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Same Same 25 Announced

Today Same Same announced the third annual list of the 25 Most Influential Gay and Lesbian Australians.

Click here to watch video interviews with some members of the 25.

Click here to see the full Same Same 25 list.

This year’s list includes high-profile names like Olympic diver Matthew Mitcham, medical practitioner Kerryn Phelps, performers Sia and Tim Campbell and MTV’s Ruby Rose.

There are also several firsts in the list for 2009, including the first posthumous award given to poet Dorothy Porter, and the first transgender female on the list, activist Stefanie Imbruglia.

The list is compiled from nominations by the Australian public. “It’s always fascinating to look back on the past twelve months at who has been influential,” says Same Same co-founder Tim Duggan, “and every year the breadth of influence continues to amaze us.”

From courtrooms to living rooms, the list covers a wide range of professions and includes former High Court Justice Michael Kirby and Australian Greens leader Bob Brown, the only two people to remain on the list for the past three years.

Other notable members of the 25 include the Choir of Hard Knocks creator Jonathan Welch, Oscar winning filmmaker Adam Elliot, drag queen Vanessa Wagner, and Nathan Hudson, the lead singer of Faker.

The motivation behind the list is to bring together a group of the most inspirational and influential gays and lesbians in Australia, shining a spotlight on people and issues that should be talked about and debated, while creating the next generation of role models.

The criteria for nomination in the Same Same 25 is that the nominated person must be an Australian citizen who has publicly acknowledged that they are gay or lesbian. They could be someone who has a lot of influence over a large number of people, or they could be a behind-the-scenes worker who is highly respected in their chosen profession.

Click here to see the full Same Same 25 list.

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Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 19th Dec, 2009

"If nominated, I will achieve peace through war"

I'm one of those complicated, angry/broody boys.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 20th Dec, 2009

There seems to be some sort of dreadful mistake.

Where the fuck is my nomination.

Always the fucking bride's maid.

here ya go luvvy

http://www.islandofdolls.com/product_image/272.jpg

you've influenced me

dreadcircus

dreadcircus said on the 20th Dec, 2009

Awesome to see Stef get some recognition for her speaking out against the govt for trans people and she is the first official transgender person to be in samesame 25. Congrats to all :)

Travis de Jonk

Travis de Jonk said on the 21st Dec, 2009

Why can't we just celebrate something for once, without all the jaded cynical bullshit? This is a moment to be proud. The people on the list didn't 'campaign' to be on it. They are there because they actually 'did something positive' and the public at large nominated them for it. I can understand opinions vary on the people on the list, but to put down the list is to put down the work and achievements of some vital people to this community, and role models that we so desperatly need.

And as for the comments about the women balance. This 25 list isn't a balancing act that just pays lip service to be politically correct. It reflects the public nominations. Want more women on there? Then be sure to nominate them. People are slowly realising that there is a space for everyone here, and nominations each year are starting to reflect this site getting more national and inclusive. Remember, Same Same has only been around 3 years.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Dec, 2009

Why can't we just celebrate something for once, without all the jaded cynical bullshit? This is a moment to be proud. The people on the list didn't 'campaign' to be on it. They are there because they actually 'did something positive' and the public at large nominated them for it. I can understand opinions vary on the people on the list, but to put down the list is to put down the work and achievements of some vital people to this community, and role models that we so desperatly need.

And as for the comments about the women balance. This 25 list isn't a balancing act that just pays lip service to be politically correct. It reflects the public nominations. Want more women on there? Then be sure to nominate them. People are slowly realising that there is a space for everyone here, and nominations each year are starting to reflect this site getting more national and inclusive. Remember, Same Same has only been around 3 years.

Because many people think the awards are a cynical attempt to hitch the SS brand name to some star power and think its totally hypocritical to use the 'community' idea to do it?

Just sayin'.

They also think nominating the pop star Darren Hayes who waited ten years til no one cared before he came out, says it all.

For me, I am not bovvered either way.
ps. Gary Burns is delighted to have been nominated for Australian of the Year 2010.

Travis de Jonk

Travis de Jonk said on the 21st Dec, 2009

I really do understand where you are coming from Shayne. But just for the sake of arguement... couldn't the opposite also be true? isn't it even slightly possible that the people at Same Same actually want to shine a light on the community and that this isn't all just a publicity stunt? Couldn't it be true that event though this website has commercial realities like advertising etc, that this portal is still a vital and valuable voice?

That's all I'm trying to say. I think we all have been quite jaded by bad corporate activities of the past 10 years. Especially in the queer scene. But it's just not fair to tag every one with that 'nasty corporation' label. There is opportunity here for something fantastic. And best of all conflicting opinions can live under the same roof.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 21st Dec, 2009

I really do understand where you are coming from Shayne. But just for the sake of arguement... couldn't the opposite also be true? isn't it even slightly possible that the people at Same Same actually want to shine a light on the community and that this isn't all just a publicity stunt? Couldn't it be true that event though this website has commercial realities like advertising etc, that this portal is still a vital and valuable voice?

That's all I'm trying to say. I think we all have been quite jaded by bad corporate activities of the past 10 years. Especially in the queer scene. But it's just not fair to tag every one with that 'nasty corporation' label. There is opportunity here for something fantastic. And best of all conflicting opinions can live under the same roof.

Like I said, Travis, I am not too much bovvered, but you asked a question ("Why can't we just celebrate something for once, without all the jaded cynical bullshit? ") so I answered it what the consensus outside this site seems to be.

Maybe you should send your question to Doug Pollard "Shame shame – 25 who do jackshit for us."

For me, I am not overly impressed by either this or the SSO when it comes to issues that I believe are crucial to community. I make no criticism of samesame when I say I think it prolly exists to push Sound Alliance products. I think that's fine, the problem is when it pretends to be something else.

I think we have to accept that there are sub-cultures and sub-subcultures, and samesame finds a niche there.

Travis de Jonk

Travis de Jonk said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Like I said, the opposite could also be true.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



Dr. Martin Luther King wrote ‘Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter.’

I believe the mainstream perception is that samesame is an online community for a particular demographic, it's not deep, not political, it is what it is.

The problem arises when it believes that it represents the larger community. Clearly, that is not so, ergo, the response to the SS Oscars may not be so much cynical or jaded, just 'a check-up' from the neck up.

:)

Travis de Jonk

Travis de Jonk said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

a rose by any other name... still smells like cynicism to me.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



and maybe its time to wake up and smell the roses.

