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Gay marriage opens uppolygamy, incest –Archbishop

The Anglican Archbishop of Sydney has warned his church’s followers that legalising same-sex marriage could lead to polygamy and incest.

Peter Jensen (pictured) wrote about gay marriage in the church’s Southern Cross newspaper: ‘’This claim for a right to be married could open the way for other forms, such as polygamous marriages or perhaps even marriage between immediate family members.

‘’Ensuring public honour of same-sex relationships by calling them marriages is an abuse of marriage itself,’’ the traditionalist added, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

‘’It imposes, through social engineering, a newly minted concept of marriage on a community that understands it in quite another way.’’

Not letting same-sex couple marry is not unjust, he concluded. “It is not even discrimination in the current sense of the word – but a refusal to call different things by the same name.”

SIMPLY WRONG

Jensen’s ‘slippery slope’ argument against same-sex marriage is a nonsense, agree Same Same’s favourite equality activists.

Proud mum to a gay son Shelley Argent responded quickly on Facebook to the story this morning: “Always seems to be the same boring arguments… polygamy, incest, bestiality… is that the best you can come up with, Jensen?”

National Convener of Australian Marriage Equality Alex Greenwich points out that the proposed amendments to Australia’s marriage act would still allow the Anglican Church to interpret marriage as they currently do, but shouldn’t limit other religions or civil celebrants from conducting same-sex weddings if they wish.

“I can respectfully assure Archbishop Jenson, that should the discrimination in the marriage act be removed, and the Anglican Church will still be able to interpret marriage in the way that his article suggests,” Greenwich says.

“The Archbishop would acknowledge we live in a multi-faith society, and as such he must respect that his views should not be imposed on those religions that want to perform same-sex marriages such as the Quakers and progressive Synagogues, or the civil celebrants who perform 67% of all marriages.”

Greenwich also pointed out that the Archbishop’s comments were not based on any facts or international examples.

“In all the countries that have allowed same-sex marriages to take place over the past decade, including Catholic Spain and Portugal, the alarmist predications of the Archbishop have not occurred.”

The Archbishop’s comments have also been criticized by people from across the globe, including Borris Dittrich, a former Dutch MP and now an Advocacy Director with Human Rights Watch, who remembers similar tactics being used in Holland 10 years ago.

“In Holland religious leaders tried to scare the general public by stating that same sex marriage would lead to accepting polygamy,” recalls Dittrich.

“These arguments were dismissed by the government. And Holland hasn’t seen polygamy in the 10 years after same sex marriage was introduced in 2001.”

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sjames6621

sjames6621 said on the 11th Jun, 2011

From the church of adoph hitler, sttill not excommunicated

From the church that gave us the hatred of the Jews ("christ killers")

which hitler leveraged to gain power and 55 million died.

From the church of the endless and HIDDEN molestation of children

This creep should long ago have gotten his due - to go to the dust from whence he came, dishonored, unwept and unsung.

The catholic church - go to www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm to see what it is about and how it protected life.

mark_

mark_ said on the 11th Jun, 2011

Dear sjames6621, this man is not catholic, but he is hated by many gay-friendly Anglicans at Christ Church St Laurence and St James Church Kings St

VladTheImpaler

VladTheImpaler said on the 11th Jun, 2011

i was more incestuous when i was straight. i have a brother (no sisters unfortunately).

blueterrace

blueterrace said on the 11th Jun, 2011

Yeah yeah yeah. And he, or at least his predecessors, feared women in the workplace, the end of the British empire, universal suffrage, and the divine wrath of an imaginary being who gets really angry if you buy a newspaper or kick a footy on Sundays.
I’m delighted to pleased to see that every year his church pews become emptier. But pretty unhappy that his tax-payer subsidized cultists are still allowed to promote their particular brand of bigotry in primary schools.

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 11th Jun, 2011

Jensen and his brother are two heretical evangelical extremists who are pretty much way out of touch with the majority of the Anglican communion. I'm very surprised that he is still the Archbishop of Sydney.

mark_

mark_ said on the 11th Jun, 2011



In that case you should complain to your MPs. The Feds voted recently to continue allowing the religionists coming in to the government schools.

