Phone hook-up leads togunpoint assault

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Last night a 25-year-old Surry Hills man was attacked, gagged and held at gunpoint by two men after inviting one to his home via a dating app on his phone.

At around 9pm, the Waine Street resident invited the man to visit him “after earlier communicating with him on a mobile phone chat site,” say NSW Police. “Once inside the premises the man assaulted the 25-year-old.”

“The victim ran to the front door for help, where he was met by a second man who then assaulted him.”

The first man forced the 25-year-old onto the bed where he was gagged and pinned down while the second man stole property from the unit.

“The second man produced a firearm and threatened the victim, before both men fled the premises.”

Police from Surry Hills Local Area Command attended and established a crime scene which was examined by forensic specialists. Statements were taken from neighbours.

The 25-year-old was sent to the nearby St Vincent’s Hospital for treatment.

Anyone who thinks they have any more information on the incident is urged to contact Surry Hills Police Station or Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

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JayTee

JayTee said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Description of the offenders?

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 19th Sep, 2012

cunts

hope they get them

and what App ?

Ibby

Ibby said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Skout apparently. Which has a history in america of some guys raping three girls

Matt Akersten

Matt Akersten said on the 19th Sep, 2012

No one has specified what particular app was used. Since Grindr's so popular a lot of people are assuming it was that one, but there are other apps. x

JayTee

JayTee said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Never heard of that app.

Surely police will be able to track down the guys from their ip address on their profile? As well as contact other people these two have been communicating with in order to set up a similar robbery.

I always find this kind of crime intriguing. Is it a gay on gay crme? Or do straight guys purposely target gay men by getting onto these sites? How do they learn the pick up routines/slang gay men use?

Do they use their own photos? (in this case they would have to, if the guy let the first one thru the door) or do they use stolen images and some innocent guy gets a knock on their door from the police?

Also I suppose they would demand instant action (ie, im around the corner, I'll come for a quickie), instead of a long drawn out cnvo that goes nowhere ie. Time wasters.

TheOldie

TheOldie said on the 19th Sep, 2012

good on the guy for ringing the Police !

so many wouldnt have and thats what these cunts would have been thinking.

local_warming

local_warming said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Well at least he would have a photo of the guy who did it on his phone - pretty easy for the police to track him. Surely the leadup conversation must have given off a few red flags though

Ibby

Ibby said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Thing is the photos may have been fake.

The similar case with Skout in the US was three guys posing as teenage boys that then met up with and raped three teenage girls.

Hopefully they do catch the fuckheads, but I'd say without a valid description by the victim it'll be hard.

Ibby

Ibby said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Or could have just been a headless torso shot. Made that mistake before >.>

Light-Bearer

Light-Bearer said on the 19th Sep, 2012

I wonder if the offenders were cut/ uncut

JayTee

JayTee said on the 19th Sep, 2012

There was no suggestion of sexual assault

local_warming

local_warming said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Thing is the photos may have been fake
.

Yeah but he would known as soon as he opened the door - in which case the course if action is to say "you're not who i was talking to", and close the door prior to him entering

local_warming

local_warming said on the 19th Sep, 2012

I dont even reply to messages off headless torsos - if there is no face attatched to the profile or message, i just ignore/delete it.

Matt Akersten

Matt Akersten said on the 19th Sep, 2012

You guys have been great, but I'm a bit surprised at some of the responses I've seen to this situation. The worst tweet said "let this be a lesson." It's precisely that kind of judgemental crap that's the reason why this victim may have avoided going to the authorities. And we should all be glad he did speak up.

local_warming

local_warming said on the 19th Sep, 2012

^^^^yeah i imagine it would be fairly awkward trying to explain the mechanics of a grindr meet-up to the police.

sneakos

sneakos said on the 19th Sep, 2012

and therein lies half th problem

because it shouldnt be awkward - there is nothing illegal about using a website or app (or whatever grindr is lol - god im so old bahaha :o) to meet someone for sex

yet its th construction that some ppl may put around it in terms of what others (in this case police) might think that creates th hesitation/anxiety/etc

and not helped by th openly homophobic attitudes of some police

Matt Akersten

Matt Akersten said on the 19th Sep, 2012

You get a little more info in this report below. It was the 'Skout' app, which I know very little about. The man who was attacked has now left hospital, following treatment to a minor injury.

