Mardi Gras regrets name change'cheat'

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The Board of Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras say they don’t believe their festival’s name-change to Sydney Mardi Gras was a mistake, but today apologised for not adequately consulting their members before making the polarising decision.

At a ‘Community Information Session’ meeting this afternoon in Darlinghurst, the entire Board faced criticism from many of the fifty people assembled.

The attendees had several concerns about the name change, which has especially angered those with a long history with the festival, and those who see the ‘gay and lesbian’ brand as vital for visibility.

Though the cover of Sydney Mardi Gras’ official 2012 guide welcomed “lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and intersex pride,” the official name change meant NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell’s message inside did not actually mention LGBT people specifically, pointed out an attendee who added “in changing the name, you’ve lost me.”

“I feel betrayed,” said another, who pressed the Board on how much community and membership consultation had happened. Images of Mardi Gras are “beamed around the world,” came another comment. “It’s a beacon. And when we lose the name, we lose the point.”

A couple of Mardi Gras Board speakers said the name change happened to better welcome those of a younger generation less bound by traditional sexuality ‘labels’. But one attendee reminded the meeting that local LGBTI youth support network Twenty10’s Managing Director Rebecca Reynolds had spoken out strongly against the rebrand.

Not everyone reacted badly to the name change however – some at the meeting agreed with the move, while one attendee pointed out that the same situation happened back in 2003 but was reversed after similar community outrage.

“We need to look to the future”

As the meeting wrapped up, the Mardi Gras Board thanked the assembled crowd for their impassioned views, and sought to reassure all there that Mardi Gras “is still a fully fledged LGBTIQ festival, put on by an LGBTIQ organisation.”

“We haven’t changed what our parade and festival will look like,” added Mardi Gras Chair Pete Urmson. “We just want to it be bigger, bolder, stronger and better.”

“Will you admit you’ve made a mistake with how you’ve made this change – and are you sorry?” said the next questioner. “We feel we’ve been cheated on.”

Mardi Gras CEO Michael Rolik answered. “We don’t think we’ve made a mistake with the name change. But I think we could’ve done a better job in the process – and I make an apology if you feel cheated.”

Urmson added that Mardi Gras will explore options for addressing the naming concerns in the new year before the 2012 festival begins.

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smilinggoat

smilinggoat said on the 19th Dec, 2011

While I can understand the negative comments and feelings from a lot of people towards the rebranding, I think this could be a positive step to making the parade a lot more inclusive and accessible to those who should really be inside the community, but don't identify with any of labels we use to identify people within it.

The SGLMG board is made up of elected representatives, that is, people elected by the membership; people who have been prepared to sacrifice their time to try and make this organisation the best it can be, and to stand up in the fight for equality and acceptance.

SGLMG has a charter of what is required before a change like this is undertaken, and this was adhered to. If you don't like it, and you actually give a damn, join the organisation, suggest a change, work for it. No one at Mardi Gras is out to get you.

If you don't like it, and you want this event to continue, maybe it's time to stump up and do something about it.

Having worked with Mardi Gras as a working group volunteer for a number of years, and sat on boards for other community organisations, all I can see is a team of incredibly dedicated and hard working staff and board members who want the best for the community, and I would be interested to know which people who have commented here would be prepared to give even 1 hour of their week (and believe me, staff [yes, staff at Mardi Gras put in a shed load of unpaid overtime], vollies and the board of MG donate a hell of a lot more time than 1 hour a week) for very little reward to try and keep this event going

If you genuinely don't care one way of the other, or this event/organisation is not your cup of tea, that's fine, although I would be curious to know which rallies you've attended, which MPs you've written to or what else you've done to help the cause for equality and acceptance.

Please don't let your negativity cloud this issue for people who have a genuine interest in delivering one of the worlds premiere LGBTIQ festivals, as part of an over all strategy fighting for equality, and celebrating our fabulous community - I'm not saying that just because one doesn't actively participate in the organisation they haven't a right to an opinion, however, please remember that the people who do put in the effort and time are doing their very best to make the event the best LGBTIQ event in the world, and the most effective platform to celebrate our achievements, and work towards equal rights for all.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 21st Dec, 2011

I agree. The Party is supposed to be the biggest profit-maker I believe. I feel that the two words "gay & lesbian" in the name is not the reason why people don't go. There're many parties happening every year, gay and straight, people may feel that they don't have to go to the MG one. And there're so many other ways to have fun too. Perhaps the Party needs to change, adapt and be innovative to attract more patrons. I mean if it's always the same old same old stuff people will eventually get tired. If they're able to invite some big stars people might really wanna go, but big stars are expensive -_-

So many parties and entertainments out there, the competition is fierce.