Complain to the other churches. The Anglican church may have been our nation's state religion for 40 years but it is utterly lazy compared to the Catholics and the fringe churches

crazzymikey

crazzymikey said on the 11th Jun, 2011

I like boys....a lot! :D

the rubber man

the rubber man said on the 11th Jun, 2011

why does the church need to prosecute people for wanting same-sex marriage? it's not like its their marriage that is being prevented by law is it? i wonder how they would feel if they were in this position...

the rubber man

the rubber man said on the 11th Jun, 2011

:D same crazzymikey. but i also like girls the same amount. so many choices...

crazzymikey

crazzymikey said on the 11th Jun, 2011



lol well some people just have so many choices!

Cyclone55

Cyclone55 said on the 11th Jun, 2011

I'm all for this religious bigotry. It's killing off religion. Good riddance...

Virgindirk

Virgindirk said on the 11th Jun, 2011

is this guy fucking that wendy woman from ACL?

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 11th Jun, 2011

he looks like the pedo guy who gave the kid the bicycle on the chasers skit on "the secret"

ammonite

ammonite said on the 11th Jun, 2011

From the church of adoph hitler, sttill not excommunicated

From the church that gave us the hatred of the Jews ("christ killers")

which hitler leveraged to gain power and 55 million died.

From the church of the endless and HIDDEN molestation of children

This creep should long ago have gotten his due - to go to the dust from whence he came, dishonored, unwept and unsung.

The catholic church - go to www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm to see what it is about and how it protected life.
did you actually read the article? the first 6 words are "The Anglican Archbishop of Sydney has".
They're even in bold.

peter888

peter888 said on the 11th Jun, 2011

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/pspauld/BlogPix/blogpix2/bigots.jpg

Spooky

Spooky said on the 11th Jun, 2011

Did he think that one up him self or did some one have to tell him?

badamj2000

badamj2000 said on the 11th Jun, 2011

But its true. Its also causes lung cancer and ruins the roses.

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 11th Jun, 2011

In that case you should complain to your MPs. The Feds voted recently to continue allowing the religionists coming in to the government schools.

Complain to the other churches. The Anglican church may have been our nation's state religion for 40 years but it is utterly lazy compared to the Catholics and the fringe churches


I can't resist it Mark_ and I have to say it. Bloody Protestants! The only protestants I like are the Quakers.

blaah

blaah said on the 12th Jun, 2011

Jensen does'nt "fear" Gay marriage rights. What he fears is a loss of power and influence that allows him the status to peddle his bigotry as "religion" thru society.
After all, if he can't stop Gays having their full rights what's next? Full rights for women?

Mikey67

Mikey67 said on the 12th Jun, 2011

they should change their name to the AnglicanTs

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 12th Jun, 2011

I think his fear comes from many of the ordained women priests also being lesbians.

Spooky

Spooky said on the 12th Jun, 2011

You have hit the nail on the head blaah!

Gloomis666

Gloomis666 said on the 12th Jun, 2011

I think the mormons are into Polygamy, why doesn't he have a crack at them.

local_warming

local_warming said on the 12th Jun, 2011

this silly fool's (peter jensen) ridiculous views on the existence of an all-powerful sky fairy shouldnt be taken seriously, and neither should his views on the impact of gay marriage

POETICO

POETICO said on the 12th Jun, 2011

All you have to do is look at the guy to know he's a narrow-minded bigot. Religion is the root of most evil in this world. Gay people don't hurt children, polygamists do. Go to ->Banking On Heaven . Com if you don't believe me. Polygamy is evil and corrupt, just like Peter Jensen.

blueterrace

blueterrace said on the 12th Jun, 2011

Believe me, I have! Need more people to do the same. It annoys the crap out of me that religionists are tax payer funded to push their sects view on children. By their actions Xtians time and time again have proved they are our enemy, time to fight back.

owen84

owen84 said on the 13th Jun, 2011

I sent his office an email ("Dear Peter...") asking for the research on which his bases his argument. You can email his office and his COS and EA via their address at this link - http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/ministry/seniorclergy/archbishop_jensen - bombard their office, I say.

owen84

owen84 said on the 13th Jun, 2011

Dear Peter

Would you kindly point me in the direction of the research, which indicates same sex marriage "could open the way for other forms, such as polygamous marriages or perhaps even marriage between immediate family members"?

I would very much like to read this for myself as I think it is complete nonsense and your hateful and hurtful comments cause me distress. If the statements are founded in fact then I should probably take less offence but don't see the point in being less hurt by your vicious, uncharitable and less than christian comments if they're complete bollocks.

