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Student Called Faggot ByTeacher

A year 11 student putting up posters for a gay rights protest at his school has been called a faggot by a teacher and has had his posters ripped down.

The student, Jimmy Y from Glen Waverly Secondary College had been putting up posters all week for the upcoming Equal Love Rally , a gay protest for equal rights in Victoria on November 28. According to Jimmy the posters kept getting ripped down. The culprit was finally caught in the school library, and found to be a teacher. When confronted about posters, the teacher (whose real name is ironically Mr Right) turned around and shouted at the student, “Faggot Kid! You don’t know what real marriage is!”

The confrontation took place in front of other staff and students all of whom began to gather around in support of the student, with some stepping in to diffuse the situation.

“The other students and teachers that were around were clearly as upset and outraged as I was,” Jimmy told Same Same. “Many of them came up to me afterwards and told me so. At the time one staff member actually called out ‘that’s totally out of line!’”

Jimmy Y is a politically and socially aware student at the school who has helped raise awareness on a number of issues aside from just gay and lesbian ones. Along with a hand full of other students, he joined a rally in protest of the war in Israel and the bombing of Palestinians earlier on this year. He has also helped raise awareness and express concerns about the governments treatment of the Australia’s aboriginal community. The school also has groups that actively participate in charities like World Vision. However, it was the Equal Love rally posters that resulted in his first ever clash. He along with five other students protested Mr Right’s actions the very next day.

The National Union of Students (NSU) have been quick to weigh in on the situation, issuing an immediate press release denouncing the actions of the teacher. According to the NUS, the Victorian Department of Education states that 74% of homophobic abuse experienced by young people occurs in high school.

“Our schools should be encouraging acceptance and diversity, not discrimination,” said NUS queer officer Heidi Claus. “Far from displaying the sort of pastoral care that our community expects, this teacher [Mr Right] has actively perpetuated intolerance and hate.”

Same Same also spoke directly with the principal of Glen Waverly Secondary School, Mr Gerry Schiller about the incident. According to Mr Schiller the abusive individual was not actually a teacher at the school, but a former teacher who was present on a temporary and volunteer basis to supervise certain school activities, including assisting the schools chess club.

“Jimmy, is an exceptional student with a social awareness and consciousness way beyond his years. He’s not just out to make a point or make waves, but he really is very passionate about his causes… he really does care, and I think that does need to recognized and commended.” Mr Schiller said,

“Mr Right is an older gentleman with values coloured by a very different time and perhaps religious beliefs too. Not that it makes his actions excusable in any way… it’s just a context. What happened clearly shouldn’t have happened. It’s unacceptable and inappropriate full stop, especially for any student at this school. And the school doesn’t support such treatment. In a diverse situation like a high school there will always be differences of opinion and such… between students, teachers, staff and even parents. Differences need to be respected.”

“In general I don’t think high school is really the best forum for that level of political activity… That being said, we do encourage our students to have a social conscience and to participate in causes. For example we have a World Vision group who work with that cause. I feel it is important for students to feel like they can express themselves if they feel the need to do so.” Schiller continued.

“When is the right age to start caring about what’s going on? Just because we are young or in school doesn’t mean we don’t care about what is happening in our world. It doesn’t mean we don’t have an opinion or that we can’t actively participate in our world. We are a lot more aware than most people think. All we want is a chance to share how we feel and contribute. We should be able to do that and taken seriously and respected,” Jimmy said in response.

Mr Right has since resigned from his volunteer role, saying that he was not going to return to the school. At the time we contacted Mr Schiller, he was still undecided on whether or not he would allow Mr right to return to the school, though that seemed highly unlikely.

The Equal Love Rally for Marriage Rights takes place on Saturday 28th November 2009, from 1pm.

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eurolad

eurolad said on the 16th Oct, 2009

In any normal democracy this vile individual would have been fired on the spot and prosecuted for hate crimes, but not in backward Australia it seems where he is even defended!

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 16th Oct, 2009

Should have punched the fucker out...I would have paid good money to see that happen...Queer boy putting the boot in on some evil cunt...

Christian Taylor

Christian Taylor said on the 16th Oct, 2009

great story travis - good to see he's resigned from his post. would have liked to have seen stronger leadership from the principal though.

urbanpitch

urbanpitch said on the 16th Oct, 2009

wheres the cage fighting trannys? they would teach him a lesson

shazzboy

shazzboy said on the 16th Oct, 2009

Eurolad you are an idiot! Prosecuted for hate crimes? I guess half of the people on this website would go to prison for all the insults against religion. The fact of the matter is people can have their opinions, but not to become violent(physical or verbal) with them.