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/dating-app-assault-man-robbed-and-gagged-police-say-20120919-2658o.html

DavoJimbo said on the 19th Sep, 2012

I will be surprised if this isn't solved rather quickly - hopefully the guy has some good friends to support him through the process...

JayTee

JayTee said on the 19th Sep, 2012

because it shouldnt be awkward - there is nothing illegal about using a website or app

There is nothing illegal nor immoral about it.

But we need to admit to ourselves as a community that is IS risky.

You wouldn't invite a complete stranger into your home because u wanted to discuss knitting, or to play a musical instrument together.

But when it comes to sex all reasoning flies out the door. The "I want it and i want it now" mantra comes into play and all the precautions we normally take when dealing with the unknown gets overlooked.

I imagine the same thing happens when safe sex isn't adhered to.

daydream3

daydream3 said on the 19th Sep, 2012

OMG I have had many randoms over from Grindr/Manhunt Mobile/Squirt and this is alarming and I also think this poor guy is amazing for going to the authorities and speaking up. It makes me, and I am sure others, a bit more cautious in the future.

Having said that... I've picked up guys at nightclubs and had experiences of theft, etc... but nothing to this degree. but I am still glad I've deleted my Grindr/etc apps now after reading this.

Marie-Pierre said on the 19th Sep, 2012

Matt, I'm not surprised by some of the comments that blame the guy who got assaulted. I'm appalled by them, but not surprised. I'm a woman and I worked for years in the area of raising awareness of myths in the area of sexual assault. I continually heard what I thought of as "Blame the victim" comments that were devoid of compassion and unbelievably grandiose and contemptuous.

In the audiences I worked with, it always seemed to me that the more people insisted that the victims should have known/ been more careful/ been less drunk/ been less sexual/ been dressed differently/ not hung out where they were assaulted [fill in excuse of your choice], the more it sounded to me like the person making the pronouncement was trying to shore up their own needs to believe it would never happen to them..

From the smug tone of voice, it seemed they were trying to claim that, after all, 'they', [unlike the dumb victim] were smarter/ more or less whatever thing they claimed was the magic amulet, and for this reason rape would not happen to them.

All I can say to those people is: good luck! It's a long way to fall the day the person you love most has something like that happen to them. Or the day it happens to YOU!

Like DavoJimbo, I hope the guy has great support and help to ward off such stupid ignorant remarks.

JayTee

JayTee said on the 19th Sep, 2012

there's a big difference between "the victim should've taken more precautions" and "the victim deserved it".

the second has moral connotations.

The first is just living in the real world.

Some people will take advantage of you. FACT.

people just need to learn to be a bit more pragmatic and less believers of some fairy world where everyone is nice.

MrAsh said on the 19th Sep, 2012

I remember reading in the U.K. magazine Attitude years ago about guys who picked up guys at beats, saunas and clubs and then went back to the victims place and shagged them and then committed theft afterwards. Usually whilst the victim was asleep.

So crimes like this isn't new, it's just that it's happened by someone meeting on an online App.

In fact it doesn't surprise me at all and I think it might happen more often than we think.

Matt Akersten

Matt Akersten said on the 17th Dec, 2012

The police have now released a photo of one of the men they're seeking in connection to this case:

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/9267/Police-hunt-home-invaders-recognise-this-man.htm

MrAsh said on the 28th Dec, 2012

You forgot to include Transgender/Non-CIS, Bisexual, Inter-sex and Queer to your comment above, people who identify as the latter are also and in some instances even more vulnerable to be victims of crime and they also need to be encouraged and supported to speak out and report when they have been victims of crime.

http://www.acon.org.au/anti-violence/report-to-police

It would also be preferable if you did not racially profile suspects and the statement below is inappropriate.

If a racial description is necessary, it is up to the police to issue one, since they are trained to describe suspects in a culturally sensitive and appropriate context.

Also it's not appropriate to state-

Whether people are prosecuted for drugs is a matter for the police to decide and anyone involved in drug use and supply needs to be aware of the legal issues surrounding their drug activity.

http://www.acon.org.au/about-acon/links/aod

mark_

mark_ said on the 28th Dec, 2012

^

:) 'Italian' as a racial description.

I remember the old days when Australians welcomed migrants to join us. We referred to them as 'New Australians'.

