Same Same 25 Announced

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Today Same Same announced the third annual list of the 25 Most Influential Gay and Lesbian Australians.

Click here to watch video interviews with some members of the 25.

Click here to see the full Same Same 25 list.

This year’s list includes high-profile names like Olympic diver Matthew Mitcham, medical practitioner Kerryn Phelps, performers Sia and Tim Campbell and MTV’s Ruby Rose.

There are also several firsts in the list for 2009, including the first posthumous award given to poet Dorothy Porter, and the first transgender female on the list, activist Stefanie Imbruglia.

The list is compiled from nominations by the Australian public. “It’s always fascinating to look back on the past twelve months at who has been influential,” says Same Same co-founder Tim Duggan, “and every year the breadth of influence continues to amaze us.”

From courtrooms to living rooms, the list covers a wide range of professions and includes former High Court Justice Michael Kirby and Australian Greens leader Bob Brown, the only two people to remain on the list for the past three years.

Other notable members of the 25 include the Choir of Hard Knocks creator Jonathan Welch, Oscar winning filmmaker Adam Elliot, drag queen Vanessa Wagner, and Nathan Hudson, the lead singer of Faker.

The motivation behind the list is to bring together a group of the most inspirational and influential gays and lesbians in Australia, shining a spotlight on people and issues that should be talked about and debated, while creating the next generation of role models.

The criteria for nomination in the Same Same 25 is that the nominated person must be an Australian citizen who has publicly acknowledged that they are gay or lesbian. They could be someone who has a lot of influence over a large number of people, or they could be a behind-the-scenes worker who is highly respected in their chosen profession.

Click here to see the full Same Same 25 list.

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shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

I really do understand where you are coming from Shayne. But just for the sake of arguement... couldn't the opposite also be true? isn't it even slightly possible that the people at Same Same actually want to shine a light on the community and that this isn't all just a publicity stunt? Couldn't it be true that event though this website has commercial realities like advertising etc, that this portal is still a vital and valuable voice?

That's all I'm trying to say. I think we all have been quite jaded by bad corporate activities of the past 10 years. Especially in the queer scene. But it's just not fair to tag every one with that 'nasty corporation' label. There is opportunity here for something fantastic. And best of all conflicting opinions can live under the same roof.

Like I said, Travis, I am not too much bovvered, but you asked a question ("Why can't we just celebrate something for once, without all the jaded cynical bullshit? ") so I answered it what the consensus outside this site seems to be.

Maybe you should send your question to Doug Pollard "Shame shame – 25 who do jackshit for us."

For me, I am not overly impressed by either this or the SSO when it comes to issues that I believe are crucial to community. I make no criticism of samesame when I say I think it prolly exists to push Sound Alliance products. I think that's fine, the problem is when it pretends to be something else.

I think we have to accept that there are sub-cultures and sub-subcultures, and samesame finds a niche there.

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009


Not true at all. I was never “banned for one month” for any given reason other than that somebody else’s regular SS IP address conflicted with my profile on one occasion of logging in.


Your *vocal diversity* is being heard & respected simply by the virtue of the fact you are still allowed to post here on Same Same & also the fact posts here are rarely, if ever, moderated.
Threads have only been locked sparingly: & sensibly so.

As everyone bothering to read the threads in question has observed, including parallel forums overseas whose participants were reading ours:

“I would advise all of those who are truly concerned about the dire state of HIV prevention and equally the denial and obfuscations of those supporting the HIV sector to take a look at this thread which is currently ongoing in Sydney -

In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda…”

http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas-matthew-hodson-hiv-prevention/

...threads have been closed only to gag certain facts concerning certain SS advertisers. Get your snout from up the moderator’s rectum, Asherbella, and get over your Queen Mother attitude. You're nowt. I've been around longer and I'm smarter.



Oh I see, so if you don’t agree with me/my liddle confab, don’t come here? That is your attitude to vocal diversity, Asherbella?

I'm simply making a point - and it's as valid as the point of others on here taking the same line. If your brain can't compute this most basic reasoning, then that sure ain't down to moi, honey.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



Urban Urban Urban

havent I told you boys to check websites before you quote them and dont cherry pick what suits you.

Firstly the site is no different than our own SameSame/SSO/SX News except its bigger and sure more people reading but hardly the International Coimmunity you so crow about.

The only person that should be embarrassed is yourself for your cherry picking.

Check it out everyone. Its quite good reading as well but no different to the slanging matches we have here.

Oh and just to cherry pick other letters how about these -

Mark C says:
December 1st, 2009 at 11:58 pm
At last, the truth comes out – and it’s not the conspiracy theory that everyone seems to bandy about, from the pages of Attitude, through to Boyz and Time Out. Hodson did well in this interview

Now this could apply to some here -

H says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Realistic view from Matthew. It’s just a shame that the full-time gay bloggers, by whatever name(s) they go by come out with this endless dribble. The professional gayers are even worse – AKA PB! Do they have nothing better to do?