Travis de Jonk

Travis de Jonk said on the 16th Oct, 2009

The principal wasn't really defending Mr Right. It sounds a bit like that in the article and perhaps I should change that. Schiller was actually more supportive of his students right to be who they are and express themselves. He's in a very tough position, having to take it from students, teachers and most tricky of all parents... all of whom have opposing views. From my discussion with him, he really is doing his best and doing things the right way.

eurolad

eurolad said on the 16th Oct, 2009

Shazzboy i suggest you go and inform yourself because in the UK and Canada calling someone a F.... (especially when coming from a teacher) is a serious offense and the police gets involved and all. And by the way that cunt was verbally violent and there were other witnesses and yet the poor student is not allowed to sue him. What a wicked country we live in!

eurolad

eurolad said on the 17th Oct, 2009

What is offensive to one person is inoffensive to another.
What is offensive to one person one year may be inoffensive to them in another.
People can be offended when no offence is intended.
People can choose to take offence when none was intended.
Its fashionable now to take offence on behalf of other people.
Its fashionable now to take offence on behalf of other people in other centuries.

So in your opinion people should be insulted with no consequences? No thanks, i don't think so. If that's the main position in this country, then i d rather prefer the USA where i could have taken the cunt to court and make him pay dearly

Interestingly enough if rather than using the F... word that vile man would have used some other words with black or jewish in it, people would be outraged and it would have probably made headlines around the world.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 17th Oct, 2009

Eurolad here is a little bit of advice for you...

Learn to fight and belt the fuck out of those people who pick on you for being Queer...only way to make these motherfuckers understand most of the time...

Otherwise HARDEN THE FUCK UP!

Most of us who have made it through to now have put up with shit and have gotten to be stronger as individuals...the hatred only strengthens my pride in who and what I am as well as fuelling my resentment for our heteronormative world that we live in.

I would have loved to have seen some people here (myself included) grow up in the 70s and 80s...I am sure we would have a completely different view on fuckwits yelling out "Faggot!" at us, as in water off a duck's back. People like Eurolad would have just been trampled underfoot if they stood there whining on about how they need government protection...

Eurolad understand this...THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU! They never have and never will and this can be seen in any country around the world.

eurolad

eurolad said on the 17th Oct, 2009

That's just terrible! i will not allow people to insult me and if this country chooses not to protect me and doesn't allow me to take those wicked cunts to court, i will need to find myself another country that does. The only time when those people will stop doing what they do is when they are forced to pay $$$$$ to their victims

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 17th Oct, 2009



OK Eurolad I will make this message clear and simple...if you cannot organsie to fight against homoph0bia here and just sit about paying out the country you live in then the alternative is simple...Get the fuck out and live somewhere else...

Where is your little utopia where the state punishes people who call other people names?

What about spitting in the street...that is disgusting isn't it? More unhealthy than being called a "Faggot!" by some moron. Where in the world would somebody have to pay a fine for spitting in the street? SINGAPORE! This is the direction where WEAK CUNTS like Eurolad want this country and society to go towards...the nanny state. If that is the case then you can go it on your own because I highly doubt most decent people in this country would want the government breathing down their neck everytime they did anything Eurolad disagreed with...

You will end up with a culture of litigation like they have in the USA and it gets you nowhere...just spawns more slimy fucking ambulance chasing lawyers who will bleed people dry to make a buck.

shazzboy

shazzboy said on the 17th Oct, 2009



I don't care what the rules are overseas, this is Australia. I do not want this country to go down the road of creating laws about 'illegal opinions/beliefs'.

Did you know you can to prison in the UK for not paying for a licence to own a tv? Its an actively enforced law, and you have to go through the whole court system to just prove that you don't own a tv! Does that sound democratic to you?

I agree the teacher should be removed, but no legal action is required. If he had used physical force or made threats then yes.

eurolad

eurolad said on the 17th Oct, 2009

I don't care what the rules are overseas, this is Australia. I do not want this country to go down the road of creating laws about 'illegal opinions/beliefs'.


