No gays, no lesbians? MardiGras rebrand sparks anger

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Some of Mardi Gras’ biggest long-time supporters are incensed that Sydney Mardi Gras’ new name and look doesn’t include the words ‘Gay and Lesbian’.

The annual event’s new logo and plans for the 2012 season were unveiled yesterday, and while many welcomed the new logo and guest act announcements, many others were concerned over dropping the event’s traditional title ‘Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras’ down to ‘Sydney Mardi Gras’.

Former Mardi Gras President Richard Cobden has been particularly vocal. “This morning’s Sydney Morning Herald front page sums it up: Mardi Gras goes straight,” he tells Same Same.

“Neither the organisation, and especially not this Board or staff, had any permission or mandate to make Mardi Gras straight. [Mardi Gras Chair] Peter Urmson says ‘this is our gift to the city’. It was not his to give.”

The most immediate and visible result of what they have done will be to remove the most frequent, favourable, beneficial and powerful uses of the words ‘gay and lesbian’, Cobden adds. “For 20-plus years we have been able to force the mainstream media to call it the GAY AND LESBIAN MARDI GRAS. They had to say the words. For a long time they did not want to but we made them. That has been thrown away.”

For years it has been a condition of non-GLBTIQ organisations and businesses that, if allowed in at all, they must give an explicit message of support to the gay and lesbian community, he points out. “Even major sponsors had to do that. How can the organisation possibly ask for that now when they themselves have dropped an explicit gay and lesbian message?

“Finally, sponsors had to use the words ‘gay and lesbian’ when associating themselves with Mardi Gras. Making them do so was a powerful force for liberation. Now they don’t have to use those words. Easier for marketing people to get sponsorship dollars and keep their jobs; a big step backwards for gay and lesbian rights.”

Cobden concludes: “Had they properly consulted all of these appalling ramifications might have occurred to them. This decision has to be reversed immediately.”

Several comments here on Same Same also highlight how many potential festival-goers are disgruntled with Mardi Gras’ new name. “What’s the point of all this if we exclude the two words that mean the most to the purpose or reason for the organisation’s existence?” typed one. “It erases the gay and lesbian protest history of how this amazing event founded itself and who it celebrates,” summed up another.

“To me it seems like they are saying ‘it’s ok to be gay and lesbian behind the scenes, but not in public’. Who would have thought that Mardi Gras would go back in the closet?”

Next page: Mardi Gras responds to the community’s concerns…

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lordpats

lordpats said on the 18th Nov, 2011

SGLMG needs to make a strong statement. It cannot do this without being explicitly celebrating queer sexuality. It is true that the terms 'gay' and 'lesbian' exclude, but even these terms sent a stronger message than removing any reference to queers. When legal discrimination still needs to be fought, and a strong statement made to assist queer youth, is creating a parade that celebrates being straight as much as being gay really the responsible direction? Straight people don't need a parade- they don't face legal discrimination and their youth aren't in danger because of their sexuality- every day is a 'parade' of heterosexuality.

People refer to the London Pride and NY Pride- both these refer to queer people through their use of the word 'pride'. Crucially, this parade does not celebrate straight people- it allows them to celebrate our sexuality. For most of these supportive straight people, the terms 'gay' and 'lesbian' did not deter or exclude them- it was the reason they came.

The terms 'gay' and 'lesbian' did exclude transgendered, transsexual and intersex people. But at no point have they been excluded from the parade itself. The terms 'gay' and 'lesbian' existed to send a strong message to homophobes that this was a night for our community proclaim our sexuality as legitimate. The average homophobe doesn't know much about transgendered, transexual and intersex people- he just lumps us all together as freaks. So does diluting the potency of the message do anything to help the transgendered, transexual and intersex people, who the gay and lesbian majority walked in solidarity with? Or does it just make Mardi Gras a self indulgent celebration of every sexuality, including straight people, when it should be a strong, defiant statement against homophobic and anti-queer oppression?

If kids can still call me a faggot, as they did last night, why can't my parade do the same when I'm walking down Oxford St?

michali

michali said on the 18th Nov, 2011

I'm Michael Rolik, CEO SGLMG and I'm writing to put forward the facts.

First and foremost Mardi Gras is not going straight.

That is preposterous and that statement is simply what it is, a sensational headline designed to sell newspapers and drive traffic to websites.

The organisation is Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras. And proudly so.

The festival is Sydney Mardi Gras presented by Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras. And proudly so.

The Big Gay Weekend or next Sleaze Ball will be presented by Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras. And proudly so.

