode areas of Sydney who identified as homosexual or bisexual ranged from 4.4% to 48.1%. There are ~75% more homosexual and bisexual men in NSW than in Victoria and about twice as many as in Queensland. There are about two-thirds as many HIV-positive men in NSW as in Victoria and Queensland combined.
http://www.find-health-articles.com/rec_pub_18588772-homosexual-men-australia-population-distribution-hiv-prevalence.htm

It's an important question because the lynch-pin of acon's 'raison d'etre' has always been that "HIV seroconversion rates remain stable in NSW." Translated, that means according to acon, about one new person acquires HIV every day in NSW. The rates are the same as they were ten years ago. It's a surprising claim considering HIV rates have climbed in every other state, HIV rates in Australia have increased by almost fifty percent in the past eight years -according to a national report compiled by UNSW researchers.

Overall, the number of new HIV diagnoses in Australia has increased each year. And most other sexually transmitted infections in NSW have also risen. Syphilis has been re-established among homosexually active men in Sydney, and HIV-positive men are over-represented. The figures fail to account for the large numbers that seroconvert in Sydney and then have to move away because their poor health means they can no longer afford to live here. Or those MSM who seroconvert and never know it (only 24% of known cases tested because they became ill.) It's also complicated by many barriers to disclosure.

A couple of years ago, Garrett Prestage, a lecturer at the National Centre in HIV Epidemiology and Clinical Research, said that, in the inner-city area, 10 to 18 per cent of the gay population was HIV infected. In Lesotho in Africa, the rate was 20 per cent last year, UN figures show.
In 2004 in NSW, 954 people were diagnosed with HIV and nearly three-quarters of them caught the disease through homosexual contact. By comparison only 109 people in NSW were reported to have had the mumps last year.

"For gay men, HIV is a massive epidemic," Dr Prestage said. "If you are a gay man living in central Sydney, you are living with rates of HIV that are equivalent to sub-Saharan Africa." Following a backlash from the local AIDS industry, Prestage quickly backpedalled... :)

All of which puts the comment by acon President Orr, “It is testament to Stevie’s knowledge and leadership that NSW can now lay claim to being one of the few places in the entire world where HIV infection rates have remained stable,” into a completely different context. As with everything coming out of that place, I take it all with a large pinch of salt.

zebra-stripes said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Speaks for itself, really.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Indeedy, 1,300 people have learned some truths, 1,300 people are asking qestions about the shit they've been fed, 1,300 people have seen what happens to posters on samesame who don't suck up to acon, and seen that their comments to the Star will never get published, 1,300 people have seen the stories that only ONE glbq paper in this town has the balls to publish and 1,300 people have decided that there's little point trying to discuss these serious issues while anonymous trolls only want to turn the whole thing into a pussyfight.

And those 1,300 people are talking to another 1,300 people.

zebra-stripes said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Indeedy, 1,300 people have learned some truths, 1,300 people are asking qestions about the shit they've been fed, 1,300 people have seen what happens to posters on samesame who don't suck up to acon, and seen that their comments to the Star will never get published, 1,300 people have seen the stories that only ONE glbq paper in this town has the balls to publish and 1,300 people have decided that there's little point trying to discuss these serious issues while anonymous trolls only want to turn the whole thing into a pussyfight.

And those 1,300 people are talking to another 1,300 people.

It's 1294 page views. Not 1300 people.

Weird how you exaggerate all the time.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

you been hitting refresh 1300 times again zebby? :)
the number of people reading this forum is averaged by the number of hits, don't be so pedantic. LOL.

zebra-stripes said on the 21st Jul, 2009

you been hitting refresh 1300 times again zebby? :)
the number of people reading this forum is averaged by the number of hits, don't be so pedantic. LOL.

Squirm squirm.

It's not 1300 people.

Typical of you to twist statistics and the truth.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

there are currently 1,323 page views and 107 comments. Unless every poster has hit refresh a couple of dozen times, the figure indicates an awful lot of readers, hunny. I know from emails from Mark Orr that at least some of them are acon staff, but I doubt they all are, acon only has 150 staff (which makes their $7+ million wages bill a bit staggering.)

Anyhoo, chook'ums, like I said, I am not going to argue pussyfights, 1294 page views/1300 views...whatever. And heiffer, Hymen.

zebra-stripes said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Yes. I do believe it's far, far, far less than 1300 people.

1300 people is twisting statistics. The figure isn't even about people, it's about page views.

peeter

peeter said on the 21st Jul, 2009

haha, I can't believe this thread is still live!