I remember the writer Ruth Park saying that the Italians are "our favourite New Australian"; John Macallum the movie actor described the Ceylonese as the most beautiful of the Asian people.

:( Now the PC Brigade is here to veto our speech and thoughts.

MrAsh said on the 28th Dec, 2012

^

:) 'Italian' as a racial description.

I remember the old days when Australians welcomed migrants to join us. We referred to them as 'New Australians'.

I remember the writer Ruth Park saying that the Italians are "our favourite New Australian"; John Macallum the movie actor described the Ceylonese as the most beautiful of the Asian people.

:( Now the PC Brigade is here to veto our speech and thoughts.

You have to be careful with racial profiling these days Mark, Australia is a vastly different country from the era you were born in and also the era's you romanticise and are nostalgic about. :)

mark_

mark_ said on the 28th Dec, 2012

Are you warning me against committing a SIN?

God gave us Ten Commandments. Witholding the truth is not one of them. God says Speak the Truth.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HK_Central_Statue_Square_Legislative_Council_Building_n_Themis_s.jpg

The statue of 'Justice' wears a blindfold to show impartiality whilst dispensing justice. But you're also asking the police detectives to wear blindfolds while they attempt to find killers.

JayTee

JayTee said on the 28th Dec, 2012

what exactly is a "queer" person?

I thought queer was an umbrella term that covered GLBTI people in one simple word. But lately I've been seeing queer added into to end of the alphabet soup.

Is there a new breed of purely queer people who don't fit in any of the GLBTI categories?

MrAsh said on the 28th Dec, 2012

Are you warning me against committing a SIN?

God gave us Ten Commandments. Witholding the truth is not one of them. God says Speak the Truth.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/HK_Central_Statue_Square_Legislative_Council_Building_n_Themis_s.jpg

The statue of 'Justice' wears a blindfold to show impartiality whilst dispensing justice. But you're also asking the police detectives to wear blindfolds while they attempt to find killers.

Racial profiling is just a hasty generalisation. There is little truth in it, since it is largely based on preconceived notions and assumptions based on racial stereotyping.

Describing a suspects racial background is just, one aspect of the description, not the whole of the description. Also people can make a lot of negative and hurtful assumptions towards a whole demographic based on an ill thought generalised remark.

MrAsh said on the 28th Dec, 2012

what exactly is a "queer" person?

I thought queer was an umbrella term that covered GLBTI people in one simple word. But lately I've been seeing queer added into to end of the alphabet soup.

Is there a new breed of purely queer people who don't fit in any of the GLBTI categories?

Yep!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

mark_

mark_ said on the 28th Dec, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO_g5Ocr4K0

dazdarlo

dazdarlo said on the 28th Dec, 2012

As a victim of this person who describes himself as "Italian" my post was intended to warn people of his activities until the police have been able to question him (hopefully leading to a conviction considering the number of people involved and the severity of his crimes that I am aware of). He is still active on a number of chat sites and I have had 2-3 messaged per day for the last 2 weeks thanking me for warning them. These people had felt uneasy about his advances and he was being persistent. I was initially going to only say "gay men". I wished I had and perhaps this may have prevented the comments regarding inclusion of the groups described by MrAsh+. I am dismayed and disappointed that a warning to our community has been hijacked by political correctness. If PC'ness is more important to MrAsh+ than the safety of people in our community (feel free to list all sub-categories if that makes you feel comfortable) I am deeply saddened by this. 'We' have spent decades empowering ourselves and fighting for our rights for equality and safety. How tragic, if this empowerment becomes crippled by those within, more interested in their own agendas than the larger picture.

MrAsh said on the 28th Dec, 2012

As a person who has been a victim of homophobic violence, sexual assault and robbery and assault. I am more than aware of the need to provide education to all people regardless of whether they are inclusive of GLBTIQ demographics of personal safety and protection.

Political correctness does not mean we lessen our values and make excuses for criminality. It means we communicate in a more realistic and fair manner without the need for stereotyping and stigmatising which GLBTIQ people know all about and does not break barriers or move society forward.

Using the right language can empower and prevent more harm, than using negative language which promotes fear and intolerance.

dazdarlo

dazdarlo said on the 28th Dec, 2012

Delightful contradiction - you would like us to refrain from describing someone's ethnicity (in this case described by the person involved) because you consider it negative language (promoting fear and intolerance) but would like 'us' to sub-categorise our community because this leads to empowerment?