Well done, let's keep this country the racist and homophobic place that it is. I will make sure that everyone knows around the world what sort of wicked place this is.

shazzboy

shazzboy said on the 17th Oct, 2009

'Wicked'

Were you born in the 19th century? Who else says wicked in its true meaning these days.......

blueterrace

blueterrace said on the 17th Oct, 2009

"....an older gentleman with values coloured by a very different time and perhaps religious beliefs too"

Gee, you reckon?!

River

River said on the 17th Oct, 2009



This made me laugh, very true.



Oh the irony..

DanM82

DanM82 said on the 18th Oct, 2009

Personally, I believe the principal should politely request that Mr Right not return to any of his 'volunteer' duties at the school. Even if it's only a token action it's still something.

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 18th Oct, 2009

Get the fuck out and live somewhere else...

Where is your little utopia where the state punishes people who call other people names?

What about spitting in the street...that is disgusting isn't it? More unhealthy than being called a "Faggot!" by some moron. Where in the world would somebody have to pay a fine for spitting in the street? SINGAPORE! This is the direction where WEAK CUNTS like Eurolad want this country and society to go towards...the nanny state. If that is the case then you can go it on your own because I highly doubt most decent people in this country would want the government breathing down their neck everytime they did anything Eurolad disagreed with...

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20090315/PaulineHanson-REUTERS.jpg

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 18th Oct, 2009

Dear poolboy jackson, I will assume this is a good thing!

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 18th Oct, 2009

There was nothing Hanson-esque in what I said...I am sick and fucking tired of dickheads who will just carry on and on about how we need to be able to have the right to sue the shit out of eachother because we are offended.

I am against the US style culture of litigation we are beginning to have in this country.

I am also sick to fucking death of fuckwits like Eurolad who will moan about this bullshit yet they wont organise any form of protest against this sort of hatred towards members of their own community.

He has admitted many times that he is going to go and live in Canada when he gets the chance or the UK because apparently the state would support a court case like the one he soooooo desires to see happen against this idiot "volunteer" teacher. He will go on and on about how much better it is over there and how he cannot be bothered to try to organise and protest against it here...it just goes to show what a lazy cunt Eurolad really is.

So I am just telling him to either fight it out over here and win those hard earned rights and freedoms or he can take the easy way out and fuck off elsewhere, where he claims it to be better.

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 18th Oct, 2009

There was nothing Hanson-esque in what I said...I am sick and fucking tired of dickheads who will just carry on and on about how we need to be able to have the right to sue the shit out of eachother because we are offended.

I am against the US style culture of litigation we are beginning to have in this country.

I am also sick to fucking death of fuckwits like Eurolad who will moan about this bullshit yet they wont organise any form of protest against this sort of hatred towards members of their own community.

He has admitted many times that he is going to go and live in Canada when he gets the chance or the UK because apparently the state would support a court case like the one he soooooo desires to see happen against this idiot "volunteer" teacher. He will go on and on about how much better it is over there and how they cannot be bothered to try to organise and protest against it here...it just goes to show what a lazy cunt Eurolad really is.

So I am just telling him to either fight it out over here and win those hard earned rights and freedoms or he can take the easy way out and fuck off elsewhere, where he claims it to be better.
It actually is better over there, though, at least as far as equal rights is concerned and that's something to praise while on the other hand Australia's hardly a paradise.

And really, you shouted get the fuck out at someone in a post oozing with wounded nationalistic pride while, in effect, dismissing bigotry (homophobia). Coupled with the fact that you rant and swear a lot then yeah, it was kind of Hanson-esque.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 18th Oct, 2009

It actually is
And really, you shouted get the fuck out at someone in a post oozing with wounded nationalistic pride while, in effect, dismissing bigotry (homophobia). Coupled with the fact that you rant and swear a lot then yeah, it was kind of Hanson-esque.

I am far from being a nationalist of any sort and I despise the state for various reasons.

The fact that I swear a lot should not matter at all I was merely expressing my disgust for a certain individual.

If you feel as if the state and society are homophobic organise and take direct action and affect change. Get yourself and other people involved in the campaign and don't be afraid to stick it out for a while because it wont happen instantly. It takes time and effort and Eurolad from all of his posts I have seen has not the desire to do this. This is why I suggested to fuck off elsewhere and leave all the hard activist work to those who feel like they can actually commit to a cause and campaign.