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



“This portal is still a vital and valuable voice?” Oh I think you’re overlooking all the times that SS has silenced discussion of vital community issues by closing threads with feeble hashed up excuses, when it has conflicted with SS's advertisers’ influence on here, while giving great space to the mindless and mundane.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Why can't Same Same just simply organize an event, competition or awards system & have the community appreciate the hard work, research & networking that goes on behind the scenes?
It's ironic. All of Same Same's detractors, after all their cynacism & sniping ARE STILL HERE ON-LINE after months of this drama (of their own making).
If you don't like Same Same or trust/like/respect their intentions they strive so hard to get out to the community - JUST SIMPLY LOG-OFF from Same Same & start up your own gay & lesbian website. It's not hard to do. Sheesh! Let's see if you can do a better job. No? Thought so.

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



Another pertinent question might be: Why can’t SS simply organise something for the community it thrives off, rather than the politicking and chronieism that goes on only to quash the true community’s vocal diversity in so many cases?

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

rather than the politicking and chronieism that goes on only to quash the true community’s vocal diversity in so many cases?
I remember Tim D banning you for 1 month.
Now you're back.
Your *vocal diversity* is being heard & respected simply by the virtue of the fact you are still allowed to post here on Same Same & also the fact posts here are rarely, if ever, moderated.
Threads have only been locked sparingly: & sensibly so, by Tim D.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

There is so much finger pointing in this thread, that after 30 seconds of reading, I start to feel like I am being finger fucked.

I like angry queers. I really do.
They are infinately more entertaining than those... A list television queers.

Why is it- that when queers get political, they turn their attention from the real "enemy" and turn on each other.

Is what Nietchze said true- that in times of peace- a militant man will declare war on himself.

I remember being this anti anti when I was a young man- but got over it.

"Years ago- I was an angry young man,
And I'd pretend I was a billboard.
Standing tall- on the side of the road.
I fell in love- with the beautiful highway!"- David Byrne.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

This thread is about reporting the results of honouring the deeds of good people.
Can we all agree that all the winners of Same Same 25 are deserving & can we all say that awards like these boost the morale, spirit & sense of community WE SO NEED TO PROTECT, NURTURE & APPRECIATE?
Please?
I'll beg.
I don't care.
I have no shame.
LOL

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



Jeeze .. tabs on yourself? i hardly think that you and shane qualify as the 'true community’s vocal diversity'.. :rolleyes:

Even though you two both profess you hate this site.. you spend so many hours a day on here!

You didn't answer Asherbella question, which was said very succinctly!

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

This thread is about reporting the results of honouring the deeds of good people.
Can we all agree that all the winners of Same Same 25 are deserving & can we all say that awards like these boost the morale, spirit & sense of community WE SO NEED TO PROTECT, NURTURE & APPRECIATE?
Please?
I'll beg.
I don't care.
I have no shame.
LOL

Exactly- it's awesome and promotes queer visibility.

Equality by all means necessary.

marky markywicz

marky markywicz said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

So pleased to see Kerryn nominated. I went to do so and was a day late, nominations had closed!

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Oh please fuck off you 2.

Any thread you join in on you dominate with your farking sarcasm and you start a bitch fight then blame others for starting it or blame SS for closing a thread instead of looking at yourselves as the problem.

The only sub sub culture is you 2.

Why must you always be so farking negative ? but please dont answer that question .
Not interested.

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009


Not true at all. I was never “banned for one month” for any given reason other than that somebody else’s regular SS IP address conflicted with my profile on one occasion of logging in.


Your *vocal diversity* is being heard & respected simply by the virtue of the fact you are still allowed to post here on Same Same & also the fact posts here are rarely, if ever, moderated.
Threads have only been locked sparingly: & sensibly so.

As everyone bothering to read the threads in question has observed, including parallel forums overseas whose participants were reading ours:

“I would advise all of those who are truly concerned about the dire state of HIV prevention and equally the denial and obfuscations of those supporting the HIV sector to take a look at this thread which is currently ongoing in Sydney -

In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda…”

http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas-matthew-hodson-hiv-prevention/

...threads have been closed only to gag certain facts concerning certain SS advertisers. Get your snout from up the moderator’s rectum, Asherbella, and get over your Queen Mother attitude. You're nowt. I've been around longer and I'm smarter.



Oh I see, so if you don’t agree with me/my liddle confab, don’t come here? That is your attitude to vocal diversity, Asherbella?

I'm simply making a point - and it's as valid as the point of others on here taking the same line. If your brain can't compute this most basic reasoning, then that sure ain't down to moi, honey.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

look at the list again- some really good people are nominated.
Should we not honor their contribution and thank them for their inspiration.

While you dont have to agree or like everyone on the list- how can you seriously knock someone as brave and as clever as Tobin Saunders being nominated.

C'mon boys- show a little grace.

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009




You see Oldie, yet again, we see only one abusive party - yourself.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



You see Urban.............. blaming everyone else. You both love to stir for the sake of it.

I did love your comment -

" In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda…”


Now thats been going for what 2 years now ? and its still 2 Sydney bystanders ?

You seem to have garnered a lot of supporters in those 2 years and got exactly where ?

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



Agree its good to see Kerryn nominated. Lovely person. She used to teach gym
classes at my gym about 15 years ago and had a massive following.

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Jeeze .. tabs on yourself? i hardly think that you and shane qualify as the 'true community’s vocal diversity'.. :rolleyes:

Even though you two both profess you hate this site.. you spend so many hours a day on here!

You didn't answer Asherbella question, which was said very succinctly!

Hazy, as you are well aware, there are MANY more “diverse voices” on SS than ‘me & Shayne’. The fact that we are the only 2 to stand up to your little village yokel posse mentality is all that gives you the shits.

(PS And BTW, I have answered Asherbella far more succinctly than Asherbella’s attitude warranted. Try to keep up, my little backwater chickadee xxx)

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

You see Urban.............. blaming everyone else. You both love to stir for the sake of it.

I did love your comment -

" In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda…”


Now thats been going for what 2 years now ? and its still 2 Sydney bystanders ?

You seem to have garnered a lot of supporters in those 2 years and got exactly where ?

Yes but Oldie, that wasn’t my comment – it was one made by people reading this forum from overseas – http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas-matthew-hodson-hiv-prevention/ - do try to concentrate – you are being watched by the world and making an ass of yourself as usual.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



The whole world is watching puh-lease. Just cause it got a mentioned on an overseas forum.

You do love to fluff yourselves up. The 2 of you that still is.

As I said 2 years and where have you got ?