No one, especially myself, in this thread has suggested that all Italians are evil criminals. Why you are using this out-dated argument to dilute the message of safety for our community is bewildering to me. I think you will note that the media has also turned around on this. Previously lambasted for describing suspects as "aboriginal, African/American etc" now uses these descriptions again. Why? Because it leads to solving crime, missing persons cases etc more quickly. Further, skirting around or avoiding descriptions of people is more suspicious of an under-current of intolerance than stating facts.

I am no longer to respond to your posts. Instead, I will ask the site moderators to remove it entirely and pass it to other forums where the message will not get hijacked to peddle personal agendas. I have JUST spoken to the police and detectives involved and the case is progressing rapidly. I'm sure samesame will be keen to publish news on the crime after it appears in mainstream media. Sadly, this was not their wish by getting me involved in this recent case.

My NYE message to all in our community - be strong, assertive, careful, and protective of yourself and rights and report any criminal activity against you to the police. Enjoy your NYE celebrations and have a wonderful 2013

MrAsh said on the 28th Dec, 2012

Delightful contradiction - you would like us to refrain from describing someone's ethnicity (in this case described by the person involved) because you consider it negative language (promoting fear and intolerance) but would like 'us' to sub-categorise our community because this leads to empowerment?

No one, especially myself, in this thread has suggested that all Italians are evil criminals. Why you are using this out-dated argument to dilute the message of safety for our community is bewildering to me. I think you will note that the media has also turned around on this. Previously lambasted for describing suspects as "aboriginal, African/American etc" now uses these descriptions again. Why? Because it leads to solving crime, missing persons cases etc more quickly. Further, skirting around or avoiding descriptions of people is more suspicious of an under-current of intolerance than stating facts.

I am no longer to respond to your posts. Instead, I will ask the site moderators to remove it entirely and pass it to other forums where the message will not get hijacked to peddle personal agendas. I have JUST spoken to the police and detectives involved and the case is progressing rapidly. I'm sure samesame will be keen to publish news on the crime after it appears in mainstream media. Sadly, this was not their wish by getting me involved in this recent case.

My NYE message to all in our community - be strong, assertive, careful, and protective of yourself and rights and report any criminal activity against you to the police. Enjoy your NYE celebrations and have a wonderful 2013

I never stated that the use of racial descriptions in describing suspects was unnecessary. What I stated was making throw away remarks such as 'this Italian guy' does nothing to help with finding the suspects and it's just racially profiling and as I stated it is up to the police to provide a description of suspects to the media, they are trained to provide a sound, culturally and racially sensitive description which doesn't generalise and provides better detail for the public to assist with their investigation.

crazzymikey

crazzymikey said on the 28th Dec, 2012

I guess the apps are still a lot safer than what people once did to get a root by going to beats

dougster

dougster said on the 28th Dec, 2012

Delightful contradiction - you would like us to refrain from describing someone's ethnicity (in this case described by the person involved) because you consider it negative language (promoting fear and intolerance) but would like 'us' to sub-categorise our community because this leads to empowerment?

No one, especially myself, in this thread has suggested that all Italians are evil criminals. Why you are using this out-dated argument to dilute the message of safety for our community is bewildering to me. I think you will note that the media has also turned around on this. Previously lambasted for describing suspects as "aboriginal, African/American etc" now uses these descriptions again. Why? Because it leads to solving crime, missing persons cases etc more quickly. Further, skirting around or avoiding descriptions of people is more suspicious of an under-current of intolerance than stating facts.

I am no longer to respond to your posts. Instead, I will ask the site moderators to remove it entirely and pass it to other forums where the message will not get hijacked to peddle personal agendas. I have JUST spoken to the police and detectives involved and the case is progressing rapidly. I'm sure samesame will be keen to publish news on the crime after it appears in mainstream media. Sadly, this was not their wish by getting me involved in this recent case.

My NYE message to all in our community - be strong, assertive, careful, and protective of yourself and rights and report any criminal activity against you to the police. Enjoy your NYE celebrations and have a wonderful 2013

u 2 dude. i think u rok, man

dazdarlo

dazdarlo said on the 28th Dec, 2012

Thank you dougster :)

JayTee

JayTee said on the 29th Dec, 2012

Yep!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

According to that Wikipedia entry, queer is an umbrella term.