I do look forward to hearing from you.

Regards, Owen

Fahed

Fahed said on the 13th Jun, 2011

Ooh, slip in a mention of Holland and Canada and the fact that same-sex marriage has had no such effect. He'll love that.

Fahed

mark_

mark_ said on the 13th Jun, 2011

Don't waste your energy on this relatively uninfluential person. The only people who take him seriously are older than me and they will be dead soon.

There are ten letters in this today's 'Sydney Women's Morning Herald' mocking him for his "offensive and absurd rant"~

http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/jensens-samesex-rant-offensive-and-absurd-20110612-1fz35.html

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 13th Jun, 2011

I agree with Mark_, Peter Jensen is a not really relevant in the Sydney theological world. The only reason why he get's attention is that the media buys into his nonsense for sensationalism.

At least with his Eminence Cardinal George Pell he can back statements made with theological and social reasoning.

Jensen is just a quack.

mark_

mark_ said on the 13th Jun, 2011

Ash, now you are being provocative! I would say both have equal 'theological and social reasoning'. But, as I said back in post #7, the complacent Anglicans have allowed so many churches to break away from them whereas the Catholics have to threaten any nay-sayers with excommunication and damnation.

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 13th Jun, 2011

The Anglicans, like many protestants churches are true heretics.

The good thing about Catholicism is that is has kept true to many of it's teachings and practices and it's kept the church together as much as it can. Yes a few individual have strayed and they do have some groups such as the Neocatechumenal Way which are of serious cause for concern.

Unlike the protestants who like to fragment and switch sides on a whim. The Holy See knows how to keep the flock under control. Which is admirable.

mark_

mark_ said on the 13th Jun, 2011

http://helian.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/burning.jpg

Gloomis666

Gloomis666 said on the 13th Jun, 2011

The Anglicans, like many protestants churches are true heretics.

The good thing about Catholicism is that is has kept true to many of it's teachings and practices and it's kept the church together as much as it can. Yes a few individual have strayed and they do have some groups such as the Neocatechumenal Way which are of serious cause for concern.

Unlike the protestants who like to fragment and switch sides on a whim. The Holy See knows how to keep the flock under control. Which is admirable.

Is that the same as condeming the use of condoms to uneducated villagers in aids ridden Africa?

MrAsh

MrAsh said on the 13th Jun, 2011



When it comes to Catholic teaching I understand both sides of the argument. Personally I disagree with the churches stance on the use of condoms, since it doesn't take into consideration of human fallibility and some recent remarks by his Holiness have shown this.


When it comes to uneducated villagers in Africa, even though the Catholics aren't perfect in their ways. They are better than having some of these protestants doing their evangelical missionary work in these areas. I have learned over the years of how some of the protestant Christian charities use the 'conversion or no assistance' approach to their aid work.

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 13th Jun, 2011

the catholic church is the devils whore....

Gloomis666

Gloomis666 said on the 14th Jun, 2011

When it comes to Catholic teaching I understand both sides of the argument. Personally I disagree with the churches stance on the use of condoms, since it doesn't take into consideration of human fallibility and some recent remarks by his Holiness have shown this.


When it comes to uneducated villagers in Africa, even though the Catholics aren't perfect in their ways. They are better than having some of these protestants doing their evangelical missionary work in these areas. I have learned over the years of how some of the protestant Christian charities use the 'conversion or no assistance' approach to their aid work.

Well MrAsh I do not understand both sides of the argument.
I was also being specific to Africa when talking about the "no condom teachings", as far as their advocacey or condemnation of condoms in western countries it really does not have the stigma associated with it as it does in Africa.

I just did a quick google and Africa has around 1.3 million aids related deaths per year.
The world in total has 1.8 million aids related deaths per year.

So Africa accounts for over 70% of the world total.

Just let the whole Catholic thing go, anyone would think you went to church or some shit..

Anthony Mahera

Anthony Mahera said on the 14th Jun, 2011

I herd this saying a while ago which I love;

"If god hates gays, why does he keep on making them?"

chad_74

chad_74 said on the 14th Jun, 2011

the catholic church not only gets funding from its congregation but also the government which comes from taxpayers with all sorts of leanings.The only true way to reform that catholic church is to cut government funding and sack all politicians that are catholic as they are intimidated by the catholic hierarchy.
This is why the liberal party has become fucked up, abbott hockey and turnbull all catholics all controlling the policy.