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

:D And that wasn’t just “one ‘forum” reading your nonsense, that was the only one I gave a link to. Point is, you're not cognizant enough to keep track yet persist in gratuitously attacking people in your ignorance. As per usual. With constant petty minded detraction like yours, Hazy’s and sad old Ash’s, it ain’t no wonder the rest of the gay world laughs at gay Sydney as being a colonial backwater. Bring on Ellie May and Granny Clampett. (as for "fluffing your own feathers", erm, I think you'll find that this is what the SS 25 is about, not myself xxx)

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

But please go find a ACON/HIV thread and revive that for your information.

This is about the nominees not your AIDS Inc theories.

Anthony Mahera

Anthony Mahera said on the 22nd Dec, 2009


I also guess there would be more lesbians on the list if they actually contributed more to the GLBT community!

I agree................ Sorry but it's true.

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

But please go find a ACON/HIV thread and revive that for your information.

This is about the nominees not your AIDS Inc theories.

Have you yet again been hallucinating, Oldie? There is no mention of any AIDS Inc theories on here. This is about the nominees and posters’ reflections on such choices. Are you suggeting that people not kowtowing to this $$$ driven crap have no entitlement to any say at all on the issue?

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



its a shame that neither shane or you will listen to them ... you have both proven time and time again that unless they agree with you 100% your not interested! .. how is that diverse?

anyway.. this thread is not about how awesome you and shane think you are, neither is its the samesame top 25 troll list..

just think about it for a second..

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



No, no, no my dear Hazy, there are many other vocal ideas on here than the ones you and your tiny posse wish to perpetuate. The fact that a few have actually stood up to your village stocks tomato throwing attempts is neither here nor there. It’s actually you and your liddle posse of brainwashed yokels that seem to imagine your thoughts are sacred.
There is an imaginary ideological strength in numbers ...But an even more imaginary one in numbers comprising three or four sad brainwashees with blinkers on as to their own [wannabe]elite numbers.

Oh, and if we’re talking about forum trolls, Hazy, I can only refer you back to my original observation when you made that accusation:

Urban
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 859

Hazyinseptember
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,691

Owch.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



What the ?

even though its from an overseas forum and probably posted by one of you anway you posted -

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As everyone bothering to read the threads in question has observed, including parallel forums overseas whose participants were reading ours:

“I would advise all of those who are truly concerned about the dire state of HIV prevention and equally the denial and obfuscations of those supporting the HIV sector to take a look at this thread which is currently ongoing in Sydney -

In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda…”

http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas...iv-prevention/
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you just have to slip in something like this all the time no matter what a thread is about.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Obsessed -

having or showing excessive or compulsive concern with something

A compulsive, often unreasonable idea

the domination of one's thoughts or feelings by a persistent idea

Urban

Urban said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

*sigh* You see Oldie you JUST can't concentrate (or are you AGAIN deliberately trying to talk everyone in circles?) It’s utterly pathetic for you that this has to be repeated for the unnecessary purposes of clarification.

I had several times already tried to remind you that:



You see, if you are just too dumb to keep track of the discussion – go elsewhere why don’t you – people have better things to do than follow your little excuse for a mind in its futile circles.

As I have just repeatedly demonstrated, you are a global embrassment to yourself. You are actually doing me a huge international favour by your blatant dumbnesss.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Jeepers Travis, I think you should have just left this one alone, everyone was happy to just ignore your silly awards until you started calling them cynical and jaded.

Well, the SS list reminds me of the latest marketing ploy by the Catholic church downunder, to give Sister Mary McFliptop an award. Would you call anyone cynical and jaded for doubting she REALLY cured leukemia by just laying her hands on them?

So if ya really want to pick through the list, it's easy to rip to shreds, starting with the aging pop star who remained so far back in the closet he could prolly hear the bells of Narnia til he figured it was safe to come out.

At least you didn't put the Convicts on the list, that would have been as popular as the year Stevie Clayton got one.

So, enough with the bullshit, just try and understand, you are A community, not THE community, you are YOUR community, not OUR community.

The site basically is the same couple of dozen, not-too-well-educated web dwellers day in and out, with a couple of bright exceptions. It is to journalism as Donkey Kong is to chess; as the weather girl is to Meryl Streep; as Carmen Miranda is to Gore Vidal.

Pffft.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Obsessed -

having or showing excessive or compulsive concern with something

A compulsive, often unreasonable idea

the domination of one's thoughts or feelings by a persistent idea

"In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda…”

http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas...iv-prevention/"

I suppose you realise you just illustrated what the Brit observer was talking about, perfectly, Oldie. :D

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009


Your *vocal diversity* is being heard & respected simply by the virtue of the fact you are still allowed to post here on Same Same & also the fact posts here are rarely, if ever, moderated.
Threads have only been locked sparingly: & sensibly so, by Tim D.

A quick check, and the ONLY threads ever closed were those on HIV education, and of course, The Org. I think it's an important subject. I never see the point of LOCKING a thread, if a post is abusive, it should just be deleted. "Removed by moderator for inappropriate comment" or whatever. Besides, I'm always blowed how Tammy finds any of my post offensive, I do try to get the threads back on topic and focus on the subject at hand. Perhaps you can find here:

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=13266&page=6

where it "Shayne and Urban: you continuously hijack other people's threads to push your own agendas. It's just plain boring.

Congrats, another thread closed." was warranted?

Or here:

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=13259&page=2

Or here?

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=13172&page=12

I don't really care that much, its just that, demonstrable, for you to say, "*vocal diversity* is being heard & respected" is clearly a load of twat.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Oh please fuck off you 2.



Now, if *I'd* said that, Tammy would be in here with her big stick.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Agree its good to see Kerryn nominated. Lovely person. She used to teach gym
classes at my gym about 15 years ago and had a massive following.

I confess I don't know much about her, apart from becoming a very rich doctor with a chain of beauty shops, what has she done for community?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



That's just what we did a couple of years ago, Asher, when an issue arose that became important enough for us. It wasn't a site about anal bleaching, 'eyebrows - to pluck or not?' or 'Lady Gaga Fabbier than Danni?'

It was a 12 page resource, supoported by Family Drug Support, Clover Moore, MANHUNT.net, gaydar.com.au, Rainbow Recovery Club, The Luncheon Club, Life or Meth (London), Rebellion, Blakes Pharmacy, Holdsworth House Medical Practice, Ken's at Kensington, The Taxi Club, MANACLE, Freedom 2 B(e), Crystal Meth Anonymous, Anthony Venn-Brown, CAAH Community Action Against Homophobia, Rainbow Visions Hunter, Sydney Leather Men Pty Limited(SLM), Carlotta, Acceptance Sydney, The Wayside Chapel, SMART Recovery etc ..