Therefore the q in GLBTIQ stands for questioning , not queer. I prefer the term Confused to Questioning because ironically GLBTIC is less confusing than GLBTIQ.

JayTee

JayTee said on the 29th Dec, 2012

I've seen terms 'queer' and 'questioning' be used interchangeably in the 'alphabet soup'. Yet I do believe the term 'queer' is a more important inclusion in the 'alphabet soup' than 'questioning'.

I find the politics of the term 'queer' fascinating and it is progressive and also reflective of how people are now defining their lives.

http://thinkingaboutnow.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/alphabet-soup-labels-and-empowerment/

I think it makes people invisible.

It's like saying "I'm multicultural". Instead of saying "I'm Chinese/Urguayan descent".

This debate will most likely come to a head during the Sydney (no gay and lesbian) mardi GRAS community forums set for early next year. Good luck to anne Louise Lind. She's a lovely woman, but i don't envy her consultation job.

MrAsh said on the 29th Dec, 2012

According to that Wikipedia entry, queer is an umbrella term.

Therefore the q in GLBTIQ stands for questioning , not queer. I prefer the term Confused to Questioning because ironically GLBTIC is less confusing than GLBTIQ.

I've seen terms 'queer' and 'questioning' be used interchangeably for the meaning of 'Q' on the 'alphabet soup'. Yet I do believe the term 'queer' is a more important inclusion in the 'alphabet soup' than 'questioning'.

I find the politics of the term 'queer' fascinating and it is progressive and also reflective of how people are now defining their lives.

http://thinkingaboutnow.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/alphabet-soup-labels-and-empowerment/

JayTee

JayTee said on the 29th Dec, 2012

lol!

Computer malfunction!!

JayTee

JayTee said on the 29th Dec, 2012

Or i have time traveling abilities ;)

MrAsh said on the 29th Dec, 2012

I think it makes people invisible.

It's like saying "I'm multicultural". Instead of saying "I'm Chinese/Urguayan descent".

This debate will most likely come to a head during the Sydney (no gay and lesbian) mardi GRAS community forums set for early next year. Good luck to anne Louise kind. She's a lovely woman, but i don't envy her consultation job.

I see what you mean, yet I still find the politics of queer interesting.

JayTee

JayTee said on the 29th Dec, 2012

I don't see it that way at all.

I think GLBT people know who they are, and it's got nothing to who heterosexuals are.

But queers just like beng anti, they like to protest for the sake of protesting, not because they believe in the actual cause.

Like the same sex marriage queer protestors. 10 years ago they wouldn't of even been interested in the issue, but because it's a hot button issue (and both major parties are against it), they are all over it like a one legged blind multicultural lesbian refugee covered in honey.

Once same sex marriage gets achieved, they'll move not something else that completely contradicts their position on same sex marriage.

MrAsh said on the 29th Dec, 2012

I don't see it that way at all.

I think GLBT people know who they are, and it's got nothing to who heterosexuals are.

But queers just like beng anti, they like to protest for the sake of protesting, not because they believe in the actual cause.

Like the same sex marriage queer protestors. 10 years ago they wouldn't of even been interested in the issue, but because it's a hot button issue (and both major parties are against it), they are all over it like a one legged blind multicultural lesbian refugee covered in honey.

Once same sex marriage gets achieved, they'll move not something else that completely contradicts their position on same sex marriage.

Even though I find queer politics interesting, you do have a valid point. A lot of queer activism and many queers themselves are behind causes for trendy and self serving reasons and not actually due to belief in the cause itself.

At the same time many LGBT people are also behind causes for trendy reasons and I will use both Ruby Rose and Kate Monroe as examples. They are both high profile lesbians and both take on the martyr for the cause roles with GLBTIQ organisations and causes, yet I've never actually read an interview or have heard them say anything which I feel they have really thought about or believe with real conviction. With them it's just trendy words and self serving lifestyle choices and I'm sure they'll change their political stances and lifestyles when it doesn't suit them.

