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Bob Carr's in support asSenate marriage debate begins

As the Senate commences its debate of marriage equality, Senator Bob Carr is the latest Labor MP to confirm his support for changing the Marriage Act.

The former NSW Premier and Senior Cabinet Minister (pictured) hadn’t spoken publicly on the issue before, but now the Sydney Morning Herald that approving same sex marriage is consistent with Labor’s policies and track-record of removing discrimination against LGBT Australians.

He says he respects those who hold conservative views on marriage, but it “seemed churlish to deny access to marriage to groups that wanted it.”

Beginning this morning, the Senate will debate the issue, which is expected to be voted on this Wednesday.

You can watch live video of the debate here on the Parliament of Australia website.

Currently there are 31 declared supporters of marriage equality in the Senate, including 20 from Labor, 9 Greens, and 2 Coalition Senators. Key undecided Senators include Senator Conroy and Senator Xenophon.

Australian Marriage Equality campaigner Alex Greenwich welcomes Carr’s support.

“Not only is Bob Carr joining the 64% of Australians and majority of his fellow cabinet ministers who back the reform, but he has also evolved from a position where he thought Civil Unions were the way forward,” he says.

“Thousands of constituents have recently written to Senator Carr and shared how this reform would benefit them, their families, and their communities. In doing so they have proved how effective our grassroots campaign has been compared to the alarmism and extremism of opponents of reform.”

Greenwich believes this week’s debate and vote will show how far the campaign for marriage equality has come since the last vote in 2009, when only six Senators backed the reform.

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Matt Akersten

Matt Akersten said on the 17th Sep, 2012

And here's a pdf copy of the Bill they're debating this week.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/ems/s884_ems_58d703ff-d4ba-403e-b689-513df229f620/upload_pdf/12151em.pdf;fileType=application/pdf

RustyBoxxx

RustyBoxxx said on the 17th Sep, 2012

I have also received 2 emails from those listed on the 'undecided' list confirming they to will be voting in favour. I think this could be a lot closer than we think.

local_warming

local_warming said on the 17th Sep, 2012

^^^^^^I think thats like the polish horse-mounted cavalry, who charged german tanks in 1939 - noble, but whos chances of success, were not based on reality

CeeAy

CeeAy said on the 17th Sep, 2012



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_at_Krojanty

With respect LW, your understanding of the events in Krojanty on 1 September 1939 reflect more the Nazi propaganda view than reality. The purpose of the charge was to delay the German tank brigade to allow a battalion of Polish troops to retreat - that was achieved - albeit at a heavy price.

More to the point on the vote: I oscillate between believing/hoping the vote will pass and your view of perhaps realistic pessimism of its chances. "Hope" is of course never a good basis for a strategy although I hope I am right and you are wrong! :D

local_warming

local_warming said on the 17th Sep, 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_at_Krojanty

With respect LW, your understanding of the events in Krojanty on 1 September 1939 reflect more the Nazi propaganda view than reality. The purpose of the charge was to delay the German tank brigade to allow a battalion of Polish troops to retreat - that was achieved - albeit at a heavy price.


Regardless, the comparative analogy, to the way the vote will fall in the bill for the legislation of same sex marriage, is accurate. Clasping your hands and looking wishfully to the sky, does not alter the numerical reality of the vote.

CeeAy

CeeAy said on the 17th Sep, 2012



Well I hope the debate in your Parliament and in the media over the next two days will be more than "looking wishfully to the sky"
and that the waiverers will be persuaded to the pro camp. But as I said before, hope is not the best basis for a strategy!

local_warming

local_warming said on the 17th Sep, 2012

Well I hope the debate in your Parliament and in the media over the next two days will be more than "looking wishfully to the sky"
and that the waiverers will be persuaded to the pro camp. But as I said before, hope is not the best basis for a strategy!

Id be surprised if the two day long parliamentary debate itself, shifts the vote of ANY senators or MPs, for this particular vote. Surely this is an issue that each member knows full well which way they will be voting when the debate on this legislation commenced. any parliamentary member, who at this stage is still claiming to have not made up their mind, is just claiming to do so for their own personal PR purposes

CeeAy

CeeAy said on the 17th Sep, 2012



Maybe you are right - I just think that there are still some undeclared and like in NZ there may be some late converts a day to two before the vote. Wednesday we shall see.

Asherbella

Asherbella said on the 17th Sep, 2012

I'm so glad Bob Carr has added to the dialogue concerning marriage equality and given his support.
It's time for New South Wales to embrace marriage equality. Queensland isn't ready for it yet, sadly and won't be until the LNP are voted out - which may be half a generation away. Who knows. All I know for sure is that I'm passionate about marriage equality becoming a reality in Australia. It's right and just and fair. Why? Because love is love. Love is a universal behaviour and state of being. We all as adults have the capacity to love another human being and to have that love validated in law through the benefit of marriage.
Thank you, Bob Carr.

mark_

mark_ said on the 17th Sep, 2012


And I'm passionate about steam trains and wattle trees but I don't go rioting in the streets and annoying people with it.

JayTee

JayTee said on the 17th Sep, 2012

Were those Muslims on Saturday rioting to demand legal polygamous marriage?

I'd marry everyone of them. ...whoops my Sydney bottoms train of thought is invading other threads ;)