WE thought it was important to counter the AIDS Industry's endorsement of crystal meth as a party drug. We were careful to present BOTH sides of the argument, here's the quotes page:

http://shaynechesterstudios.webs.com/quotes.htm

I don't fly my own banner, but I do like to think we were influential in creating enough knowledge out there for 1000's of guys and gals to make an educated decision about their party drugz.

That was the year Stevie won her SS Oscar I think.

...so you can see, there may be a little credibility issue here. :)

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

The thing is Shaney- all award are subjective.

No matter who the body is that is giving it away.

All awards are a circle jerk ceremony- Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for fucks sake.
Marissa Tormei won an Oscar for "My Cousin Vinny" - have you seen that shit!

All awards have a credibility issue cos they are usually organised by the "community" or the "group" they are aimed at. ie the Screen Writers Award etc.
Last I checked- florists were illegible to cast a vote at these awards- unless "screenwriter" was their first job.

You really discredit yourself greatly when you get so Anti Anti- cos people just percieve you to be a prick.

I should point out- that over the last few weeks- I have developed some affection for both you and Urban- but just because of your general angry kookiness as opposed to anything valid you may have said.

I do however share you hatred for that .... Kerryn Phelps creature. She is so half baked and cranky- I often confuse her with the Blackboard in Mr Squiggle.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 22nd Dec, 2009


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Get stuffed, they would do a fuck of a lot more if the men in the community weren't treating them like shit...like banning them from their venues or encroaching on their spaces amongst a few other things.

Gay men just seem to have this stupid inclination to carry on the heteronormative "boys' club" mentality with the notion that women (Queer or not) have an intimidating presence and would just dusrupt the status quo.

It's difficult enough that we have fuck all Queer spaces...so let's divide ourselves again so that not only is it Queer women being fucked over by general society for being female (and Queer) but then our own community does it to them a second time for being female..............Sorry but it's true!

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

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You really discredit yourself greatly when you get so Anti Anti- cos people just percieve you to be a prick.

I should point out- that over the last few weeks- I have developed some affection for both you and Urban- but just because of your general angry kookiness as opposed to anything valid you may have said.

I do however share you hatred for that .... Kerryn Phelps creature. She is so half baked and cranky- I often confuse her with the Blackboard in Mr Squiggle.

LOLZ, OBVIOUSLY I am not here because I am looking for popularity, or because I need friends. I keep stating my truth, as I know it. If everybody on the planet hated my guts, I'd still keep speaking the truth I know; its more important to me than being popular (which is easy.)

I have an inbuilt allergy for bullshit. So, I keep correcting it, when I see it here, or anywhere. Would you prefer that people published shit that was demonstrably wrong, and no one was allowed to correct it? Is that the kind of site you want? Is that the kind of community you want?

Sometimes the bullshit doesn't matter, as you say, awards don't mean much. I left this one alone til somebody started on the 'you're a jaded cynic' if you don't appreciate this, lark.

The BIG ONES for me are misdirection about HIV and the fugly drugz.

p.s. I don't hate Keryn Phillips, I don't know much about her, I just wondered what she has done for 'community.'

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

I know you are not here to be liked Shanyne.

Being "liked" is over rated and subjective as well. Just ask Willy Loman- things didn't end too well for him.

And the issues you mention are important and vital and need to be discussed.
Though you are entertaining and obviously very clever and passionate- perhaps just a smidgeon, not much- just even a light smear of courtesy when addressing some of the other posters would be nice.

As far as women being more active in the Queer scene I totally agree with rudeboy

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

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Get stuffed, they would do a fuck of a lot more if the men in the community weren't treating them like shit...like banning them from their venues or encroaching on their spaces amongst a few other things.



Um, historically, we have had lesbian heads running BGF (Bev Lange) , acon (Stevie/Heather Clayton) , the Sydney Star Observer (Stacy Farrar, Chief Editor) Mardi Gras (old and new) and many other groups. I am not sure there is an argument of 'an old boys club' - at least not in Sydney. Some of them have done / or are doing a fabulous job, Steph Sands is a personal hero for me.

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 22nd Dec, 2009


As far as women being more active in the Queer scene I totally agree with rudeboy

Ta!

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



Urban Urban Urban

havent I told you boys to check websites before you quote them and dont cherry pick what suits you.

Firstly the site is no different than our own SameSame/SSO/SX News except its bigger and sure more people reading but hardly the International Coimmunity you so crow about.

The only person that should be embarrassed is yourself for your cherry picking.

Check it out everyone. Its quite good reading as well but no different to the slanging matches we have here.

Oh and just to cherry pick other letters how about these -

Mark C says:
December 1st, 2009 at 11:58 pm
At last, the truth comes out – and it’s not the conspiracy theory that everyone seems to bandy about, from the pages of Attitude, through to Boyz and Time Out. Hodson did well in this interview

Now this could apply to some here -

H says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Realistic view from Matthew. It’s just a shame that the full-time gay bloggers, by whatever name(s) they go by come out with this endless dribble. The professional gayers are even worse – AKA PB! Do they have nothing better to do?

Now where have we heard this line before ?

Marcus says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
It’s completely obvious that the obedient GMFA foot soldiers are out in force today!

Or this one is a beauty -

Nick says:
December 5th, 2009 at 4:35 am
I would like to bring some evidence into this debate.

New South Wales (Australia), where I now live, is seen as an example of HIV prevention at its best. Sydney has bucked the trend apparent in all other “gay capitals” around the globe – numbers of new HIV infections have remained stable or decreased over the last 10 years. Researchers and activists from other Australian states, USA and all across Asia are looking at the NSW model and trying to copy it back home,

Maybe the UK HIV funders should look at this model and see what works about it, and try to replicate the best parts.

Interestingly, what they will see are community based organisations putting out a range of messages that are similar to those of GMFA. Sex positive, honest and direct. No scaremongering, just clear, research-based messages.

The biggest difference that people will see, if they look at the reasons for sucess, is that the Australian community organisations have stable funding and work in partnership with clinics, universities and each other. The funding for HIV prevention campaigns in Sydney dwarfs the funding available in London, and the population is much smaller.

Check out the work of acon


And lastly we all know how Shayne loves to shove it in everyones face about the
Soho Live survey. Well seems like someone is questioning it and has a video up on it should anyone like to view it -

In the interview, he also questions the results of the Soho Live Survey – featured in Gary Leigh’s article on HOMOVISION – stating that such research may simplify HIV prevention campaigns: “I think the problem with some of the criticism recently, is blame culture
( Its a very long article but I just cherry picked the part I liked ).