I think it's more like 600 people viewing this thread, probably 10 people viewing it 30 times a day.

598 people who want to see how sick your ACON obsession really is Shayne
590 people who are too scared to put in their 2 cents in fear of you abusing anyone who doesn't agree with your ACON views
595 people who have better things to do than run off and bitch bitch about ACON.
598 people who have a LIFE!
2 TROLLS!

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Thanks for that, peeter. I've heard "fear of you abusing anyone who doesn't agree with your ACON views" before, in the last discussion of acon on this site. I state facts, with references and links to verify them. I don't believe you have read any of the above, have you? Thanks for your contribution, but for the third time, I am not interested in girlie squabbling.

peeter

peeter said on the 21st Jul, 2009

I've read most of the above but my eyes started bleeding at the repetition.

zebra-stripes said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Like boldly stating that this thread has been viewed by "1300 people". Really poor.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 21st Jul, 2009

haha, I can't believe this thread is still live!

I think it's more like 600 people viewing this thread, probably 10 people viewing it 30 times a day.

598 people who want to see how sick your ACON obsession really is Shayne
590 people who are too scared to put in their 2 cents in fear of you abusing anyone who doesn't agree with your ACON views
595 people who have better things to do than run off and bitch bitch about ACON.
598 people who have a LIFE!
2 TROLLS!

I love you :)

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

I said no such thing. You've made 19 posts in this forum so far zebra, all of them abusive, none of them intelligent, for the fourth and last time, I will not engage in the girlie fights. Welcome to

zebra-stripes said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Here's where you referred to 1300 people...

Indeedy, 1,300 people have learned some truths, 1,300 people are asking qestions about the shit they've been fed, 1,300 people have seen what happens to posters on samesame who don't suck up to acon, and seen that their comments to the Star will never get published, 1,300 people have seen the stories that only ONE glbq paper in this town has the balls to publish and 1,300 people have decided that there's little point trying to discuss these serious issues while anonymous trolls only want to turn the whole thing into a pussyfight.

And those 1,300 people are talking to another 1,300 people.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 21st Jul, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryVhaJnhLFE

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvh2zswznrg&feature=email

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Jul, 2009

Mr Mark Orr,
President
acon

Hi again Mark,

I've been reading with some amusement, comments you made lauding the achievements of acon and it's CEO: "It is testament to Stevie’s knowledge and leadership that NSW can now lay claim to being one of the few places in the entire world where HIV infection rates have remained stable. For that reason, ACON is now a recognised world leader in HIV education and prevention and there is growing international interest in our strategies and work." etc.

In fact, Garrett Prestage, a lecturer at the National Centre in HIV Epidemiology and Clinical Research, claims that in the inner-city area of Sydney, 10 to 18 per cent of the gay population is HIV infected. "For gay men, HIV is a massive epidemic," Dr Prestage said. "If you are a gay man living in central Sydney, you are living with rates of HIV that are equivalent to sub-Saharan Africa." (In Lesotho in Africa, the rate was 20 per cent.) A new person seroconverts to HIV every day on average. The rates have not improved for over ten years. There are about two-thirds as many HIV-positive men in NSW as in Victoria and Queensland combined.
http://www.find-health-articles.com/...prevalence.htm

Even these figures are estimates, they fail to account for the large numbers that seroconvert in Sydney and then have to move away because their poor health means they can no longer afford to live here. Or those MSM who seroconvert and never know it (only 24% of known cases tested because they became ill.) It's also complicated by many barriers to disclosure.

So I wonder if you'd agree that your assessment of your outgoing CEO and your organisation is a little 'optimistic'?

Pardon my presumption is addressing these points to you, but they seem to me quite reasonable questions, ones that any of those local journalists that published your media release as a news article might have asked you.