The name change and rebranding seem like to be the methods that SGLMG is currently using to attract more party-goers, though I'm not fully convinced it's the right path to take as the true reasons may not lie in the words "gay & lesbian".

I think Fair Day has always been very popular and successful? If it shows people are all right with the name "Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Fair Day" , then why are they put off by the name "Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Party"?

20 years back as others have posted the Party was the only big party so everyone went. Then other parties started to compete and it felt like NMG just rolled over instead of competing eg Toybox , having a day party on the Sunday as the Halls still all decked out etc. So numbers dropped and the other parties became hugely popular.

But people still wanted their free events like Fair Day. I'm glad they introduced the bucket drop to at least get some $.s back.

It annoys me when they go on about getting away from drug/alcohol culture. Its one night out of 2-3 weeks of
non drug/alcohol events especially Fair Day etc. But the Parade is what gets the media in , not nice family events
like Fair Day.........maybe NMG can work on that ? Party gets around 15,000 if they are lucky and Fair Day is around 70,000. They are my 2 favourite events along with Queer Screen.

KateDee

KateDee said on the 22nd Dec, 2011

So KateDee, the path to visibility, acceptance and equality is to be relegated to a byline consisting of a six letter acronymn? This event is an in-your- face protest march at its core. HTF will Bruce&Magde from Wop Wop know what 'LGBTQI' means when they stumble upon a group of topless women on bikes if it's not framed with those two words 'Gay and Lesbian' ?

You seem to make the same mistake as the straight conservative crowd of associating gay and lesbian with drug use. Changing the name of the event will help get rid of the drug culture? How? I guess straight people don't take drugs at straight events.

By all means make the event inclusive but don't ask me to shut up about what losing my visibilty means to me or whats important to the people who fought for this.

How The F*** do you think Trans & Intersex people are identified then? 20+ years or so of not being listed in the main part of the name and we get along just fine, Max. I'm sure gays & lesbians will be fine too, given that Mardi Gras in Australia is synonymous with everything that is camp-gay under the sun. :D

Or are you sore because Transpeople are getting the same level of attention as gays for once, not including Drag Queens? :rolleyes:

Also did I really make the mistake that wingnut right-wingers make, Max? Have a look at a lot of lesbian and gay youth in rural parts of Oz, while also have a look at a lot of inner- Sydney venues over the past 15 years, particularly in the Oxford St area. Sure people of all persuasions take a LOT of drugs, though given the history of Mardi Gras it's developed a reputation which is perhaps unwarranted now, though would have been a decade or so ago. Rebooting the image of Mardi Gras is a good thing in that regard.

Dsquare

Dsquare said on the 22nd Dec, 2011

No, it's not transphobia. I can quite genuinely say I accept trans people in exactly the same way as I accept anybody else. Their medical history makes absolutely no difference to me.

But, I am fed up with the way DAT comes on here making demands and constantly abusing and being offensive to gay men. The only person that is putting any walls up between the gay and lesbian members on here and yourself is you. With the exception of one or two notable exceptions (who are always put into their place by non-trans members) there is no transphobia on Samesame. But you come on here ranting andraving and accusing the entire gay and lesbian community of being out to get you.

So be very clear. My post was not anti-trans, it was anti DAT (and her new ring in). And report away honey. If my one post is considered transphobic and offensive I still think it pales into insignificance against the stream of abusive posts you have to your name.

And as to the meaning of my previous post. Since the name change you have made a number of snide comments about how gays and lesbians are now dealing with what you have always face. What you don't seem to realise is that you are no more represented in the new name than gays and lesbians. Sure, they've back peddled now and added the alphabet in small type, but that was only after the outcry after the name was changed. This isn't about making MG more inclusive for trans people, it's about opening up the parade to a wider, non-gay, lesbian, trans etc etc population before it goes the way of every other gay institution and venue in our brave new world of acceptance. So your smugness is a little misplaced.

*Que DAT telling me to get a fucking clue*

KateDee

KateDee said on the 29th Dec, 2011

No, it's not transphobia. I can quite genuinely say I accept trans people in exactly the same way as I accept anybody else. Their medical history makes absolutely no difference to me.