The 78ers and the rest of the Gay Lib movement in Australia didn't all just bugger off to Amsterdam or San Fransisco when things got difficult for them, they stayed and fought long and hard.

I was also criticising this bullshit notion of a litigation culture and stricter laws (like that is gonna change society's attitudes...pfffft), that is why I mentioned Singapore...you cannot even spit in the street there without being fined. With attitudes like Eurolad's the prisons would be full and we would be to scared to open our mouths out of fear of being sued or thrown in prison...what about Gay men who call other Gay men "fag" in the street...what if there is bad history between those two men and the other takes the other to court over it? Come the fuck on people...

I am not dismissing homophobia...I am dismissing Eurolad for being an imbecile.

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 18th Oct, 2009


Perhaps you could let him despise the state too, then?

Who knows what eurolad does in his spare time? Maybe he organises fuck Australia protests?
I was also criticising this bullshit notion of a litigation culture and stricter laws (like that is gonna change society's attitudes...pfffft), that is why I mentioned Singapore...you cannot even spit in the street there without being fined. With attitudes like Eurolad's the prisons would be full and we would be to scared to open our mouths out of fear of being sued or thrown in prison...what about Gay men who call other Gay men "fag" in the street...what if there is bad history between those two men and the other takes the other to court over it? Come the fuck on people...

I am not dismissing homophobia...I am dismissing Eurolad for being an imbecile.
Yeah, I think this bit is pretty much hyperbole. There's nothing bullshit about having hate speech laws and many countries do it without doing anything like the whole spit monitor thing. It's also especially important in environments where it can be viewed as sexual harassment, and it's not unknown for it to be regarded as such in a school situation.

And the idea of two gay men calling each other fag coming under hate speech law is ridiculous. We've already had rulings on cases like these where they've been defined to not be defamation or sexual harassment (unless other components were involved). There's not the smallest chance that this would come under hate speech laws.

eurolad

eurolad said on the 18th Oct, 2009

You are right Flaneur. Rudeboy is a despicable person who behaves in an appalling manner in this forum
- He insults people constantly
- He denies people the opportunity to express their opinions without being attacked
- He will mock and vilify you like the worst schoolyard bully

He keeps saying that people need to harden the fuck up..... So i guess he thinks that if someone gets beaten up they probably deserve it if they don't react

Go and tell that to all the Indian students who got brutally beaten up....

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 18th Oct, 2009

Oh cry me a river sweetie, I thought I was "wicked". ;p

I never said those who get beaten up deserve it, I do think people should learn how to fight back to defend themselves with the odd chance that they are jumped in the street.

I don't condone the attacks on Indian students and I understand and support the need for hate crime legislation however to take somebody to court for calling you a "fag" is really pissweak as far as I'm concerned. Sure if it lead to a suicide or anything of that magnitude I can understand that however if it is a matter of something that can be changed with education then I see no need for hate-speech legislation to extend that far...how many people hang shit on the Lebanese, Aboriginals or Asians and get taken to court for it and visa versa?

Education is the key to changing the opinions of the coming generation and the general public. If there at least was a mandate that schools are to teach their students about the LGBTI community or at least include same-sex attracted issues in "Health" (Euphemism for Sex-Ed) classes. There is also the need for GSAs in our schools. GSA for those who do not know stands for Gay-Straight Alliance, they have em' in the USA and they are run by students for students in HIGH SCHOOLS! They are peer support groups and are fucking important when it comes to promoting visibility of Queer students in schools. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THESE HERE?!?

If you want change start there...community organising and community education is more effective than some law that would require proof beyond reasonable doubt to prove it to have been broken so the affected party can get any justice.
How many victims of Queer bashing actually report it to the police or have it chased up by the police? How often do the police find the perpetrators? If the police cannot find somebody to charge then the law means nothing and it will be just another assault to be chalked up on the crime statistics.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 18th Oct, 2009



That's MR FAGGOT to you!

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 18th Oct, 2009


We do, actually, they're just not very good.

robbie

robbie said on the 19th Oct, 2009

Oh cry me a river sweetie, I thought I was "wicked". ;p

I never said those who get beaten up deserve it, I do think people should learn how to fight back to defend themselves with the odd chance that they are jumped in the street.