[URL="http://www.fridae.asia/newsfeatures/2006/10/18/1723.dj-kate-monroe-has-a-new-man-in-the-house?n=aut"]http://www.fridae.asia/newsfeatures/2006/10/18/1723.dj-kate-monroe-has-a-new-man-in-the-house?n=aut

JayTee

JayTee said on the 29th Dec, 2012

Perhaps the GLBT community is different to the LGBT community. ;)

MrAsh said on the 29th Dec, 2012

I suppose it might be different also to the BGLT or TLGT or TBGL or BTGL or BLGT or BLTG or BGTL as well! ;)

Marko

Marko said on the 29th Dec, 2012

Take out the G and well you're left with lunch.....BLT anyone? ;]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/wlittle1686/Food%20images/blt.jpg

MrAsh said on the 29th Dec, 2012

Take out the G and well you're left with lunch.....BLT anyone? ;]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/wlittle1686/Food%20images/blt.jpg

Sure, I don't mind a BLT! ;)

Tigerland

Tigerland said on the 30th Dec, 2012

Well it looks like Melbourne's Herald-Sun are still using racial profiling.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/two-teenagers-stabbed-in-gang-attacks-in-melbournes-west/story-e6frf7kx-1226545234194

JayTee

JayTee said on the 30th Dec, 2012

That's not racial profiling. That's simply using the description by witnesses to describe the "persons of interest".

Racial profiling would be if the police drove past a group of Asian/Arab/aboriginal men and decided they should stop and question them in case they MIGHT'VE committed an offense.

Ie. From Wikipedia:

"Racial profiling is the use of an individual’s race or ethnicity by law enforcement personnel as a key factor in deciding whether to engage in enforcement (e.g. make a traffic stop or arrest)".

In the case pointed to in e previous posts, the offenses had already been committed and witnesses had described the offenders. Police then used that description (including racial features) as a basis for further investigations.

In any case, it's more about what one wears than ones race that makes the difference of whether police view you suspiciously.

An immaculately dressed indigenous man in a suit is less much likely to be stopped by police than a tattooed unshaven white man in trackie dacks and thongs.

Tigerland

Tigerland said on the 30th Dec, 2012

Well whatever it is I hope the Cops get this trash off the street pronto! :mad:

MrAsh said on the 30th Dec, 2012

Well it looks like Melbourne's Herald-Sun are still using racial profiling.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/two-teenagers-stabbed-in-gang-attacks-in-melbournes-west/story-e6frf7kx-1226545234194

JayTee is correct, that isn't racial profiling and it's a good example of how the police provide racial descriptions of suspects in a culturally sensitive and non-predjudice manner.

That's not racial profiling. That's simply using the description by witnesses to describe the "persons of interest".

Racial profiling would be if the police drove past a group of Asian/Arab/aboriginal men and decided they should stop and question them in case they MIGHT'VE committed an offense.

Ie. From Wikipedia:

"Racial profiling is the use of an individual’s race or ethnicity by law enforcement personnel as a key factor in deciding whether to engage in enforcement (e.g. make a traffic stop or arrest)".

In the case pointed to in e previous posts, the offenses had already been committed and witnesses had described the offenders. Police then used that description (including racial features) as a basis for further investigations.

In any case, it's more about what one wears than ones race that makes the difference of whether police view you suspiciously.

An immaculately dressed indigenous man in a suit is less much likely to be stopped by police than a tattooed unshaven white man in trackie dacks and thongs.

Here is a link to the Flemington & Kensington Community Legal Centre (Victoria) website page on Racial profiling.

http://www.communitylaw.org.au/flemingtonkensington/cb_pages/racialprofiling.php

dazdarlo

dazdarlo said on the 30th Dec, 2012

one legged blind multicultural lesbian refugee covered in honey - absolute GOLD JayTee -

Brad_Woodford

Brad_Woodford said on the 30th Dec, 2012

This idea of racial profiling being wrong really shits me sometimes. Lets be frank. In Australia we are blessed to have probably one of the fairest, most professional and effective police forces in the world, regardless of what state you live in. In Australia, we have the luxury of pretty much knowing that unless we have something to hide, we dont really have anything to worry about.

We do however, also live in a multicultural society, where many different ethnic groups live for the most part, harmoniously together. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the police or authorities issuing decriptions of "persons of interest" when it comes to getting offenders off the street. The public needs to know this stuff so that they can know when they might know something or may have seen something.