But, I am fed up with the way DAT comes on here making demands and constantly abusing and being offensive to gay men. The only person that is putting any walls up between the gay and lesbian members on here and yourself is you. With the exception of one or two notable exceptions (who are always put into their place by non-trans members) there is no transphobia on Samesame. But you come on here ranting andraving and accusing the entire gay and lesbian community of being out to get you.

So be very clear. My post was not anti-trans, it was anti DAT (and her new ring in). And report away honey. If my one post is considered transphobic and offensive I still think it pales into insignificance against the stream of abusive posts you have to your name.

And as to the meaning of my previous post. Since the name change you have made a number of snide comments about how gays and lesbians are now dealing with what you have always face. What you don't seem to realise is that you are no more represented in the new name than gays and lesbians. Sure, they've back peddled now and added the alphabet in small type, but that was only after the outcry after the name was changed. This isn't about making MG more inclusive for trans people, it's about opening up the parade to a wider, non-gay, lesbian, trans etc etc population before it goes the way of every other gay institution and venue in our brave new world of acceptance. So your smugness is a little misplaced.

*Que DAT telling me to get a fucking clue*

1. I'm not a "ring-in". I'm a person who was just reading the website and got pissed off enough that I signed up so I could post. I don't have a clue as to who DAT is, nor do I care to be honest.

2. It's not excusable for Gay people to think they can get away with saying whatever they like about Transpeople, especially when they'd get shitty if similar things were said about themselves.

For example, if somebody said that "Only a few Delusional Fags would think that the Conscience vote would be defeated at the ALP National conference", I dare say you would have been up in arms.

3. I disagree. There's been no attempt to "open up the parade" to non LGBTIQ people, and to suggest that a more inclusive name will cause that is a joke beyond all words. Having a more open atmosphere wouldn't hurt anyway, as at the very least it'd mean that there'd be more mainstream Trans-related events. "Drag Races" is nothing but an insult.




Where's the "personal criticism"? Again, "Delusional Trannies" is a broad statement that covers the entire group.








It's shit like this that pisses people off with a lot of gay men, not to mention a few lesbians. Similar comments about gays would result in you crying about homophobia until the cows come home.


The name change was not about including bi amd trans people. If it was they wouldve just added BT to the name.

The change was about including straight people (just look at Shelly Argents media comments about parents) because there are alot more straight people around and thus MG thinks they will come to the parties and financially save MG when the reality is that their fundraising model is out of date and only GLBT people will be able to save them. Lots of Gs & Ls have been pissed off with them so they will find themselves in trouble very quickly.

I for one won't be volunteering this time around. And I've written to the board to tell them so. Just one persons volunteering efforts can be worth hundreds of dollars so they'll need to find 2 or 3 straight peole to turn up to the party just to balance out me not being there.

And I'm not the only oissed off volunteer. You cant dismiss your core constituency and not have some kind of repercussions down the line.

It's only a few disillusioned gays who don't realize that Mardi Gras needs to move on from being a stereotypical event.

I'd rather have "Sydney Mardi Gras" than "Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras", because at least then it gives equal treatment to everybody name-wise. It mightn't be perfect, though if somebody proposed that it be called the "Sydney Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transsexual, Intersex and Queer Mardi Gras", you'd have a few people crying blue murder over "alphabet soup." If somebody suggested that at the Mardi Gras AGM, they would get shouted down by people like you for making a mockery of a "gay-focused event".

The core constituency are our straight allies nowadays who come out to support us at such events, as they are the ones who spend more money just due to their numbers. As evidenced by the ALP National Conference having straight allies allies works, not flag waving and chanting after votes have been made. If making it so that it is easier for straight people to learn about LGBTIQ people, then I'm all for it even if it pisses off a few hard-core stereotypes who just want to lead the organisation into oblivion.

KateDee

KateDee said on the 29th Dec, 2011

you're joking right????

So aboriginal organisations should remove any refrences to "aboriginal" or "torres straight islander" in there titles as white people have more money by sheers numbers??

I thought perhaps we were guests at their events and not the core constituincy.

No, and if you would stop being so whiney you'd see that Gays are still represented in the name. ie celebrating Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex and Queer Pride. Nothing has been taken away by calling it the "Sydney Mardi Gras", given it's by-line. Nothing has been taken away by changing the name to reflect the entire LGBTIQ community, and it's a hell of a lot better and inclusive than simply "Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras", which suggests that Gender Diverse people don't exist.

wow. You've made friends for life on here by dismissing all the "flag waving" that happened in the whole year in the lead up to the vote.