I don't condone the attacks on Indian students and I understand and support the need for hate crime legislation however to take somebody to court for calling you a "fag" is really pissweak as far as I'm concerned. Sure if it lead to a suicide or anything of that magnitude I can understand that however if it is a matter of something that can be changed with education then I see no need for hate-speech legislation to extend that far...how many people hang shit on the Lebanese, Aboriginals or Asians and get taken to court for it and visa versa?

Education is the key to changing the opinions of the coming generation and the general public. If there at least was a mandate that schools are to teach their students about the LGBTI community or at least include same-sex attracted issues in "Health" (Euphemism for Sex-Ed) classes. There is also the need for GSAs in our schools. GSA for those who do not know stands for Gay-Straight Alliance, they have em' in the USA and they are run by students for students in HIGH SCHOOLS! They are peer support groups and are fucking important when it comes to promoting visibility of Queer students in schools. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THESE HERE?!?

If you want change start there...community organising and community education is more effective than some law that would require proof beyond reasonable doubt to prove it to have been broken so the affected party can get any justice.
How many victims of Queer bashing actually report it to the police or have it chased up by the police? How often do the police find the perpetrators? If the police cannot find somebody to charge then the law means nothing and it will be just another assault to be chalked up on the crime statistics.


It's so sad to see everyone in this forum just attacking each other with insults. Why can't we have an interesting debate without all the name calling.

Rudeboy, you say above that education is the key to changing behaviours, but then further back in the forum you tell people to just beat the shit out of people that call you names. A bit hypocritical don't you think? Is a fist educational? Is violence really the answer?

robbie

robbie said on the 19th Oct, 2009

great reporting by the way Trav! :)

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 19th Oct, 2009


Rudeboy, you say above that education is the key to changing behaviours, but then further back in the forum you tell people to just beat the shit out of people that call you names. A bit hypocritical don't you think? Is a fist educational? Is violence really the answer?

If somebody physically attacks you then it is normal to react and belt them one to get yourself out of the situation...

Education is just another front we need to work on to combat homophobia...

They are two seperate issues all together.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 19th Oct, 2009



Never saw them or heard of them when I was going through High School...closest thing I go twas the Queer Collectives at Uni...

eurolad

eurolad said on the 19th Oct, 2009

I think the litigation system in the USA clearly provides an excellent tool to victims who wish to seek some sort of justice (other than imprisonment or as well as) So far hundreds of students have taken their schools, teachers, etc to court for discrimination and have won. Here on the other hand not only can teachers and politicians call you a f.... without any legal/criminal consequences but there is also no avenue to seek damages in civil courts.

This story is from a few months ago but it clearly shows how satisfying it must be for victims of homophobic bullying to get some justice at last

Lesbian student wins $25,000 payout over homophobic harassment

A lesbian student who claimed she was the victim of anti-gay harassment and discrimination at a California school has received $25,000 (£15,950) in a settlement.

Rochelle Hamilton, 16, said that during her sophomore year at Jesse Bethel High School she was forced to attend counselling group which told gay students they had chosen their sexual orientations and that they would find it difficult to get jobs.

She also alleges teachers commented on her appearance, denied her access to the girls' locker room and told her off for hugging her girlfriend.

On several occasions, she claimed teachers told her she was "ungodly" and "going to hell".

In a case brought on her behalf by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Vallejo City Unified School District opted to settle with stipulations that students and employees will receive more training regarding anti-gay bullying and with stricter procedures will be put in place regarding reports of such harassment.

Hamilton, who came out when she was 13, said: “All I ever wanted was to be able to go to school and just be myself. But I couldn’t do that when the people I was supposed to be learning from were judging me and telling me something was wrong with me. How was I supposed to learn when I was constantly scared?”

Elizabeth Gill, an ACLU-NC staff attorney who worked with the district on the settlement, said: “California school districts are required by state law to protect students from harassment and discrimination, including on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

“If a school district ignores anti-gay bias in schools, it is plainly violating both state and federal law. These laws are designed, in part, to ensure that all students are able to learn and thrive free from bias. When it’s left unchecked, harassment can take a serious toll on students.”

As part of the settlement, the school district accepts no culpability.

School district spokesman Jason Hodge said Hamilton's allegations were unfounded. "People all have different perceptions as to why people are saying things to you or doing things," he said.

Chancethegardener

Chancethegardener said on the 19th Oct, 2009

I agree with Robbie - violence is never the answer. Defending yourself against physical attacks, fair enough. But retaliating with violence at a derogatory comment thrown at you is way over the top. Sticks and stones.