Prime example. At the moment in Melbourne, we have a sex offender who is sexually assaulting women as they get off trams in the Eastern Suburbs. This man is still out on the streets. The police have publicly stated they are looking for a man of asian appearance who is described as being in his mid to late 20s, of an athletic build.

Could you imagine how far the police would get with their investigations if they took the politically correct route of not giving a description of the guys race? By giving the description they have, tram users can instantly put two and two together if they should come across a guy who looks like he might be up to something on the tram. It might be just the heads up that gets this pig off the streets.

The plain fact is, when looking for offenders, giving a racial profile of a suspect, greatly assists the public in reporting observations, simply by eliminating other races which are of no interest in that specific investigation.

dazdarlo

dazdarlo said on the 31st Dec, 2012

Thanks Brad. My point exactly. Common sense, respectful descriptions of people is stating fact, not discrimination

MrAsh said on the 31st Dec, 2012

This is a good example of what racial profiling is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRfjLfyXYlA

MrAsh said on the 31st Dec, 2012

This idea of racial profiling being wrong really shits me sometimes. Lets be frank. In Australia we are blessed to have probably one of the fairest, most professional and effective police forces in the world, regardless of what state you live in. In Australia, we have the luxury of pretty much knowing that unless we have something to hide, we dont really have anything to worry about.

We do however, also live in a multicultural society, where many different ethnic groups live for the most part, harmoniously together. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the police or authorities issuing decriptions of "persons of interest" when it comes to getting offenders off the street. The public needs to know this stuff so that they can know when they might know something or may have seen something.

Prime example. At the moment in Melbourne, we have a sex offender who is sexually assaulting women as they get off trams in the Eastern Suburbs. This man is still out on the streets. The police have publicly stated they are looking for a man of asian appearance who is described as being in his mid to late 20s, of an athletic build.

Could you imagine how far the police would get with their investigations if they took the politically correct route of not giving a description of the guys race? By giving the description they have, tram users can instantly put two and two together if they should come across a guy who looks like he might be up to something on the tram. It might be just the heads up that gets this pig off the streets.

The plain fact is, when looking for offenders, giving a racial profile of a suspect, greatly assists the public in reporting observations, simply by eliminating other races which are of no interest in that specific investigation.

Brad it would be good if you understood what racial profiling is before commenting on it. Your comment is clearly mis-informed and has clear undertones of racial bigotry.

When it comes to racial profiling it does not mean the police do not give a racial description when releasing information on a suspect. When they do give a description it's about the suspect as an individual and it is done in a culturally sensitive manner as to not stereotype or provoke the public to make sweeping generalisations on entire demographics of people.

Here is more information on racial profiling.

http://www.communitylaw.org.au/flemingtonkensington/cb_pages/racialprofiling.php

Brad_Woodford

Brad_Woodford said on the 31st Dec, 2012

LOL!! Oh MrAsh you silly man. I could post all the things I love about a particular race, and you would still find undertones of bigotry in my comments.

Intact, you almost seemed obsessed with your misconception of me being racist.

mark_

mark_ said on the 31st Dec, 2012

^
He doesn't want people thinking nasty thoughts about those poor criminals because they came from 'disadvantaged' places or 'broken homes' and they haven't yet been given the opportunity to redeem themselves.

And also, we shouldn't be nasty to those red and yellow and black people because–

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTViRzfyla0

JayTee

JayTee said on the 31st Dec, 2012

It's interesting that so many people think that race is a large factor in crime stats.

in reality it's socio-economic status (ie. whether you wear a business suit or trackie dacks and thongs) and AGE that are the biggest factors in crime rates

http://chs.revues.org/docannexe/image/825/img-3-small480.jpg

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2010002/article/11292/c-g/c-g14-eng.gif

mark_

mark_ said on the 1st Jan, 2013

It's interesting that so many people think that race is a large factor in crime stats.

The NSW stats aren't helped by this academic sitting comfortably in his armchair in his university 'Ivory tower' insisting that a thick grey veil of idealogy be drawn across the unpleasant facts.

The police in Victoria who deal with criminals day and night are permitted to speak the truth.

http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=6730

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/18/donweatherburn_narrowweb__300x437,0.jpg

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MrAsh said on the 1st Jan, 2013

LOL!! Oh MrAsh you silly man. I could post all the things I love about a particular race, and you would still find undertones of bigotry in my comments.