There are plenty of posts for and against so anyone can cherry pick what suits them.
And also use some of the same phrases.


Now can we just leave this thread to be about the awards. Start your own thread maybe " The Shayne and Urban Opinions" thread.

And again. I'm not the one who is embarrassed. I do hope the International Community does read your claims.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

I know you are not here to be liked Shanyne.

Being "liked" is over rated and subjective as well. Just ask Willy Loman- things didn't end too well for him.

And the issues you mention are important and vital and need to be discussed.
Though you are entertaining and obviously very clever and passionate- perhaps just a smidgeon, not much- just even a light smear of courtesy when addressing some of the other posters would be nice.

As far as women being more active in the Queer scene I totally agree with rudeboy

".. They do me wrong, and I will not endure it.
Who are they that complain unto the king,
That I forsooth am stern, and love them not?
By holy Paul, they love his grace but lightly,
That fill his ears with such dissentious rumours:
Because I cannot flatter and look fair,
Smile in men's faces, smooth, deceive, and cog,
Duck with French nods, and apish courtesy,
I must be held a rancorous enemy.
Cannot a plain man live, and think no harm,
But thus his simple truth must be abus'd
With silken, sly, insinuating Jacks.."

Richard III (1.3.47-50).

But perhaps you are right, I will endeavour to papsmear more courtesies.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

"it's so easy to laugh
it's so easy to hate.
It takes strength to be gentle and kind"
- Morrissey

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

The Oldie, with the utmost respect, may I please point out that you are being une peu deceptive again. As you know, one post on the forum from which you have selectively editted, was positive about the AIDS Inc. That post ("New South Wales (Australia), where I now live, is seen as an example of HIV prevention at its best. Sydney has bucked the trend apparent in all other “gay capitals” around the globe – numbers of new HIV infections have remained stable or decreased over the last 10 years. Researchers and activists from other Australian states, USA and all across Asia are looking at the NSW model and trying to copy it back home,

Maybe the UK HIV funders should look at this model and see what works about it, and try to replicate the best parts.") was not only untrue, and obviously posted by an acon staffer, but pilloried by every other correspondent on that thread.

However, I won't argue with you, it bores me and it bores everyone else.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

"it's so easy to laugh it's so easy to hate.
It takes strength to be gentle and kind"
- Morrissey

I LIKE that. And I DO take your point. Believe it or not, my fave quote from the last year was from the Dalai Lama: "My religion is simple. My religion is kindness."

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

The Oldie, with the utmost respect, may I please point out that you are being une peu deceptive again. As you know, one post on the forum from which you have selectively editted, was positive about the AIDS Inc. That post ("New South Wales (Australia), where I now live, is seen as an example of HIV prevention at its best. Sydney has bucked the trend apparent in all other “gay capitals” around the globe – numbers of new HIV infections have remained stable or decreased over the last 10 years. Researchers and activists from other Australian states, USA and all across Asia are looking at the NSW model and trying to copy it back home,

Maybe the UK HIV funders should look at this model and see what works about it, and try to replicate the best parts.") was not only untrue, and obviously posted by an acon staffer, but pilloried by every other correspondent on that thread.

However, I won't argue with you, it bores me and it bores everyone else.

Oh I knew you would pick up on that one.

Point is Shayne you both cherry pick sites for your own agenda when in fact those sites offer up posts for both sides. You make out the site is in agreement with you both.

And yes its getting boring . We all know what to look out for now in your claims.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Oh I knew you would pick up on that one.

Point is Shayne you both cherry pick sites for your own agenda when in fact those sites offer up posts for both sides. You make out the site is in agreement with you both.

And yes its getting boring . We all know what to look out for now in your claims.

Thank you for sharing, The Oldie.

In truth, the author of that three part series from which you have gleaned a few negative comments...on HIV education in the UK, and the man responsible for commissioning the survey that highlights the AIDS Industry's many shortcomings, is a dear friend of mine, Gary Leigh. He and I worked together for a year to build the highly successful meth education lobbies in both London and Sydney. And now our focus is on honest HIV campaigns. :)

Frankly, mr. Shankly, since you ask
You are a flatulent pain in the arse
I do not mean to be so rude
Still, I must speak frankly, mr. Shankly.
(Morrissey)

Tim D

Tim D said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Can we get back to the Awards now folks? Thanks.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Ya. Well I would nominate Tobin Saunders.
I have the an amazing amount of respect for this man.

I watched Celebrity Big Brother only because he was on it, and found him to be an outrageously brave and outspoken man.

I totally dig that!

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

If I'd been interested, I'd have nominated Carol Anne King, even though she's not bent, she could be an honorary queer. Last I spoke to her, she was having a very bad depression. :(

And Stephen Brady, Official Secretary to the Governor-General of Australia, Ms Quentin Bryce.

And Leigh Bowery... but he daid. He was a genius.

And if we're including peeps just cos they are famous, Cris Bonacci.

And Christos Tsiolkas, peter Tatchell, Anton Enus. James Gleeson (posthumous), Thomas McCosker (jailed in Fiji for sodomy), Missy Higgins (though her voice DOES gimme the irrits, at least she came out), Jessica Origliasso (not for being Lead singer in The Veronicas, but for being an animal rights spokeswoman), maybe Louise Pratt in the Oz Senate, Ian Hunter for being the first openly gay member of the South Australian Legislative Council, ...oh, I am sure there are lots of fabbo, successful queers, without having to dredge up the same rent-a-heads all the time.

Ooops, did I say that out loud?

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Well no use pissing over the current nominees if you couldnt be bothered doing your own nominating.

Bob Brown and Kerryn Phelps by two favourites.

Mister Piss

Mister Piss said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Lets just say I'd give that Matthew Mitcham some gold.

;)

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Oh I just noticed that this was the announced list.
oops.

I thought it was like a logie nomination and you had to vote one of those people as being the most influential.

I'm too old to keep getting this stoned.

I'll be shitting myself soon.

Well done Tobin then and Bob Brown he's kinda cool. Good to see a trans person on the list.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009



Well, I did say, "If I'd been interested,.."

I'm just not much of a flag hag, I guess.

Its just someone asked who would have been a better nominee so I made a few obvious suggestions, jot them down for next year, if you like.

I'm not even sure that 'gay' as a construct isn't redundant any more.

And as I said five days ago, "I think it is all a bit embarrassing, really. I think our real heroes are always going to be unsung." Community volunteers don't want medals or haloes, or

http://www.wpp.com/corporateresponsibilityreports/2007/images/impact/angels.jpg

nor do they work for position, exploitation, acknowledgment, opportunity, status, self-interest or financial reward. It is a selfless, unconditional endeavour because some of us actually care about others in our tribe and have a vague notion that we are all here for each other. That's what community means to them.