And as acon is naturally transparent and accountable, I'm sure you won't mind my publishing this correspondence online, I might at least get a response from acon that way.

very best,
shayne chester
http://www.shaynechesterstudios.webs.com

whatacon said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

A typical reaction of the aforementioned "brainwashed PC zealot" who has just been exposed by the beam of the headlight and who resorts to Orwellian doublespeak in a tawdry attempt to make it look like it is the truthseekers themselves who are loose with the truth about a petty statistic, the implication being that EVERYTHING else we state as fact must therefore also be untruthful. Typical. Why don't you just respond to the hard facts about your fellow Sydneysiders dying due to your organisation's corporate/criminal negligence and indifference, Zebra-stripes, instead of clasping to a dispute about page views/visitors? So frigging what if this page has had only 200 visitors, let alone 1300; the point remains the same, i.e. "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." But your time is running out as gay men everywhere are waking up and asking questions as a few valliantly expose the corruption, double standards and conflicts of interest that have allowed disease to fester unhindered in Sydney's once thriving and vital gay community, whatever statistical spin you seek to place on the facts. As Dr. Prestage said before he was gagged into submission, Sydney's HIV rates are comparable to those in Sub-Saharan Africa's. The truth speaks for itself and will continue out until there are no more hiding places, then the hoards of betrayed, outraged Sydney-siders will lay seige to Commonwealth Street and hold acon to account for its callousness and profligacy in the face of untold suffering. The day is coming.

whatacon said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

Yes. I do believe it's far, far, far less than 1300 people.

1300 people is twisting statistics. The figure isn't even about people, it's about page views.

Twisting statistics? Er, isn't that your department, Zeb?:D

zebra-stripes said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

It's very important. It highlights the way some people twist statistics to suit their needs. To make things sound more dire than what they really are. To unnecessarily build a case against someone; to demonise them.

Disguising a personal vendetta and hate as "community concern".

Christian Taylor

Christian Taylor said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

just out of interest, i've had a look at google analytics and neilsen net ratings, and the stats show that 305 unique browsers have viewed this thread. a number of them would have come back numerous times to check on developments. and if someone checks the thread from a second computer (home and work) then that would count as 2 people.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

LOL, well, the 'number of readers' is the last straw for these naysayers to cling to, whatacon. Flow on to my own website had an extra 300 hits yesterday. In zebraspeak, that's two people hitting 'refresh' 150 times. Personally, I think that a lot of people may be interested in learning a few truths about how the big end of this town revolves around the AIDS industry with all it's duplicity and scams. And anyway, I think it's safe to say there's been more interest here than all the bullshit in the SX articles:

Community honours outgoing ACON CEO
Comments (0)

or:

ACON CEO resigns
Comments (0)

:D

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

...and if more than one reader shares the same computer (an offence punishable by banishment, apparently) that really puts the 'anal' in your analytics, doesn't it?

Personally, I check for updates from time to time by refreshing the forums page
http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=1

seems like an awful lot of people are only interested exclusively in this thread.

Bren

Bren said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

Trustworthy moderator asks for real world contacts to establish true identity.

Forum poster declines, citing conspiracy theory and any other excuse he can dream up.

1 + 1 = Sock Puppet. QED.

Bren

Bren said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

Even the radio news has it worked out:

[...]

"The Queernoise [SIZE=3][COLOR=Magenta]cannot confirm reports that the Convicts’ appearance was the result of a collusion between ACON and the Sydney Star Observer to sabotage Gary’s case, because they don’t believe he represents the gay community. [SIZE=3][COLOR=Magenta]Nor can we verify that the convicts approached Clayton and threatened to spill the beans. [...]"

Which apparently becomes...

Or a two year old could [COLOR=Red]concoct it, as could an articulate adult male with an infamous ACON enmity and a personal hatred of Clayton in particular. Gee, I wonder which scenario is more plausible...

:D

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Jul, 2009

Attributing comments made on air by queernoise to me is a bit of a stretch, even for you, Bren.

The facts I referred to concerned a feature written by an acon board member and published by the Star, "It is not correct to suggest that by appearing on The Footy Show, the Convicts jeopardised Gary Burns’ proceedings against Channel Nine for anti-gay vilification,"

Stay with me Bren.

Nine's own Corporate Counsel, said before the ADB: "the appearance of The Convicts "reinforced Nine’s opposition to vilification or discrimination" and therefore... "Nine therefore submits that there is no legitimate basis upon which the [ADB] need pursue this investigation further”

Did you spot the difficulty?

It is a scenario which was inevitable...anyway,m we've been over all this a million times, you've come in a bit late.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Jul, 2009

Trustworthy moderator asks for real world contacts to establish true identity.

Forum poster declines, citing conspiracy theory and any other excuse he can dream up.

1 + 1 = Sock Puppet. QED.