Which by the way is only a conscience vote. A bit like "I'll vote for you if I feel like it (not because I actually believe in you)". Hardly an ally.

Did you notice a single Trans or Intersex reference in all of that flag waving by AME, GetUp!, NSW-GLRL and CAAH? There was ZIP! Both GetUp! and AME have stated that they refuse to advocate for Gender Identity in Marriage Equality, because it's "Too complex and confuses people". The only groups that actually caused anything to happen were the ones actively engaged in the ALP, such as Rainbow Labor. Funnily enough, they were the only ones to actively push for gender identity in any way, shape or form during that event.

Given that Marriage Equality will affect the Gender Diverse as much as it will Same Sex couples, you've got to wonder why people from those other groups weren't willing to openly support (or at the very least acknowledge) Trans & Intersex people.



It's already mostly about having a "sexy time", so I don't see why you are carrying on like this. There's only a handful of academic/arts events, with the rest of it being full of parties, drinks, drugs and drag. Why not an LGBTIQ Film Festival throughout that period, or Fair Day running for multiple days? Why not something family-friendly, other than just Fair Day? Unless you are into Drag, alcohol/drugs and partying, there's next to nothing that makes Mardi Gras stand out and nothing which helps LGBTIQ people who aren't camp-crazy. Also unless there's something hidden away, there's no Trans-related events whatsoever.

KateDee

KateDee said on the 30th Dec, 2011

are you sure you are not dat? I initially assumed you weren't because your posts weren't as disjointed and as rambling as hers, but now I'm not so sure.



It's actually quite standard across most discussion forums, gay or straight.

It's to stop soammers from just using the forums to advertise products.

Dont take it personally.

I haven't a clue as to who DAT is, so I'm dead sure. Also when arguing online, things are bound to get disjointed.

Also I frequent a lot of forums and that type of restriction is rare.

Kate is under the deluded assumption that the mardi Gras board dropped the GL from the name in order to make the Bs & Ts feel more included.

I wish that was the case.

Unfirtunately it's all about the Ss which have never been a part of our alphabet soup.

Ps. You'll notice that it's not called a same sec marriage rally, but a marriage equality rally. There is no reference to sexuality or gender (a bit like mardi gras).

I said that I prefered the new name and that it'd be stupid to go back to the old one. I didn't say why they did it, though I did say why I prefered the change.

Also given that the organisations that organised that event silenced any attempt to raise Gender Diverse quires about marriage equality, it was for all intents and purposes a same sex event. Check the websites and resources of all of the ones involved. You won't find a single document or anything supporting Trans or Intersex people's rights at all. In that regard, the silence is very much like the attempts made by some gays to exclude gender diverse people from LGBTIQ culture, by ensuring that Mardi Gras reverts to it's outdated and exclusionary former name.

JayTee

JayTee said on the 30th Dec, 2011



after being attacked on here


you're not being attacked. It's a discussion forum. I don't know u from a bar of soap. I don't even know dat except on here.



for suggesting that a name that is now inclusive (albeit not on purpose)


It's not real commitment to the BT community on MGs part. Don't rely on them to back u because they've just got their eyes on the $$$$ (which the BT community doesn't have yhe numbers for).

don't rely on friends u don't have. They'll always disappoint you.

For all we know this "inclusive" stance that MG is currently presenting is only a cover up for some larger stuff up ( a bit like the parade party split 2 years ago was about bad planning insted of something experimental)


I'm not saying we should go back to the old name, I'm saying the new name is wrong and a backwards step (as opposed to a forwards step).


I hope that when the AGM comes along that somebody proposes that the event be called the "Sydney Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Intersex and Queer Mardi Gras"

I'm sure someone will put that motion forward. And that would be a forwards step (as opposed to a backwards step).

If u believe that a GLBT MG is the way to go, then I suggest u start to get people together to help vote it into reality. And just a suggestion that my mother always told me: you catch more flies with honey than u do with vinegar.

I suggest u stop insulting peoples "flag waving" unless u want them to cut off your nose to spite MGs face. Between u and dat you're not making a good impression for the T community. Thankfully we have a wider group of people representing the T community in the real world which more than off sets that.

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