I suppose that's why I think the SS Oscars are pretty much bollocks.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

I think they are very pleasant.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

That's just what we did a couple of years ago, Asher, when an issue arose that became important enough for us. It wasn't a site about anal bleaching, 'eyebrows - to pluck or not?' or 'Lady Gaga Fabbier than Danni?'
Oh, precious!
Same Same is a balanced, comprehensive, multi-faceted website for everyone in the LGBTI community.
There are vexatious articles, silly threads, serious stories, current events, social reporting, competitions, reviews, editorials by Christian: everything is here!
You as an on-line member have the power to shape Same Same & read it the way you like; or not read/visit at all. Become a photographer, contributor, forum poster or silent witness to all that's here on Same Same. It's your choice, Shayne.
I know myself that if I was a seriously political keyboard warrior here on Same Same I'd be annoying, boring & highly strung.
Sometimes stories about eye-brow plucking serve the purpose of sharing light-hearted banter.
Why can't you appreciate light-hearted banter, even if for just a moment???

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Urban: There are limits. Respect them. If you slag off Same Same ON Same Same: what do you expect? "Oh, Urban you're so wonderful for spitting at me in the eye".
I would absolutely LOVE to meet you in person & do a psychological profile of you. Fascinating. Truly. I honestly have never encountered someone with such a lack of empathy or insight.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

...
You as an on-line member have the power to shape Same Same & read it the way you like; or not read/visit at all. Become a photographer, contributor, forum poster or silent witness to all that's here on Same Same. It's your choice, Shayne....

Been there, done that; had the article edited with content that was not true and that I did not write and had to face the publisher of the poor guy I'd interviewed who threatened to sue my arse.

So, on many levels, I feel disinclined to go down that road again, thanks anyway.

Also, done the 'become a photographer' thing, its my job, I've been recording queer Sydney for 20 years, one of the MG albums on SS last year was by yours truly...

http://shaynechesterstudios.webs.com/MG%25.jpg

http://shaynechesterstudios.webs.com/mg13.jpg

http://shaynechesterstudios.webs.com/Picture%20019%20copy.JPG

http://shaynechesterstudios.webs.com/mg8.jpg

... etc.

Still, we do, as you say, have the "power to shape" this and other gay portals and that is what I do, on issues that I think are important, like HIV education. Naturally, they are the ONLY threads that ever get locked, but at least the message gets out there to those who otherwise, might make a grievous mistake through pure ignorance.

Thanks for this time together, Asher.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Been there, done that; had the article edited with content that was not true and that I did not write and had to face the publisher of the poor guy I'd interviewed who threatened to sue my arse.
What is it that you would like to see happen?
If Same Same doesn't satisfy you, if it is a bad experience for you to be here: why are you still posting here?
You obviously have a meaningful message about HIV to deliver. You've done that here....many, many, many times. What motivates you to keep going as a forum poster of Same Same?
What is the benefit of you being here on Same Same at this very point in time?

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 22nd Dec, 2009

Been there, done that; had the article edited with content that was not true and that I did not write and had to face the publisher of the poor guy I'd interviewed who threatened to sue my arse.
What is it that you would like to see happen?
If Same Same doesn't satisfy you, if it is a bad experience for you to be here: why are you still posting here?
You obviously have a meaningful message about HIV to deliver. You've done that here....many, many, many times. What motivates you to keep going as a forum poster of Same Same?
What is the benefit of you being here on Same Same at this very point in time?

If you mean, why am I posting here (on this thread), it is, as I said, because someone said that if you're not on the SS Oscars bandwagon, you're 'cynical and jaded' and I thought that I should point out the many valid problems I have with them (see above), aside from obviously being the jaded and cynical old queen that I am. Prior to that, I was happy to leave this thread alone.

If you mean, why am I posting here (on this site), it is a gay portal, one of many avenues to communicate some education about a life-impacting matter that those charted to do so, consistently fail to do.

Why do I do that here....many, many, many times? Because the campaigns get sillier, the rates get worse, the responses here get more deceptive and because sometimes, guys need to hear something more than once for it to take hold.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

^^^
Ah, I see.
So your motivation is to highlight, deconstruct & re-assemble.
OK.
I just wanted to know the difference between you & Urban.
Now I understand you, Shayne.
Cool.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

If you understand me, can you please explain me to me? An essay of 5000 words or less should do.

But I'll give you an insight. When I first came to this town, on my own, at age 14, this community took me in and became my family. In the decades since I've been involved in dozens of campaigns for basic gay (and human) rights. Often I came into conflict with those in our community with an "All I See I Own" attitude, or those who thought their was some spurious status in climbing over others, like creatures crawling out of the primordial swamps to gain some position of advantage. The appalling politicization of HIV edu is a good example of how such people can work against community.

Many of the lobbies have been at considerable personal cost, not just financially. None of them were about me, but about the glbqti 'family.'

And if that is a judgement of Urban, I think you are mistaken. First in judging someone when you have no idea where they are coming from, and second in assuming his agenda is any different to mine.

After all, he or I could could just not care, let everyone find out the hard way about HIV or meth or etc...and spend our days in any of a 1000 more pleasant ways than buffering the abuse of these columns, it does take some dedication.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

I think you see yourself as having suffered a loss of sorts & in recovering that loss it is meaningful for you to lessen or absolve the suffering in others with your messages, however angst-filled & cynical they might be. That's essentially you. I think Urban has suffered too, but seeks to destroy rather than assist.
Anyhow, as this will be my last post on Same Same for 2009, I want to wish everyone a happy, safe & meaningful holiday season & a great new year.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

I think you see yourself as having suffered a loss of sorts & in recovering that loss it is meaningful for you to lessen or absolve the suffering in others with your messages, however angst-filled & cynical they might be. That's essentially you. I think Urban has suffered too, but seeks to destroy rather than assist.
Anyhow, as this will be my last post on Same Same for 2009, I want to wish everyone a happy, safe & meaningful holiday season & a great new year.

"Absolve"? Were you raised a Catholic? It has nothing to do with absolution, everything to do with prevention.

And no, it has nothing to do with my "suffered a loss of sorts" I am not a victim, thnx. LOLZ. Its about queers simply looking after each other, talking about stuff they should know about, countering the harmful education and its about our rights to honest information. If you see that as 'angst-filled & cynical' then perhaps the error may be with you, not me.