Bren, some people share a computer at home. We call them "poor people." One third of our HIV+ are poor people. Some people share a computer at work. Some have access to dozens of computers at work. Some use the library or internet cafes. Some bounce their message off a computer somewhere else in the world using an ip proxy. Some have both a laptop and desktop at home. The ip address proves nothing. It's a piss poor excuse to ban acon critics. But I'm sure you knew that. :)

whatacon said on the 23rd Jul, 2009

It's very important. It highlights the way some people twist statistics to suit their needs. To make things sound more dire than what they really are. To unnecessarily build a case against someone; to demonise them.

Disguising a personal vendetta and hate as "community concern".

"Demonise" of course being a stock-in-trade term for the pathalogically deranged PC brigade. Afterall, we mustn't speak the truth about HIV/Aids and save a few ignorant gay men's lives now, must we, lest we risk "demonising" HIVers. Ditto meth/meth users. That's why truth has been extinguished by lies, deception, intimidation, slurs and obfuscation in acon-land, because it suits its warped agenda to keep the community disempowered and subservient to its might. And why trolls like you, Zebra-Stripes, are always lurking on these forums ready to pounce on any who still dare to speak it loud and clear. No doubt this is becoming a full-time profession for you. How sad.

And for the record, this section has now had close to 1700 visits - so stick that piece of truthful information somewhere the sun don't shine!

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Jul, 2009

somehow, when all the doubts have been dispelled, all the allegations proven, all the dolts finally convinced, I can see zebra still having this conversation, with himself, alone, in a motel room, with a bottle of Nembuttal. :)

zebra-stripes said on the 23rd Jul, 2009

Christian Taylor said the analytics recorded 305 unique browsers. Which can include individuals visiting multiple times.

Be as scathing as you like.... fact still remains, Shayne chose to misinterpret 1300 page views to be 1300 people to suit his argument. And the reason I am highlighting it is because that is indicative of his approach in general.

I mean, he's on here being bitter towards SameSame staff about their research into ACON. What a hypocrite, when he choses to misrepresent basic statistics.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Jul, 2009

Christian Taylor said the analytics recorded 305 unique browsers. Which can include individuals visiting multiple times.

Be as scathing as you like.... fact still remains, Shayne chose to misinterpret 1300 page views to be 1300 people to suit his argument. And the reason I am highlighting it is because that is indicative of his approach in general.

I mean, he's on here being bitter towards SameSame staff about their research into ACON. What a hypocrite, when he choses to misrepresent basic statistics.

'Unique browsers' is as meaningless as ip addresses when it comes to understanding who is reading this, zebra. Try and factor in multiple readers on the same comp, 'pass-along readership, the verbal discussions that flow on to social occasions ...and those who check for updates by refreshing the index page...and for that matter, check the accurracy of google analytics, I can refresh my own site and make no difference to the stats it give me. The point is that a lot of peopl;e are become aware, which can only be a good thing, despite your efforts. Your only purpose here is to keep the conversation going, and thanks for that.

If we can move on from pedantic and pointless arguments, is that compared to other forums here, acon discussions always arouse a lot of interest. I know from emails from the acon Prez, that they read it too, if not contribute anonymously.

As for Christian's investigative journalism, I nagged for eight months for him to publish his interview with Clayton. When it finally appeared, all the hard questions were met with "Ms. Clayton declined to comment." We sent him back with some further 'please explains' and never heard any more of it.

Now that Clayton is supposedly moving on, it all becomes history now, and no longer relevant anyway. The focus now is on the future, and, as per, on keeping the bastards honest.

zebra-stripes said on the 23rd Jul, 2009

Yes which means that 305 is probably a high figure for the number of actual people. Not 1300 people.

The actual point is you explicitly misrepresented "1300 views" to be "people" because it made you case sound grander.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Jul, 2009

the figure of 1300 was copy/pasted from the post by whatacon preceding mine.

what I said was...
Indeedy, 1,300 people have learned some truths, 1,300 people are asking questions about the shit they've been fed, 1,300 people have seen what happens to posters on samesame who don't suck up to acon, and seen that their comments to the Star will never get published, 1,300 people have seen the stories that only ONE glbq paper in this town has the balls to publish and 1,300 people have decided that there's little point trying to discuss these serious issues while anonymous trolls only want to turn the whole thing into a pussyfight.

And those 1,300 people are talking to another 1,300 people.

"1,300" is an indication. Translated, it means 'lots.' LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE BECOMING AWARE OF HOW THIS TOWN WORKS. Do you have cognitive difficulties? I will not discuss the question of 'how many have read this forum' further, it's ridiculous, LOL.

Rosso

Rosso said on the 24th Jul, 2009

Trustworthy moderator asks for real world contacts to establish true identity.