Gloomis666

Gloomis666 said on the 14th Jun, 2011

the catholic church not only gets funding from its congregation but also the government which comes from taxpayers with all sorts of leanings.The only true way to reform that catholic church is to cut government funding and sack all politicians that are catholic as they are intimidated by the catholic hierarchy.
This is why the liberal party has become fucked up, abbott hockey and turnbull all catholics all controlling the policy.

The Catholic church IS the richest organisation in the world.

Correz

Correz said on the 18th Jun, 2011



Agree entirely. And the same goes for roman catholics who believe in the conclave of warlocks who mediate the wishes of the big sky fairy.

While organised religion needs to be understood as inherent to human nature it doesn't make its belief systems (I'm talking all organised religion) are more informed, plausible or real than fairy tales. Just because we might want it to be true doesn't mean it is true.

In fact most fairy tales at least have the authenticity that they make no claims that the events that they describe actually occurred.

The reality it that Jensen and his arch-conservative, unrepresentative ilk, not only further alienate non-believers (like myself), but they also alienate many within the Anglican community, who increasingly do not regard him as a credible leader.

astrodavid

astrodavid said on the 11th Sep, 2012

maybe he should be preaching that being a father, cardinal or bishop in the catholic church leads to pedophilia and indecent assualt on youth . But no as thats the truth and all he can talk about is lies and has no proof to support his claims. I have the proof does he no.

dougster

dougster said on the 11th Sep, 2012

I herd this saying a while ago which I love;

"If god hates gays, why does he keep on making them?"


thats th most sensible thing ive read.

warbboys

warbboys said on the 11th Sep, 2012

As the comment on Q & A flashed across the screen last night it reminded me of the history of the angligan church, the angligan church believes in the sacredness of marriage. Is it true that the angligan church was founded by king henry 8th because the catholic church would not grant him a divorce.

The_Freak

The_Freak said on the 11th Sep, 2012



Yes, it was previously known as "The Church Of England" and yes was basically founded when Henry v111 couldn't get a divorce/annulment from Catherine Of Aragon to marry Anne Boleyn and as we all know ...... when he was tired of poor old Anne then she was beheaded at 34-35yrs, so Henry could marry Jane Seymour (not the actress, BTW).

So it's only been around since the 1500s. Relatively new, you could say! :D:D





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guynextdoor

guynextdoor said on the 11th Sep, 2012

Is it me or has there been a lot of talk about LGBTI issues in the mainstream press lately? Gay marriage, anti-homophobic ads, Akermanis saying "who cares". Its like everyday there is a mention in smh headline

badamj2000

badamj2000 said on the 11th Sep, 2012

Yes, it was previously known as "The Church Of England" and yes was basically founded when Henry v111 couldn't get a divorce/annulment from Catherine Of Aragon to marry Anne Boleyn and as we all know ...... when he was tired of poor old Anne then she was beheaded at 34-35yrs, so Henry could marry Jane Seymour (not the actress, BTW).

So it's only been around since the 1500s. Relatively new, you could say! :D:D



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Dont tell Luther..

The_Freak

The_Freak said on the 11th Sep, 2012





Is that a) Luther the British TV drama b) Luther Vandross or c) Martin Luther, Mr Badamj2000?



Of course you can always have what's behind curtain no 4! .........:p :D




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mark_

mark_ said on the 11th Sep, 2012



Yes, the SMH and the ABC have adopted us as their pet de jour just like those celebrities buy 3rd world children.

badamj2000

badamj2000 said on the 11th Sep, 2012

Oh M, will anyone ever gay-marry me? Will I die alone and embittered?

badamj2000

badamj2000 said on the 11th Sep, 2012

Is that a) Luther the British TV drama b) Luther Vandross or c) Martin Luther, Mr Badamj2000?



Of course you can always have what's behind curtain no 4! .........:p :D




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May I phone a friend?

The_Freak

The_Freak said on the 11th Sep, 2012





http://www.mikesfreegifs.com/main4/artsycutesy/phone.gif Certainly can, Mr Badamj2000! :D:D

badamj2000

badamj2000 said on the 11th Sep, 2012

Thank you again young man whomever you are....:)