I attended a catholic high school and although I wasn't out in high school a few things happened that gave me the impression that gay students would be supported by teachers. No one in my grade came out while in high school. We had several hardcore catholic families in our school, some with up to 7 or 8 kids. The large families were usually the more hard-liners. In one RE lesson, a member of one of these families in my grade suggested that aids was both god's way of punishing gay people and ridding the earth of gay people because they were 'unnatural'. The teacher flew off the handle. He pretty much berated the kid in front of the class, and when the kid tried to argue back, the teacher just cut down each of his arguments until he cried.

It was one of the most awesome school memories I have and even though I've never seen this teacher since high school, I always remember him with a fondness because of what he did that day.

Judgements on homosexuality were never made by teachers at any time when I was in high school. We even talked about gay sex in sex-ed classes which, for a catholic school, I've always found unusual. Maybe it isn't.

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 19th Oct, 2009



They're in existence, sporadically, it's just that schools/students are disinterested in the idea which itself is being led by a minute group of people. If you didn't have them at school then it's because your school and its student body couldn't be bothered (like most) not because they don't exist.

I also don't think the GSA groups are that useful here since our school culture is very different to the US where the burden of a lot of child development is pushed into semi-required extracurricular activities. That's why we have regional queer youth groups instead, which aren't explicitly associated with any given schools but I'm not sure how effective they are.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 19th Oct, 2009

Here on the other hand not only can teachers and politicians call you a f.... without any legal/criminal consequences but there is also no avenue to seek damages in civil courts.


Actually...if you ever read a high school student diary/record book (at least in Victoria since 2000/2001) you will notice that somewhere next to the uniform policies and other rules that there is a section on something called HARASSMENT. Sexual orientation and gender is included in these policies that the school stands by. If a student is to make a complaint about it then the school according to their policy is legally obliged to act upon it. So actually in the situation of Schools your argument is moot.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 19th Oct, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCA8zigOhtE

Interesting video from 2008

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 19th Oct, 2009


Unfortunately that isn't nation wide, from what I can recall, and I know NSW has more ambiguous policies regarding gender identity and sexual orientation which has resulted in a generation of teachers who are often unaware that there actually are some guidelines about what to do in cases of homo, bi and transphobia within a school environment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCA8zigOhtE

Interesting video from 2008

Hah, I think one of my cousins went to the Barranjoey school they interviewed that woman at.

Cool video.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 19th Oct, 2009



LOL... not for a Catholic School ;)

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 20th Oct, 2009

All teachers are guides for their students. If your guide in life is humiliating you with labels of abuse, I'm afraid for those students who are vulnerable enough to believe the abuse.

nickdisco

nickdisco said on the 20th Oct, 2009

Sticks and Stones bitches?

coast_boy_21

coast_boy_21 said on the 20th Oct, 2009



Shazzboy the fact is GLBT people are getting bashed all the time and it's practically impossible to stop, however we can try and deter people bashing us by having hate crime legislation, you see in some states in the USA if you get bashed for simply being gay (and its proven that was the cause) instead of being sentenced for assault the offender or offenders can also be sentenced under a hate crime as well as assault so generally the punishment for offenders is tougher. People's homophobic views encourage homophobia EG gay bashings.

coast_boy_21

coast_boy_21 said on the 20th Oct, 2009

Sorry but common sense suggests that if you are a teacher and you call a student a faggot - then they are going to be offended.

coast_boy_21

coast_boy_21 said on the 20th Oct, 2009

Eurolad here is a little bit of advice for you...

Learn to fight and belt the fuck out of those people who pick on you for being Queer...only way to make these motherfuckers understand most of the time...

Otherwise HARDEN THE FUCK UP!

Most of us who have made it through to now have put up with shit and have gotten to be stronger as individuals...the hatred only strengthens my pride in who and what I am as well as fuelling my resentment for our heteronormative world that we live in.

I would have loved to have seen some people here (myself included) grow up in the 70s and 80s...I am sure we would have a completely different view on fuckwits yelling out "Faggot!" at us, as in water off a duck's back. People like Eurolad would have just been trampled underfoot if they stood there whining on about how they need government protection...

Eurolad understand this...THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU! They never have and never will and this can be seen in any country around the world.