Forum poster declines, citing conspiracy theory and any other excuse he can dream up.

1 + 1 = Sock Puppet. QED.

“Trustworthy forum moderator?”

You must be referring to the one who thinks that my entire household and my housemate’s entire workplace, all of whom log onto SS via the same 2 lots of computers (I’m guessing with the same few IP addys), are the same identity. The reason Max would not give his phone number was stated: the moderator had proven so unstable and paranoid, not to mention biased towards those he had banned Max for criticizing, that Max did not consider his privacy safe with that moderator – I don’t see anyone from the pro Acon side of the discussion being asked for telephone numbers, and they would inevitably be posting from some shared computers.

As was also pointed out, providing a phone number is no more proof of anything than providing a new IP addy, which is done in a flash by downloading any common software for this.

Had Max wanted to continue on SS, he could have simply changed IP addy and opened a new profile. He didn’t because the forum has no cred and is clearly just another arm of the queer media fraternity that protects Acon in return for ‘advertising’ money.

Brendon, we’ve all watched your posts before over the years, you are just another chronic Acon brown noser and only usually turn up to attack its renowned critics. You don’t fool anyone.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 24th Jul, 2009

“Trustworthy forum moderator?”

You must be referring to the one who thinks that my entire household and my housemate’s entire workplace, all of whom log onto SS via the same 2 lots of computers (I’m guessing with the same few IP addys), are the same identity. The reason Max would not give his phone number was stated: the moderator had proven so unstable and paranoid, not to mention biased towards those he had banned Max for criticizing, that Max did not consider his privacy safe with that moderator – I don’t see anyone from the pro Acon side of the discussion being asked for telephone numbers, and they would inevitably be posting from some shared computers.

As was also pointed out, providing a phone number is no more proof of anything than providing a new IP addy, which is done in a flash by downloading any common software for this.

Had Max wanted to continue on SS, he could have simply changed IP addy and opened a new profile. He didn’t because the forum has no cred and is clearly just another arm of the queer media fraternity that protects Acon in return for ‘advertising’ money.

Brendon, we’ve all watched your posts before over the years, you are just another chronic Acon brown noser and only usually turn up to attack its renowned critics. You don’t fool anyone.

or

the so called theory that we all work for ACON is the crock of shit it is and we are actually individuals all with our very own separate IP addresses.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 24th Jul, 2009

I am Spartacus.

Who gives a flying fruit tingle? We all have an opinion, some of us interests.'

If someone chooses to remain anonymous, and with ID theft, blacklists, sackings of those that criticise acon, and all the problems with poison pen letters being circulated in the real world - who can blame them, then we just have to take what posters say at face value. The IP address bullshhit is nothing short of censorship.

zebra-stripes said on the 24th Jul, 2009

SX ran a great interview this week.

About the ACONs approach to ice, she said: "The feedback we were getting was that our drug and alcohol campaigns was unbalanced. We were very much approaching it from the harm-minimization aspect, which was quite valid at one time becaus of our drug campaigning started from a basis of running a needle exchange; it came from a very particular position of of harm reduction... It became clear that we outgrew this model and we readjusted our drug and alcohol services accordingly and I'm proud to say that they are really balanced now".

I think this is positive and very fair.

It's important to let people and organisations make mistakes, to adapt. It happens everywhere and I don't see why we can't let our own gay-specific organisation grow and change without us constantly trying to outright destroy it completely.

whatacon said on the 24th Jul, 2009

Now that Clayton is supposedly moving on, it all becomes history now, and no longer relevant anyway. The focus now is on the future, and, as per, on keeping the bastards honest.

History perhaps, Shayne, but never forgotten by those her damaging policies have afflicted. This highlights the sliminess of these NGO careerists. They can shunt from post to post and leave untold carnage and extortionate expense tabs in their wake, yet remain unaccountable because by the time the community has finally woken up and realizes how they have been conned and suckered, those responsible have long since legged it. Many assumed Clayton was at acon for life, but with more and more people waking up to what acon really stands for - i.e. its own self-promotion and interests - she panicked and came up with the lame excuse of turning 50, yet has confirmed she is staying in the NGO sector. If she had said she was leaving to explore her creative side, for example, she may have had more credibility, but she is simply switching greasy NGO poles, that's all!

whatacon said on the 24th Jul, 2009

"The feedback we were getting was that our drug and alcohol campaigns was unbalanced. We were very much approaching it from the harm-minimization aspect, which was quite valid at one time becaus of our drug campaigning started from a basis of running a needle exchange; it came from a very particular position of of harm reduction... It became clear that we outgrew this model and we readjusted our drug and alcohol services accordingly and I'm proud to say that they are really balanced now".