You're a counsellor, right? :)

HAPPY XMAS TO YOU AND EVERYBODY FROM ME AND PUSSY XXX

http://shaynechesterstudios.webs.com/xmas.jpg

Christian Taylor

Christian Taylor said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

wow shayne, you really do over-inflate things don't you? it's so melodramatic. nobody was going to sue you or us. i referenced another story in that dan matthews piece to give it more context, and that story turned out to have misquoted dan. i apologised for that error, and it was promptly removed. you've brought this up numerous times now, not sure why you are unable to let it go.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

Christmas is the time for forgiveness and good will to all men Shayne.

It's probably best not to anger someone called Christian during the festive season.

They have powers you know!

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

Hmmm maybe you could wrestle it out of your systems.

Let us know if you boys wanna make it a tag team event and Urban and I will join.

I of course already have the spandex suit

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

Minxy and Bearer v's Urban and Shayne.

How attractive the posters will be.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

LOLZ, it is so totally NOT an issue for me now. It was, at the time, because Dan was such a lovely guy and I felt bad that he thought *I* had made up that nasty story about him, as it was published in my name.

It only came up now, because La Belle Asher asked why I don't contribute to this site. I think if an editor does feel the need to embellish an interview, under your name, he could at least check with you first before doing so.

Urban

Urban said on the 23rd Dec, 2009


Same Same is a balanced, comprehensive, multi-faceted website for everyone in the LGBTI community.
Pfft.



"Annoying, boring and highly strung"?

Butchya are Blancheya ARE.

Urban: There are limits. Respect them. If you slag off Same Same ON Same Same: what do you expect? "Oh, Urban you're so wonderful for spitting at me in the eye".
I would absolutely LOVE to meet you in person & do a psychological profile of you. Fascinating. Truly. I honestly have never encountered someone with such a lack of empathy or insight.
Asherbella, you presume way too much in thinking people give your opinions of character any consideration – particularly in respect to your sour-faced self-righteous opinions of them, personally? Others on here have noted your sanctimonious drivel on many an occasion. I too have never had much time for self-appointed personality attorneys, wannabe amateur psychologists or other such units with little else to contribute to forum discussions. Such is the classic deflection strategy of many a limp-wristed, lisping forum bogan with significant undiagnosed psych/personality issues they prefer to project onto others rather than acknowledge of themselves.

I simply don’t suffer fools easily Asherbella, that's what your gripe really is and, as one poster in the gay discussion forum in the UK has noted by reading this one (note what I've put into bold for your information on what impression our international peers get of gay Australians from seeing this forum):

1. I would advise all of those who are truly concerned about the dire state of HIV prevention and equally the denial and obfuscations of those supporting the HIV sector to take a look at this thread which is currently ongoing in Sydney -
In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda. One quote that sums it all up appears on page 7 -

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=13172

“Each new generation of young gay men is more ignorant with what HIV living entails, more flippant when it comes to discussing it and more blasé and cavalier about whether they catch it– as they are encouraged to be IMO. They then suck up valuable resources whining about having caught this erstwhile mysterious virus and not knowing how to deal with it, by which time they have to learn about it anyway because they’re stuck with it for life. If they’d known in the first place what they end up having no choice but to learn, a whole lot of seroconversions could be prevented. It’s the too comfy over-funded self-serving HIV prevention education bodies that are at fault here, first and foremost, for having only concentrated on preaching the condom use message with not enough reasoning or rationale as to why. They aren’t putting the health of gay communities first, but their own financing and careers. As long as the AIDS industry continues to thrive financially for as little initiative and effort as possible, that’s all it cares about. This is why that industry stands apart, in profile, from the philanthropic fields. (It is arguably exploiting and perpetuating ignorance for its own end means, but that’s a seperate debating point, really.) It nevertheless exploits the necessary taxpayer funding, it exploits the volunteers that do its lacky work while an overpaid underqualified elite core of prima donnas sit back smugly in overfaclititated abundance enjoying private catering, international travel junkets and queer VIP status, and it exploits and commodifies the HIV+ it has made way for by using them as begging bait for charity revenue and statistics for government funding eligibility. It’s all rather parasitic IMO. The actual HIV+ are then more often treated with an air of contempt and disdain by some of these key orgs who treat them like nuisances and seemingly see them as the garbage element of our communities.”

Deja vu?
http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas-matthew-hodson-hiv-prevention/

So pardon me for not having such a high opinion of something as facile as a SS 25.

There are more significant issues, they do get attempted, they are shouted down and SS does gag such comment by the lazy and censorial moderation ploy of simply shutting down such threads rather than editing out what could be considered offensive.

And pardon me for incidentally daring to overlap into such flippant off-topic territory as gay community health on such a weighty matter as the SS 25, but maybe when SS actually decides to allow threads on gay community health to remain open, this sacreligious crime won’t be necessary.

I do hope Santa cums down your chimney, Asherbella, it sounds like you’ve been in dire need for unbearably too long xxx

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009



but back to the topic, I asked Gary Burns why he didn't want to be nominated:

"I would not want to be nominated for one of these awards because the work I do is not defined by who I sleep with. It is not that narrow. I find this whole concept quite embarrassing.


"My call for tolerance is for the whole community.
My work is bigger and more important than my sexuality.
My sexuality is not what I am,it is part of who I am.

"I would much rather be acknowledged for my discrimination and philanthropy work in Australia and not for my homosexuality."

So there's another viewpoint, in an un-edited mini interview. :)

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

How virtuous this Gary Burns sounds.

Lets keep our fingers crossed that he will deliver to us a new messiah.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

Oh, GB used to be all over SS news stories.

http://www.samesame.com.au/allabout/artist/3530/Gary-Burns.htm

I dunno if I'd call him virtuous. 'Larrikin' maybe.

Urban

Urban said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

Yes, until he actually joined SS, got a poster profile and was shouted off by the lisping bogan element condemning him for daring to speak out against the Sydney Convicts for their complicity with ACON in shafting his legal case against homophobia by Ch9’s Footy Show. (Can't say I blame him for deleting his own presence on SS). Oh, and I do recall even our very own professionally unbiased journalist Mr Christian Taylor joining in the anti-Burns/pro-Convicts-ACON caterwauling.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

Once upon a time, way back in 1978, at the very first Mardi Gras, when poofs and dykes were getting bashed and jailed by the cops for demanding all those rights you've always enjoyed, Gary Burns was among them. They are called, 'the 78ers.'

http://shaynechesterstudios.webs.com/mg7.jpg

Since then he has been a tireless fighter for gay and lesbian rights, suing 2UE/John Laws/Steve Price and giving all the money he got out of it ($20,000) to BGF. He's sued Jeff Kennett and Channel Nine's The Footy Show etc etc., always on his own, out of his own pocket.