Intact, you almost seemed obsessed with your misconception of me being racist.

There is no misconception Brad. You are a classic 'I'm not racist but…'

ernesto_1

ernesto_1 said on the 1st Jan, 2013

Brad is sooo not racist tho he did resist my charms and allure

trina2004

trina2004 said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

I don't think you're a racist brad but its pretty clear that you don't/didn't know what racial profiling is.

Brad_Woodford

Brad_Woodford said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

LOL. You are actually very attractive Ernest. Your only issue is that you are always a bitch to me. :-P

JayTee

JayTee said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

Always a bitch to you?

There are two unnecessary words in your last sentence ;)

Brad_Woodford

Brad_Woodford said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

I know what racial profiling is. And I don't entirely have an issue with police engaging in it if their is a justification for it. For example, lets look at a suburb like Flemington in Melbourne. There is a significant crime wave in play here being carried out by a sector of the African population in these area. Most of them are recent arrivals to Australia via the refugee program, and most of them are in this area because they are being accomodated in government housing. The police, local residents and even Blind Freddy will tell you that there is a significant crime problem with African born males being over-represented in arrest statistics.

With that in mind, is it really a big problem if the local police then pay more intense attention towards residents who fall within that demographic? They are there to protect the community, and if it means they need to "question" a few people of African origin to ensure that they are minimising crime, then I don't have an issue with it. As I said earlier. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

azulmelb

azulmelb said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

Do you have proof that the crime in Flemington is actually committed more by Africans than any other racial group? Could you provide the information to back-up that statement?

I think what you are suggesting here is actually against the Equal Opportunity Act 2010.

http://www.humanrightscommission.vic.gov.au/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=1123&Itemid=569
http://www.humanrightscommission.vic.gov.au/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1448:equal-opportunity-act-2010-quick-guide&Itemid=687

http://www.humanrightscommission.vic.gov.au/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&task=download&id=744&Itemid=687

MrAsh said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

I know what racial profiling is. And I don't entirely have an issue with police engaging in it if their is a justification for it. For example, lets look at a suburb like Flemington in Melbourne. There is a significant crime wave in play here being carried out by a sector of the African population in these area. Most of them are recent arrivals to Australia via the refugee program, and most of them are in this area because they are being accomodated in government housing. The police, local residents and even Blind Freddy will tell you that there is a significant crime problem with African born males being over-represented in arrest statistics.

With that in mind, is it really a big problem if the local police then pay more intense attention towards residents who fall within that demographic? They are there to protect the community, and if it means they need to "question" a few people of African origin to ensure that they are minimising crime, then I don't have an issue with it. As I said earlier. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

Well at least after reading the links I posted, you now somewhat understand about what racial profiling is.

Yet it is a shame you don't understand the ramifications of racial profiling and the impact it has on innocent people 'who have nothing to worry about'.

Once again your comment shows racial bigotry.

Brad_Woodford

Brad_Woodford said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

Well at least after reading the links I posted, you now somewhat understand about what racial profiling is.

Yet it is a shame you don't understand the ramifications of racial profiling and the impact it has on innocent people 'who have nothing to worry about'.

Once again your comment shows racial bigotry.

LOL! But if you have nothing to worry about, just answer any questions they ask. Do you not think police in Bali racially profile Aussie tourists because they might be carrying drugs? It happens in every country in the world. I guarantee it.

azulmelb

azulmelb said on the 2nd Jan, 2013

I wouldn't know what the laws in Indonesia is like but in Australia, according to the [URL="http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubLawToday.nsf/95c43dd4eac71a68ca256dde00056e7b/5c0e606e76b324c7ca25796d0014de79!OpenDocument"]Equal Opportunity Act 2010, racial profiling is AGAINST the law, Brad.

mark_

mark_ said on the 3rd Jan, 2013

They're out to get you, Brad!
http://www.thestagedoor.uk.com/Deluxe-Cowboy-Costume-Fits-Child-3-5-Years_600_RZR7.jpg

azulmelb

azulmelb said on the 15th Jan, 2013

Just came across this today...not my intention to bring back an old topic.

But here's some statistics on the issue of racial profiling in NYC...

http://colorlines.com/archival_images/07.gif