I think this is positive and very fair.

It's important to let people and organisations make mistakes, to adapt. It happens everywhere and I don't see why we can't let our own gay-specific organisation grow and change without us constantly trying to outright destroy it completely.

Zeb, she only made this admission, particularly with regard to crystal meth, AFTER most of the damage had already been done, and after reams and reams of evidence had been published on CAAMA to show that acon was out of touch with what was happening on ground level. Most importantly, she was finally - after years of denial and obfuscation -forced into a reverse gear when the Government itself conceded what acon refused to, and began its hard-hitting campaigns against crystal meth. acon could barely pretend to ignore the main source of its own funding now, could it. Had it not been for the work done by he likes of Shayne and Urban at community level, many in our community ignorant of the considerable and unique risks involved in using crystal meth compared to other drugs would still be walking into a public health disaster. Between 2001-2007 when acon did nothing, hundreds of Sydney-siders were physically, emotionally, spiritually and financially destroyed by this drug, and its anti-social properties contributed significantly to ripping the heart out of Oxford Street; the centre-point of our community. If that is not negligence on a near-criminal scale I just don't know what is. Indeed, now acon is acquiring corporate status, I would strong advise anyone who got sucked into that world while acon lavished taxpayers' funding on fripperies, junkets, pink champagne receptions et al to sue for corporate negligence.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 24th Jul, 2009

About the ACONs approach to ice, she said:

... a crock. Reported rates of methamphetamine use only began to decline after a year and a half of lobbying, TV appearances and publishing free education posters by the Community Action Against Homophobia in Sydney, a lobby that I co-chaired at our own expense.

Rosso

Rosso said on the 25th Jul, 2009

Which apparently becomes...

Or a two year old could [COLOR=Red]concoct it, as could an articulate adult male with an infamous ACON enmity and a personal hatred of Clayton in particular. Gee, I wonder which scenario is more plausible...

:D

It’s plausible enough to me that several of the posters are on here to abuse Acon critics.

Rosso

Rosso said on the 25th Jul, 2009

or

the so called theory that we all work for ACON is the crock of shit it is and we are actually individuals all with our very own separate IP addresses.

Of no consequence to me whether you are all working for Acon with IP separate or shared addresses (I would know you anyway), just as it’s of no consequence to me whether anyone imagines maxheadroom to be urban. However, for the record once more, maxheadroom is not urban (and I am neither of them) he is one of my housemates and I saw him subscribe to samesame after we both followed certain discussions with intrigue for some time. That is the reality one or two posters on here will just have to live with. And also, having worked for Acon myself, I can guarantee 100% that the samesame members there do NOT all have separate IP addresses, as they frequently share and interchange computer use, so I still fail to see what the issue is with max, but am capable of moving on from that silly conspiracy theory. I do agree with max, whatacon and shaynesydney (and previously urban’s various thoughts on other threads) whose views generally seem representative of the Sydney gay community I know. Even the Acon staff I know personally of similar mindsets about its directions of late, the crystal meth issue being of no exception.

Bren

Bren said on the 1st Aug, 2009

Translated, it means probably lots of people are seeing how you contend "this town works", among other things.

“Trustworthy forum moderator?”

[...]

Brendon, we’ve all watched your posts before over the years, you are just another chronic Acon brown noser and only usually turn up to attack its renowned critics. You don’t fool anyone.

Yep, mindless excuses with a twist of conspiracy rounded off by a character attack. It was to be expected. No, I understand why you don't want the forum moderator to make phone contact. It would confirm that he was correct. That's the only rational reason. I understand you want to cover for your sock puppet mate. No need for the confected indignation :)

It's evident enough to me that some posters are on here to instantly dismiss, by declaring their interlocuters as "ACON stooges", the rationality of anyone who questions their anti-ACON dogma and conspiracy theories.

Funny how you piped up about the time Urban got temporarily banned, Rosso and whatacon. As Shayne would say, WHAT A COINKYDINK.
[COLOR=White].

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 1st Aug, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJ8N9W7v6c

honest

honest said on the 8th Aug, 2009

Good riddance Stevie Clayton. There's an even better reason why she may have resigned that many of you haven't contemplated. You'll read about it soon :)

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