So while you may think THIS site is a beaming ray of light for the glbqti community, doesn't mean you should put shit on someone with such a long history of achievements, just cos he doesn't want their Dolly award.

Its fatuous. :)

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

I was actually being sincere and think it was great that he took on the toothless lion that is the Footy Show- until the Convicts climbed on board and filled that lion's mouth with new teeth.

That was a really sad day for queer politics.

And while I was semi joking- It also took guts to take down John Laws.

Many would dismiss him as humourless or too stern- but I am often accused of the same - (I blame my dour facial expressions while completing sudoku's)

And I was being serious- maybe his lead will deliver unto us a new Gay Messiah.

"Some one to stand above the crowd.
Somebody to lead the way.
Someone who will die for me."
- Tool

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

The young queers of today- think Andy Warhol was a suitable role model.

Though he was a stupid racist hack.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

LOLZ. They asked me to be the new messiah, but I was doing my nails that day.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

The young queers of today- think Andy Warhol was a suitable role model.

Though he was a stupid racist hack.

Encore LOLZ. I never criticise 'the young queers' - I used to be them.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

I actually like them- they are awfully pretty and like good music- I just think they are a bit distracted.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

Many of them are quite pretty, though an awful lot of them are fat. I could never talk to a fat person, somebody I know might see me.

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

I like fat people

They make me look thinner

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

And anorexics are so sooky and cranky

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

I tend to hang out with fuglies cos they make me look pretty.

But I'm getting outta here now before I get told off by Tammy again. :(



Toodles.

shaynesydney

shaynesydney said on the 23rd Dec, 2009

btw., mazel tov Gary

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=195775#post195775

rudeboy86

rudeboy86 said on the 24th Dec, 2009

The young queers of today- think Andy Warhol was a suitable role model.

Though he was a stupid racist hack.

Just a pitty the Valerie was a crap shot...

I look up to Emma Goldman and Patrick Califia among others...

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 27th Dec, 2009

Pfft.



"Annoying, boring and highly strung"?

Butchya are Blancheya ARE.


Asherbella, you presume way too much in thinking people give your opinions of character any consideration – particularly in respect to your sour-faced self-righteous opinions of them, personally? Others on here have noted your sanctimonious drivel on many an occasion. I too have never had much time for self-appointed personality attorneys, wannabe amateur psychologists or other such units with little else to contribute to forum discussions. Such is the classic deflection strategy of many a limp-wristed, lisping forum bogan with significant undiagnosed psych/personality issues they prefer to project onto others rather than acknowledge of themselves.

I simply don’t suffer fools easily Asherbella, that's what your gripe really is and, as one poster in the gay discussion forum in the UK has noted by reading this one (note what I've put into bold for your information on what impression our international peers get of gay Australians from seeing this forum):

1. I would advise all of those who are truly concerned about the dire state of HIV prevention and equally the denial and obfuscations of those supporting the HIV sector to take a look at this thread which is currently ongoing in Sydney -
In it, two Sydney bystanders are fighting for the truth and supporting their arguments with corroborative data singlehandedly against an onslaught of rabid HIV sector trolls who are using the same deflective and intimidatory tactics to thwart all opposing viewpoints. Understand that in Sydney ignorance reigns and and it is this ignorance that the HIV sector feeds upon to advance its own agenda. One quote that sums it all up appears on page 7 -

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=13172

“Each new generation of young gay men is more ignorant with what HIV living entails, more flippant when it comes to discussing it and more blasé and cavalier about whether they catch it– as they are encouraged to be IMO. They then suck up valuable resources whining about having caught this erstwhile mysterious virus and not knowing how to deal with it, by which time they have to learn about it anyway because they’re stuck with it for life. If they’d known in the first place what they end up having no choice but to learn, a whole lot of seroconversions could be prevented. It’s the too comfy over-funded self-serving HIV prevention education bodies that are at fault here, first and foremost, for having only concentrated on preaching the condom use message with not enough reasoning or rationale as to why. They aren’t putting the health of gay communities first, but their own financing and careers. As long as the AIDS industry continues to thrive financially for as little initiative and effort as possible, that’s all it cares about. This is why that industry stands apart, in profile, from the philanthropic fields. (It is arguably exploiting and perpetuating ignorance for its own end means, but that’s a seperate debating point, really.) It nevertheless exploits the necessary taxpayer funding, it exploits the volunteers that do its lacky work while an overpaid underqualified elite core of prima donnas sit back smugly in overfaclititated abundance enjoying private catering, international travel junkets and queer VIP status, and it exploits and commodifies the HIV+ it has made way for by using them as begging bait for charity revenue and statistics for government funding eligibility. It’s all rather parasitic IMO. The actual HIV+ are then more often treated with an air of contempt and disdain by some of these key orgs who treat them like nuisances and seemingly see them as the garbage element of our communities.”

Deja vu?
http://www.homovision.tv/video-gmfas-matthew-hodson-hiv-prevention/

So pardon me for not having such a high opinion of something as facile as a SS 25.

There are more significant issues, they do get attempted, they are shouted down and SS does gag such comment by the lazy and censorial moderation ploy of simply shutting down such threads rather than editing out what could be considered offensive.

And pardon me for incidentally daring to overlap into such flippant off-topic territory as gay community health on such a weighty matter as the SS 25, but maybe when SS actually decides to allow threads on gay community health to remain open, this sacreligious crime won’t be necessary.

I do hope Santa cums down your chimney, Asherbella, it sounds like you’ve been in dire need for unbearably too long xxx

Well, one thing I can say for you is you are very confident, extremely direct & you believe in the core messages you express. But embedded in this expression, I think, is a stream of spite at either being frustrated by your lack of influence/popularity; and this deficit hinders your efforts in being heard in terms of enacting change?

I just wonder if you see yourself as part of the gay community because you seem to cast yourself as the 'lone renegade' time & time again: that isn't a criticism, just something I'm aware of, I believe.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 27th Dec, 2009

"Absolve"? Were you raised a Catholic? It has nothing to do with absolution, everything to do with prevention.None of your business, my religious upbringing. I am who I am, I choose the words I write & these words, while open for comment, are not a reflection of how I relate to matters of spiritual thought.
Point taken on prevention: much respect for your efforts, writings & such; but fishing for personal info is pointless - I voluntarily divulge the things I choose to discuss here on Same Same & my upbringing is not on the table for you to mock.

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