Now where have we heard this line before ?

Marcus says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
It’s completely obvious that the obedient GMFA foot soldiers are out in force today!

Or this one is a beauty -

Nick says:
December 5th, 2009 at 4:35 am
I would like to bring some evidence into this debate.

New South Wales (Australia), where I now live, is seen as an example of HIV prevention at its best. Sydney has bucked the trend apparent in all other “gay capitals” around the globe – numbers of new HIV infections have remained stable or decreased over the last 10 years. Researchers and activists from other Australian states, USA and all across Asia are looking at the NSW model and trying to copy it back home,

Maybe the UK HIV funders should look at this model and see what works about it, and try to replicate the best parts.

Interestingly, what they will see are community based organisations putting out a range of messages that are similar to those of GMFA. Sex positive, honest and direct. No scaremongering, just clear, research-based messages.

The biggest difference that people will see, if they look at the reasons for sucess, is that the Australian community organisations have stable funding and work in partnership with clinics, universities and each other. The funding for HIV prevention campaigns in Sydney dwarfs the funding available in London, and the population is much smaller.

Check out the work of acon


And lastly we all know how Shayne loves to shove it in everyones face about the
Soho Live survey. Well seems like someone is questioning it and has a video up on it should anyone like to view it -

In the interview, he also questions the results of the Soho Live Survey – featured in Gary Leigh’s article on HOMOVISION – stating that such research may simplify HIV prevention campaigns: “I think the problem with some of the criticism recently, is blame culture
( Its a very long article but I just cherry picked the part I liked ).

There are plenty of posts for and against so anyone can cherry pick what suits them.
And also use some of the same phrases.


Now can we just leave this thread to be about the awards. Start your own thread maybe " The Shayne and Urban Opinions" thread.

And again. I'm not the one who is embarrassed. I do hope the International Community does read your claims.

Urban

Urban said on the 23rd Dec, 2009


Same Same is a balanced, comprehensive, multi-faceted website for everyone in the LGBTI community.
Pfft.



"Annoying, boring and highly strung"?

Butchya are Blancheya ARE.

Urban: There are limits. Respect them. If you slag off Same Same ON Same Same: what do you expect? "Oh, Urban you're so wonderful for spitting at me in the eye".
I would absolutely LOVE to meet you in person & do a psychological profile of you. Fascinating. Truly. I honestly have never encountered someone with such a lack of empathy or insight.
Asherbella, you presume way too much in thinking people give your opinions of character any consideration – particularly in respect to your sour-faced self-righteous opinions of them, personally? Others on here have noted your sanctimonious drivel on many an occasion. I too have never had much time for self-appointed personality attorneys, wannabe amateur psychologists or other such units with little else to contribute to forum discussions. Such is the classic deflection strategy of many a limp-wristed, lisping forum bogan with significant undiagnosed psych/personality issues they prefer to project onto others rather than acknowledge of themselves.

I simply don’t suffer fools easily Asherbella, that's what your gripe really is and, as one poster in the gay discussion forum in the UK has noted by reading this one (note what I've put into bold for your information on what impression our international peers get of gay Australians from seeing this forum):

1. I would advise all of those who are truly concerned about the dire state of HIV prevention and equally the denial and obfuscations of those supporting the HIV sector to take a look at this thread which is currently ongoing in Sydney -
In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda. One quote that sums it all up appears on page 7 -

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=13172

“Each new generation of young gay men is more ignorant with what HIV living entails, more flippant when it comes to discussing it and more blasé and cavalier about whether they catch it– as they are encouraged to be IMO. They then suck up valuable resources whining about having caught this erstwhile mysterious virus and not knowing how to deal with it, by which time they have to learn about it anyway because they’re stuck with it for life. If they’d known in the first place what they end up having no choice but to learn, a whole lot of seroconversions could be prevented. It’s the too comfy over-funded self-serving HIV prevention education bodies that are at fault here, first and foremost, for having only concentrated on preaching the condom use message with not enough reasoning or rationale as to why. They aren’t putting the health of gay communities first, but their own financing and careers. As long as the AIDS industry continues to thrive financially for as little initiative and effort as possible, that’s all it cares about. This is why that industry stands apart, in profile, from the philanthropic fields. (It is arguably exploiting and perpetuating ignorance for its own end means, but that’s a seperate debating point, really.) It nevertheless exploits the necessary taxpayer funding, it exploits the volunteers that do its lacky work while an overpaid underqualified elite core of prima donnas sit back smugly in overfaclititated abundance enjoying private catering, international travel junkets and queer VIP status, and it exploits and commodifies the HIV+ it has made way for by using them as begging bait for charity revenue and statistics for government funding eligibility. It’s all rather parasitic IMO. The actual HIV+ are then more often treated with an air of contempt and disdain by some of these key orgs who treat them like nuisances and seemingly see them as the garbage element of our communities.”