The condition of support of non-LGBTQI organisations and businesses (whether sponsors or not) remains explicit, unchanged and nor will it change. All current and prospective sponsors are selected on the basis of a demonstrated commitment to the advancement of the wellbeing of their LGBTQ workforce.

The objects that are hard coded into SGLMG's constitution are clear and explicit - we are a LGBTQI organisation producing LGBTQI events, advancing LGBTQI interests and we can welcome those that share these values.

This DNA is replicated in our parade criteria (that was ratified last year through extensive consultation) - so the Parade is not going to be 'straight' nor is the sky is not going to fall on our heads.

The suggestion that our explicit gay and lesbian message will overnight or even in 20 years disappear because its called Sydney Mardi Gras is ridiculous - the objects, policies and our Parade criteria of our organisation, Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, enshrine those messages, direct our programming and determine what makes up the Parade and all of our events.

The event has changed to what most people call it.

Take the time to click through our website and explore the 60 festival events, the Mardi Gras Party DJ's and performers and you will see the evidence that it is heaving with lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and intersex programming.

http://www.mardigras.org.au/mardi-gras-2012/index.cfm

The point that is being (deliberately?) missed here is that we are not taking anything away, we are ADDING to it. We are being more inclusive.

I guess a key question about identity is this - are we gay people, or people who are gay?

How we as individuals (and communities) identify may be as ambiguous as we are diverse (and that's fine) but what is UNAMBIGUOUS is that Sydney Mardi Gras presented by Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras has and will always have a gay thumping heart.

Get the facts here:

http://www.mardigras.org.au/about-us/new-vision/index.cfm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVHuzfY0w38&feature=g-all

lordpats

lordpats said on the 18th Nov, 2011

Perhaps we are failing to see the real motivation behind this re-brand. What Mardi Gras has actually done is a bit more complex than it seems. It is not simply attempting to include trans or intersex people nor is it directly pandering to the straight majority. Mardi Gras has suffered major losses in recent years. It needs to increase ticket sales. Therefore, Mardi Gras has attempted to open up the parade to become more accessible to straight people, just as Chinese New Year has become an all inclusive Sydney event. Increasingly, we are putting on a parade the whole city can be a part of. By doing this, Mardi Gras will increase ticket sales by appealing to a wider range of the populous.

Some argue that by doing this, Mardi Gras is therefore extending a welcome to those who would avoid us simply because of the words 'gay' or 'lesbian'. What it certainly is doing is quietly removing the protest element of the parade and turning it into a far marketable, city wide celebration of sexuality, gay or straight.
The problem with this though is that Mardi Gras is not principally a celebration. Some have compared it to Chinese New Year- unlike Mardi Gras, Chinese New Year does not protest racism against Chinese. We can all have our view on what Mardi Gras is or should mean, but my view accords with the view of many Sydney gays who think that this is totally irresponsible when we are still subject to legal discrimination and homophobia, and totally opposed to the 78'rs protesting spirit. If straight people want to be a part of the parade, they can do it by supporting us rather than believing the parade is also about them.

trevleen

trevleen said on the 18th Nov, 2011

%u2018As someone who was at the first Mardi Gras in 1978 I am completely shocked that an event that was held in the name of gay solidarity, and included us all chanting %u2018stop police attacks on gays, women and blacks%u2019 prior to so many of us being brutally bashed and arrested that night seems to have been effectively %u2018de-gayed%u2019 by removing these words from the parade title. I had thought that Mardi Gras was actually becoming more inclusive, not less, and if anything it should be the GLBTI / Queer Mardi Gras Parade in this day and age, surely.

No one can seriously think that our elders and youth, who continue to suffer fear of discrimination, bullying and persecution to the point of considering or committing suicide, have nothing left to fight for and no longer need clear, specific, mainstream visibility. We all do. The struggle is far from over.

I wondered last week, when I saw the 1978 and 1979 posters being used by Mardi Gras on their new %u2018through the ages%u2019 poster and as their profile picture on Facebook, whether something similar to the butterfly might be the new symbol %u2013 a tribute to the first events, to the 78ers, and to the designer of those posters. To me the new symbol is not just two hearts, to my eyes it is an immediately apparent direct reference to that butterfly on our first two posters, and it needs to be acknowledged as such and the designer of that beautiful original image credited for that.

Hopefully Mardi Gras will reverse this decision that erases its true history, consult with 78ers about the way forward, and embrace rather than alienate large parts of the GLBTIQ community%u2019.
Jo Harrison
78er.

Husky-D

Husky-D said on the 18th Nov, 2011

Hmm I'm a bit torn on this.