Here's the thing the government SHOULD be caring about us and attempting to prevent homophobic violence, you should not believe that they never will.......overseas governments are taking measures to prevent homophobia, just not Australia.

coast_boy_21

coast_boy_21 said on the 20th Oct, 2009

OK Eurolad I will make this message clear and simple...if you cannot organsie to fight against homoph0bia here and just sit about paying out the country you live in then the alternative is simple...Get the fuck out and live somewhere else...

Where is your little utopia where the state punishes people who call other people names?

What about spitting in the street...that is disgusting isn't it? More unhealthy than being called a "Faggot!" by some moron. Where in the world would somebody have to pay a fine for spitting in the street? SINGAPORE! This is the direction where WEAK CUNTS like Eurolad want this country and society to go towards...the nanny state. If that is the case then you can go it on your own because I highly doubt most decent people in this country would want the government breathing down their neck everytime they did anything Eurolad disagreed with...

You will end up with a culture of litigation like they have in the USA and it gets you nowhere...just spawns more slimy fucking ambulance chasing lawyers who will bleed people dry to make a buck.


WOAH.........man your in the wrong frame of mind. If you accept something, you start to believe it. Homophobia is preventable.

coast_boy_21

coast_boy_21 said on the 20th Oct, 2009

I don't care what the rules are overseas, this is Australia. I do not want this country to go down the road of creating laws about 'illegal opinions/beliefs'.

Did you know you can to prison in the UK for not paying for a licence to own a tv? Its an actively enforced law, and you have to go through the whole court system to just prove that you don't own a tv! Does that sound democratic to you?

I agree the teacher should be removed, but no legal action is required. If he had used physical force or made threats then yes.

LAW does not stop people having beliefs and opinions, and it never will.

shazzboy

shazzboy said on the 20th Oct, 2009



It criminalises people's beliefs/opinions which leads to resentment, underground movements and eventual violent public eruptions.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 20th Oct, 2009



Which is why it just doesn't mean shit...when dealing with people who are acting outside the law and bashing people for being different or just bashing them period then legality goes out the fucking window as far as I am concerned.

If hate crime law gets passed they yay however if you're being sized up and possibly attacked for being yourself then screw the law and go for something that will help you in that particular situation...learn to defend yourself from those types of people.

coast_boy_21

coast_boy_21 said on the 21st Oct, 2009



Sorry but I disagree, Ok we all have beliefs but part of the problem is some people have homophobic beliefs and they carry out there belief on other people. Also generally I feel people believe there beliefs and yes I have no problem with people and there beliefs, its only when they carry out there beliefs which is the problem. A hate crime law WONT criminalize people's beliefs it will instead be added protection for us when people carry out there homophobic beliefs which could be violence. I also feel some peoples beliefs make people feel unsafe, but I must stress I'm not against criminalizing peoples beliefs or opinions. Also a hate crime law is not just about protecting us GLBT people, it also protects people's race or religion or disability for instance, Ideal for the Indian or Asian students as an example.

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 21st Oct, 2009

Which is why it just doesn't mean shit...when dealing with people who are acting outside the law and bashing people for being different or just bashing them period then legality goes out the fucking window as far as I am concerned.

If hate crime law gets passed they yay however if you're being sized up and possibly attacked for being yourself then screw the law and go for something that will help you in that particular situation...learn to defend yourself from those types of people.
Huh? Shouldn't we just completely decriminalise violence in that case?

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 21st Oct, 2009



...no I said that assault can be combatted by the person being assualted with a form of self-defence be it bolting like the wind or breaking the assailant's nose or wrist...

If you have the chance of having a day in court with the assailant then hate crime law could come in handy but it will take more than that to change society's general attitudes, unfortunately that takes a bit of time and aggressive campaigning.

Flaneur

Flaneur said on the 21st Oct, 2009

...no I said that assault can be combatted by the person being assualted with a form of self-defence be it bolting like the wind or breaking the assailant's nose or wrist...

If you have the chance of having a day in court with the assailant then hate crime law could come in handy but it will take more than that to change society's general attitudes, unfortunately that takes a bit of time and aggressive campaigning.
So you have no objection to hate crime legislation, then? Just clarifying.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 21st Oct, 2009



Nope...I just think there needs to be more community campaigning with a stronger sense of vigilance.

That goes for all communities and all classes and whatever. I believe in law however the belief in the power and supremacy of the state is something that I cannot believe in or agree to.