Deja vu?
http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas-matthew-hodson-hiv-prevention/

So pardon me for not having such a high opinion of something as facile as a SS 25.

There are more significant issues, they do get attempted, they are shouted down and SS does gag such comment by the lazy and censorial moderation ploy of simply shutting down such threads rather than editing out what could be considered offensive.

And pardon me for incidentally daring to overlap into such flippant off-topic territory as gay community health on such a weighty matter as the SS 25, but maybe when SS actually decides to allow threads on gay community health to remain open, this sacreligious crime won’t be necessary.

I do hope Santa cums down your chimney, Asherbella, it sounds like you’ve been in dire need for unbearably too long xxx

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 28th Dec, 2009

Pfft.



"Annoying, boring and highly strung"?

Butchya are Blancheya ARE.


Asherbella, you presume way too much in thinking people give your opinions of character any consideration – particularly in respect to your sour-faced self-righteous opinions of them, personally? Others on here have noted your sanctimonious drivel on many an occasion. I too have never had much time for self-appointed personality attorneys, wannabe amateur psychologists or other such units with little else to contribute to forum discussions. Such is the classic deflection strategy of many a limp-wristed, lisping forum bogan with significant undiagnosed psych/personality issues they prefer to project onto others rather than acknowledge of themselves.

I simply don’t suffer fools easily Asherbella, that's what your gripe really is and, as one poster in the gay discussion forum in the UK has noted by reading this one (note what I've put into bold for your information on what impression our international peers get of gay Australians from seeing this forum):

1. I would advise all of those who are truly concerned about the dire state of HIV prevention and equally the denial and obfuscations of those supporting the HIV sector to take a look at this thread which is currently ongoing in Sydney -
In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda. One quote that sums it all up appears on page 7 -

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=13172

“Each new generation of young gay men is more ignorant with what HIV living entails, more flippant when it comes to discussing it and more blasé and cavalier about whether they catch it– as they are encouraged to be IMO. They then suck up valuable resources whining about having caught this erstwhile mysterious virus and not knowing how to deal with it, by which time they have to learn about it anyway because they’re stuck with it for life. If they’d known in the first place what they end up having no choice but to learn, a whole lot of seroconversions could be prevented. It’s the too comfy over-funded self-serving HIV prevention education bodies that are at fault here, first and foremost, for having only concentrated on preaching the condom use message with not enough reasoning or rationale as to why. They aren’t putting the health of gay communities first, but their own financing and careers. As long as the AIDS industry continues to thrive financially for as little initiative and effort as possible, that’s all it cares about. This is why that industry stands apart, in profile, from the philanthropic fields. (It is arguably exploiting and perpetuating ignorance for its own end means, but that’s a seperate debating point, really.) It nevertheless exploits the necessary taxpayer funding, it exploits the volunteers that do its lacky work while an overpaid underqualified elite core of prima donnas sit back smugly in overfaclititated abundance enjoying private catering, international travel junkets and queer VIP status, and it exploits and commodifies the HIV+ it has made way for by using them as begging bait for charity revenue and statistics for government funding eligibility. It’s all rather parasitic IMO. The actual HIV+ are then more often treated with an air of contempt and disdain by some of these key orgs who treat them like nuisances and seemingly see them as the garbage element of our communities.”

Deja vu?
http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas-matthew-hodson-hiv-prevention/

So pardon me for not having such a high opinion of something as facile as a SS 25.

There are more significant issues, they do get attempted, they are shouted down and SS does gag such comment by the lazy and censorial moderation ploy of simply shutting down such threads rather than editing out what could be considered offensive.

And pardon me for incidentally daring to overlap into such flippant off-topic territory as gay community health on such a weighty matter as the SS 25, but maybe when SS actually decides to allow threads on gay community health to remain open, this sacreligious crime won’t be necessary.

I do hope Santa cums down your chimney, Asherbella, it sounds like you’ve been in dire need for unbearably too long xxx

Well, one thing I can say for you is you are very confident, extremely direct & you believe in the core messages you express. But embedded in this expression, I think, is a stream of spite at either being frustrated by your lack of influence/popularity; and this deficit hinders your efforts in being heard in terms of enacting change?

I just wonder if you see yourself as part of the gay community because you seem to cast yourself as the 'lone renegade' time & time again: that isn't a criticism, just something I'm aware of, I believe.

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