From what I understand, Mardi Gras dropped "gay & lesbian" because they aim to be more inclusive and more diverse. To me it means:

1) They try to reach out to non-queer/straight people
2) the "gay & lesbian" doesn't represent transgender, bisexual and intersex people or people who do not wish to be labeled, so it should be removed

I'm all for changes and I'm well aware that any changes bare risks. I just wanted to voice my concerns about the reasons above.

1) First, why do straight people come to Mardi Gras? Is it because of the name? Or is it because of the actual contents and themes of the events? If it is the culture, contents, activities and themes of a GLBTIQ Mardi Gras that determines if they want to come or not. Then changing the name won't make a big difference. I mean if they come for the themes and activities then having "gay & lesbian" in the name is no problem for them at all. If they decide to come JUST because "gay & lesbian" is dropped from the name, then they still wouldn't enjoy the gay/queer events.

2) Yes in addition to gays and lesbians, we also have our transgender, bisexual and interest friends and those who don't want to be labelled. Removing "gay & lesbian" doesn't 100% translate into including "TBIQ" though. What I am trying to say is since currently we don't have a word (a word, not alphabet soup) that can cover everyone in our community (you may say "queer" but some people don't like the word neither), having "gay & lesbian" in the name at least sends out a strong message and makes it clear what this is about.

Like I said somewhere else, I really couldn't care less about what name is used as long as the events are still GLBTIQ. And I'm relieved(and happy) to see the SGLMG's committed to make sure it stays that way.

Maybe we can call it "Sydney Pride Mardi Gras"?

Angel Kisses

Angel Kisses said on the 18th Nov, 2011

Firstly, wants to say thanks to Matt for writing a follow up article, which interviewed those opposed to the change and the Head of Marketing & Communications Damien Eames of the now called Sydney Mardi Gras.
My first reaction was one of shock I must admit to the name change, but I am one to stand back and read all facts before I launch into any comments myself. I have taken the time to read all articles I could find, comments, talked to other lesbian girlfriends and checked out the revamped website before I wanted to comment.
I did notice that today not sure when, a page has been added to the Mardi Gras website explaining the changes.
Yesterday I did post in the ladies lounge a new thread regarding this to spark conversation and gauge the reponses of other ladies to the changes and new website. Not many have commented at all on this so far, but those who have could be sumed up as commenting, this is a good thing as it includes those other than those who just identify with being gay or lesbian. Mainly it didnt seem to bother anyone so far.
I feel dissapointed with the name change. I understand that the words, gay and lesbian don't include bi,trans,intersex, gender diverse and one of the points for the name change was to fix that. I owned the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras as a place to celebrate being part of the LGBTQI community and say to others this is who we are loudly. Think its a shame that the words gay and lesbian would deter anyone in the LGBTQI community from participating. From what I have seen from years I have attended there has always been a strong support in all areas of the community. So dropping those words and now not identifying as being from any particular LGBTQI community is a good thing? I think not.
Must say though the point that young people mainly or others hate labels as an arguement for the change is a little distrubing. Okay I know what its like to have struggled as most do at some point in there life on this site with identity issues. I am attracted to women, I have a female partner, so if that doesnt make one a lesbian then what does? Labels and sterotyping isnt my thing, but I do identify as a lesbian PROUDLY. Kind of shows that we still have a long way to go if those that are gay and lesbian arnt comfortable with those terms.
Lastly,I do wonder if, its to please those potential businesses who are uncomfortable with being seen to associate with the terms gay and lesbian.

liamj

liamj said on the 19th Nov, 2011

There has been a lot of passionate discussion today about the new Mardi Gras brand and specifically the decision to rename the event 'Sydney Mardi Gras'. As a proud (gay) member of gen Y, I am so grateful of the 78ers and all those before us for getting us to the point we are today. This rebrand is a testament to all that has been achieved and I believe we should be celebrating....

Celebrating the fact that 'Mardi Gras' is a globally recognised event synonymous with gay, lesbian, transgender, queer, bisexual, intersex or however else you choose to identify yourself. Broadening the name to make it more inclusive is not going to change that identity;

Celebrating the fact that our generation doesn't feel the need to expressly identify ourselves by our sexuality, but rather that we view our sexuality as being just one component of our identity;

Celebrating the fact that many of us, thanks to our predecessors, have equal acceptance and are even embraced by our families, friends and colleagues;

Celebrating the fact that we are so close to being able to marry the person that we love; and

Celebrting the fact that every day we are closer to the equality that has been fought so hard for. And the only way to have true equality is through inclusiveness. So long as we continue to impose exclusive labels on ourselves such as 'gay and lesbian', 'GLBTQI' or any other label we perpetuate a 'them and us' culture under which true equality will never be achieved.

Giving yourself a nick name does not change who you are - the living, breathing soul and personality of Mardi Gras is made up of the people within our community and it is and always will be GLBTQI. So too will the press coverage and footage broadcast around the world.

It's time to be the bigger person, to forgive and invite the broader community to unite with us in our quest for equality, remembering that the people we are talking about are our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents and friends.

The vision is equality - now is our time to lead by example.

david_margeaux

david_margeaux said on the 19th Nov, 2011

From another site:
Shelley Argent, from PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays), however have welcomed the changes.

%u201CThe renewed focus on inclusion will help me encourage more parents to play a part in the parade,%u201D Argent said.

If the parents she talks about were uncomfortable playing a part in the parade because it contained the words gay and lesbian, then she'll need to advocate that PFLAG change its name and reason for being too I guess? What happened to honouring the very reason for PFLAG's existence, Shelley?

http://www.pflagaustralia.org.au/default.aspx

Why does PFLAG exist?
In Australia today, there are many parents with homosexual children. These children, and often their families are victims of social, political and economic prejudice. Gay persons in many communities are affected by discrimination in theirpursuit of happiness and in striving to live their lives with openness and dignity. Homosexuals are not the only ones touched by this discrimination. It also touches their friends and families. We as parents, families and friends of lesbians and gays wish to join together to appeal to the public conscience. We want to achieve the same rights and opportunities for our gay sons and lesbian daughters as are enjoyed by other Australians. As proud parents of gay people, our lives have been enriched by reaching an understanding and acceptance of our gay children and embracing their diversity. It is our goal to bring this understanding and acceptance of diversity to the community.

There's a whole lot of mentions of gay and lesbian there Shelley, may need to change that .....

cheekychiko

cheekychiko said on the 25th Nov, 2011

The name of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras should not be changed, especially to the politically correct name 'Sydney Mardi Gras' until Australian LGBTI citizens have Equal Civil and Human Rights across the board in every State and Territory.

Historically the Sydney Gay And Lesbian Mardi Gras is acknowledged as one of the worlds most significant Civil and Human Rights protests.
Re-branding the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardis Grad with the PC title 'Sydney Mardis Gras' before Australian LGBTI citizens have Equal Civil and Human Rights completely contradicts and demeans the intention of the cause,
insults the 78ers efforts and diminishes the meaning of the protest and its history.

Updating the marketing of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras brand in order to ensure its commercial success is sound business practice.
Though the true weight of this issue does not lie within the frame work of marketing and advertising, the re-branding of Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras raises a deeper issue: Cultural Assimilation.

Is LGBTI culture truly evolving by being assimilated into mainstream culture?

Or by re-branding itself to a PC title, is Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras opening itself up to Censorship and Cultural Appropriation?

Is it socially progressive to remove the LGBTI content from title of an Iconic Gay Cultural Event that celebrates the most significant protest in the history of the Australian LBGTI Civil Rights movement?

In a Democracy that respects and honours Cultural Diversity and LGBTI Civil and Human Rights...
What exactly is not inclusive about the definitions 'Gay and Lesbian' and 'LGBTI'?

datkindagal

datkindagal said on the 25th Nov, 2011

still dont get it

The name of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras should not be changed, especially to the politically correct name 'Sydney Mardi Gras' until Australian LGBTI citizens have Equal Civil and Human Rights across the board in every State and Territory.

Historically the Sydney Gay And Lesbian Mardi Gras is acknowledged as one of the worlds most significant Civil and Human Rights protests.
Re-branding the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardis Grad with the PC title 'Sydney Mardis Gras' before Australian LGBTI citizens have Equal Civil and Human Rights completely contradicts and demeans the intention of the cause,
insults the 78ers efforts and diminishes the meaning of the protest and its history.

Updating the marketing of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras brand in order to ensure its commercial success is sound business practice.
Though the true weight of this issue does not lie within the frame work of marketing and advertising, the re-branding of Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras raises a deeper issue: Cultural Assimilation.

Is LGBTI culture truly evolving by being assimilated into mainstream culture?

Or by re-branding itself to a PC title, is Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras opening itself up to Censorship and Cultural Appropriation?

Is it socially progressive to remove the LGBTI content from title of an Iconic Gay Cultural Event that celebrates the most significant protest in the history of the Australian LBGTI Civil Rights movement?

In a Democracy that respects and honours Cultural Diversity and LGBTI Civil and Human Rights...
What exactly is not inclusive about the definitions 'Gay and Lesbian' and 'LGBTI'?

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